Committing suicide...

[cannarelief]

The thing about suicide that many people do not "get" -that causes a lot of problems or emotional responses (especially when suggesting the people are cowards/selfish etc etc) is that many people who feel that way are expecting rational decision making from people who have impaired or non existent RATIONAL though patterns due to mental illness/various medications and a raft of other causes.Don't expect specific behavior from someone that is not capable of doing so at the time. This covers a lot of suicidal people but not all of course-it is a complex issue.

 

[SOTF420]

I felt suicidal once when I was really down & out and I promptly smacked the shit out of myself. If you ever feel this way, do make sure to proceed to smack the shit out of yourself for even considering it. Life is too damn precious to take from yourself when you have spent so long struggling to live it and protect it. Don't forget those who don't have the option and wish they did like those out there right now dying of terrible cancers and various diseases. Your life and your health are the most important things you have period end of story and there is simply no excuse for suicide and no justifications. There are always options so think positive and stay well brothers & sisters. Cannabis helps!

 

[Kikeritz]

My dad told me what happened to his friend maybe 30 years ago:
He had stopped car on roadside, went out, moved few metres and then he heard huge noise behind him. It was truck which hit his car, killing his two children and wife. Two days later he commited suicide. I think in such situation I would do the same thing: all your life just dissapears and you remain alone... Wouldn't you just kill youself?

 

[stony2]

Maybe its egoistic to not suicide. Cause every human of our western society fucks this planet so much...

i like this guy

 

[paladin420]

Here is one. If Women hav the right to choose,at birth. Why do we not hav the right to choose at death. Or Kevorkian vs Hospice maybe that is more PC

 

[one Q]

I dont believe that suicide is egotistic. I feel like one should be happy to live life. If youre not happy to be alive then why live? Some/most people that are very unhappy make the people around them miserable anyway. Then suicide is a better option.

As for young people doing it. I dont really know. I know I thought about it when I was a kid/teen. If a person is so sad and doenst enjoy life, no matter the age, hit the reset button.

That's my opinion and I DO have a kid and have been with my wife longer than most of you have been growing.

 

[aggregatebuzz]

I think to live or die with a sad spirit is worst than to choose your death,if you have no regret in your action than despair is not to be endured or manipulated,unless you live for others,than as written let the dead bury the dead,life is for the living

 

[Strainhunter]

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Wouldn't you just kill youself?

I just lost my son earlier this year.

He died in one of the most tragic and painful ways someone can possibly die.

I did not even remotely think to kill myself over that and that's not because of wanting to be a "hardass" but because life MUST go on!
And it does. At least when given a choice it does.

 

[one Q]

This thread has been on my mind a lot since my last post.

what about people that have seemingly normal, happy lives? From the outside they look like regular Joe with a family and all. Some people dont really have a reason to be unhappy. They have nice "things" and loved ones and hobbies.

I read some of these posts and I get chills. Especially this...

...SNIP...
Antidepressants completely fix my life. When I take them, I get a high paying job, I love my wife and family, I don't do any drugs (not even weed) and I'm motivated 100% of the time. When I get off, I quit working, I tell my family to leave me alone, I chain smoke weed and cigs and take many other drugs, and I quite frankly couldn't care less whether I go broke, homeless, die or become a burden to myself or society.

This has me thinking a LOT.

Peace.

 

[guest86120975]

I am very sorry about your son I have a friend who died the other day, turns out to most likely be a suicide. I feel your pain, bro

 

[longearedfriend]

My dad told me what happened to his friend maybe 30 years ago:
He had stopped car on roadside, went out, moved few metres and then he heard huge noise behind him. It was truck which hit his car, killing his two children and wife. Two days later he commited suicide. I think in such situation I would do the same thing: all your life just dissapears and you remain alone... Wouldn't you just kill youself?

hmmmm
maybe it was a test for him
I believe we might come on earth to learn stuff..
every bad shit/problem/negative situation can be seen as a chance to grow and learn.. i'd say though, that what he had to go through.. very hard.. but maybe something really nice would have happened to him after ?


Originally Posted by !!!
...SNIP...
Antidepressants completely fix my life. When I take them, I get a high paying job, I love my wife and family, I don't do any drugs (not even weed) and I'm motivated 100% of the time. When I get off, I quit working, I tell my family to leave me alone, I chain smoke weed and cigs and take many other drugs, and I quite frankly couldn't care less whether I go broke, homeless, die or become a burden to myself or society.

Anti-depressants do have some side-effects to them... impotence, weight gain among other things, I am curious what kind of side effects you had/have !!!

I know they usually make you try different kinds for a different amount of time, in different doses before they can find something that is manageable and effective.

 

[mad librettist]

listen to someone who is type 1 bipolar:

when I am sick, I can become suicidal. it has nothing to do with ego, or selfishness, or any other personal failing. I am quite simply sick, and need treatment.

the responsibility part comes when I am not sick. to be a responsible member of society who does not off himself and leave behind a mess, I need to stay on my meds and also stick to a very strict schedule that includes starting work before dawn most of the year.

Sometimes though, things can happen that overcome all the defenses I have built up, and the only safe place for me to be is the hospital. In the hospital the first thing they do is take away your shoes (laces), belt, etc... and you are safe.



If someone you know is talking about death and suicide, don't try to talk them out of it. Just call 9-1-1 and keep them busy 'til the ambulance comes.

 

[Bob-Hope]

Suicide ruined my life, my ex wife's life,our children's life, my mother in laws life,my wife,s brother life,and his marriage as well.

All because my wife,s farther at the age of 64 started to suffer from schizophrenia,

never had any mental illness in his life,he kept this quite for about 2 mths,

During this time the lads at work took the piss a bit,what you going to do when you retire mate, 65 nothing to do you'll be bored sick.

the day before he retired he went to work as normal,after his 8.30Am brake had finished, he got on a bus,left his car at work, went home and hung himself in the kitchen below a picture of his family,

Now as a family we never new what was said on that brake time, but we suspect he was given at little piss taking and enough was enough.

Now this man had served his country well, was married for 40+ years,he was the proud farther of 2 children, lived in a nice house mortgage free, car was paid for, holiday home paid for, no debts,and surrounded by people who loved him,and respected him,especially his grand children.

So why does somebody who seems to have it all hang himself in his own house, where he knows the people who love him most will find him.

It must be because he,s a right selfish bastard who didn't give a fuck about any body else but himself right?

Didn't care about the mess he would leave behind,

Didn't give a shit about what it would do to his daughter, and her marriage ,and her kids,

Didn't give a shit about his wife whom he had been married to for 40+years

Didn't give a shit about his son and his marriage.

I mean how selfish can you get right............ Wrong

He was ill

So ill, in fact he couldn't even think straight,he couldn't even talk to his wife for 40 yrs,or his brothers, his daughter,son,no one.

He felt trapped in a mind that was not his own,and the only peace he could find was at the end of a rope.

To those people who think its a sign of weakness/selfishness maybe you should try it.

But to the people who have seen it first hand ,

It takes a very brave human being to take there own life, and the pain and trauma that is left behind for those alive is insignificant, to the person who is going to kill themselves.

Just remember there ill and unable to ask for help, as some one in sound body and mind its up to you as an individual to spot the signs and help them, and if you dont or you leave it to late you might not like what you find when you come home from work one night.

Like i said suicide ruined my life but im not going to kill myself because im not ill.

thanks

Bob.....

 

[Strainhunter]

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So why does somebody who seems to have it all hang himself in his own house, where he knows the people who love him most will find him.

It must be because he,s a right selfish bastard who didn't give a fuck about any body else but himself right?

Didn't care about the mess he would leave behind,

Didn't give a shit about what it would do to his daughter, and her marriage ,and her kids,

Didn't give a shit about his wife whom he had been married to for 40+years

Didn't give a shit about his son and his marriage.

I mean how selfish can you get right............ Wrong

He was ill

So ill, in fact he couldn't even think straight,he couldn't even talk to his wife for 40 yrs,or his brothers, his daughter,son,no one.

He felt trapped in a mind that was not his own,and the only peace he could find was at the end of a rope.

To those people who think its a sign of weakness/selfishness maybe you should try it.

But to the people who have seen it first hand ,

It takes a very brave human being to take there own life, and the pain and trauma that is left behind for those alive is insignificant, to the person who is going to kill themselves.

Just remember there ill and unable to ask for help, as some one in sound body and mind its up to you as an individual to spot the signs and help them, and if you dont or you leave it to late you might not like what you find when you come home from work one night.

Like i said suicide ruined my life but im not going to kill myself because im not ill.

thanks

Bob.....

Good post man! Way to handle that mess! Keep your head up!

 

[outinit]

I wonder about this myself......I think if a pedophile commits suicide, rather than molest, maybe it is a noble thing?? I think that people that are suffering emotionally or physically, and it becomes too much to bear, should be able to make that decision. pain is a funny thing, and it can remind you that you are still alive, or make you pray for death. The pain of those left behind is terrible to imagine, but the suffering the person endures, that brings them to that choice, must be unbearable. It is a tough question, and I guess there are no easy answers.

 

[supermanlives]

survival of the fittest. end of story. we are overpopulated anyhow

 

[supermanlives]

i have been notified i am insensitive . yeah probably right. there was alot of times in my life i could of taken the easy way out but obviously didnt. it made me a stronger person. it also probably made me insensitive.but i am still here

 

[longearedfriend]

bob-hope, I totally agree with your post,

I just have one question though.. and I hope you dont mind me asking..

how exactly did your wifes dads suicide ruin... your life, your ex wife's life, your children's life, your mother in laws life,your wife,s brother life,and his marriage as well.

I have heard often of people having a hard time accepting a close ones suicide....

but I have never heard someone say... that it ruined their life... and not a suicide ruining 5-6 plus lives...

could you please elaborate...

by definition - to ruin - ruined

To harm irreparably.


I hope you dont get upset for asking
maybe you could tell me your own definition

I can elaborte reasons... why it could have damaged all of your lives...
but to say ruined... not being able to salvage it

I think... that... you have the power to let something or not ruin your life. Maybe on the moment, things will be chaotic, but there is help out there, a lot of people have been there, who have had relatives and close ones that have killed themselves.
its never to late to start picking up the pieces...

I hope you undertsand where im coming from
and like you know, I am asking questions to better understand
I also know how a close ones suicide can affect people, so I am not minimizing the situation would just like to understand better what you posted and went\are going through

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[Bob-Hope]

@ Longearedfriend.

i believe it to be a culmination of things, the lack of help and services that are available to the families of suicide.

the medication that is prescribed to those left behind.

the inability of society as a whole to help or understand.

the fact that guilt is an all consuming emotion that never goes away.

the helplessness you feel when everyone around you is losing there marbles and theres only so much you can do.

the fact you girlfriend of 6yrs /wife for 5yrs suddenly becomes a piss head and starts shop lifting.

your children go hungry whilst your at work because grandmas fucked up on the meds the doc gave her.

a year to the day you find your wife in the cellar with the flex of a power drill trying to recreate the felling of being scared,that her farther must have felt whilst tears are rolling down her face as she says she,s so sorry and lets go.

fuck me the list goes on and on and on.

but in the end you have to think about your kids, your self, and in the end i got out and 9mths later my children followed.

like the person that kills themselves and the people left behind for some there seems to be no hope,and that saddens me to tears as i believe death is the rawest of emotions and truly very difficult to deal with in an honest an adult manner.

the ruined side comes from after 5 yrs neither mine nor my wifes brothers marriage were reparable,and both had been solid but like myself,my sister inlaw got out as well taking the children witth her ,and her parting sot was it just got to hard day in day out,and i had to agree it got boring in the end watching a whole family,s inabillaty to move on with no help.

and thats the saddest thing, with long term help we might all of made it together, instead of trying on our own.

Bob

 

[dddaver]

I haven't read this yet. I will. I need to be thoroughly wasted. Touchy subject.

Personally, I think suicide is about the most selfish thing a person can do. You think non-violent? Bullshit. VERY VIOLENT on the ones left behind. Dying is easy, living is hard.

Over five years ago my wife left behind her 18 year old daughter who now has to live with that shit/guilt the rest of her life. They had fought right before. I'll never forgive the bitch.

She had Lupus (pain), was Asian (more accepted). Lot of reasons, not enough though, never enough. I still get upset.