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Senzu_Seedz

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Would you ask these same questions about capitalism and realize the farce of your "choices"? We don't live in a free market, because one never existed. Your tax dollars and mine fund the maintenance of a global trade network, do you even know the history of insurance agencies? Piracy? Profiteering?

Why invent the fabrication of a "free market"?

You keep shoehorning this shit in like a cultist.
There are no free markets. Just like there is no "crony" capitalism.

The moment people were stripped of the means to provide for themselves via the environment (enclosure) we had been huddled into productive social arrangements that rendered humans like cattle. That's why modern Americans resemble house trained fat pigs. Your consumptive habits are decided before you were born, by people you never met.
 
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Senzu_Seedz

Member
This is like asking if a fully formed adult has the opportunity to behave like a retard, by choice.

Uhm, can I like, not contribute and shit in the water supply?


If you want to wind up tied to a stone and tossed off a cliff, sure.


Most people's individual freedoms come at the expense of others. You can burn down countrysides due to negligence, I guess the people trying to opt out of socialism and public coercion should not be members of society and fuck off. You won't fight climate disasters with individualist cultist retardation.
 

Captain Red Eye

Well-known member
Would you ask these same questions about capitalism and realize the farce of your "choices"? We don't live in a free market, because one never existed. Your tax dollars and mine fund the maintenance of a global trade network, do you even know the history of insurance agencies? Piracy? Profiteering?

Why invent the fabrication of a "free market"?

You keep shoehorning this shit in like a cultist.
There are no free markets. Just like there is no "crony" capitalism.

The moment people were stripped of the means to provide for themselves via the environment (enclosure) we had been huddled into productive social arrangements that rendered humans like cattle. That's why modern Americans resemble house trained fat pigs. Your consumptive habits are decided before you were born, by people you never met.


Yes, I have asked crony capitalists the same questions I've asked you.
They waffled on giving direct answers to simple questions too. I think the answer you avoided, despite me asking politely twice, is obvious, your preferred system does not "allow" an opt out. Please correct me if I'm wrong. So, again, I will ask you, does your socialism / communism allow disinterested but otherwise peaceful people to remain out of your ideas?

I'm aware free markets are discouraged, disallowed and mostly outright illegal. That doesn't mean they haven't or shouldn't exist though. I base that on my belief voluntary human interactions are better than involuntary ones. That's a simplification for a moral / philosophical position rather than political position I've chosen for myself.

Also, there's no need to be so prickly. I'm fine with you and your friends being socialists or commies. My objection is, if / when other people can't politely opt out of your idea. I think that's wrong if they can't. It makes me wonder if you didn't answer my question about that, because you know it's wrong too, but haven't really considered it.

I don't know the history of insurance agencies entirely, but I know there's a good amount of cronyism involved. That's an aspect of a coercion based monopolistic government. Coercive monopolies always seem to have some cronyism in the mix.

I didn't invent the "fabrication of a free market". It's an actual concept and has merit. It's simply when individuals make voluntary exchanges of their justly acquired property, or exchanges of their time and/or labor with another individual(s) and nobody involved was coerced or under duress from other people or governmental policy etc.
I keep advocating for free markets, because I respect your right to have freedom of choice and I like my choices respected too. I'm sorry you think respecting those things is "cultist". That strikes me as odd and petty, almost like you're ashamed to admit your ideas don't honor those things and operate using a more coercion-based means.


Humans like cattle?

I get that point and actually did something about it.
For several years I lived off the grid and raised much of my own food, from the environment, wasn't easy and involved my labor. I also traded certain products to acquire the funds for things I couldn't grow. One of the reasons I did that was because I like to make decisions for myself and liked the independence of living that way. Also, I agree many persons consumptive choices aren't wholly their own, but many of mine were and still are. Also, I'm not a fat pig and don't respond well to people trying to train or indoctrinate me or slyly attempt to insult me.

My consumptive habits are different from many people, by my own choices, but I agree with you most people tend to be herded and I wish that weren't the case. That's why I've asked you 3 times if inclusion in your ideas has an opt out. Maybe you will answer me this time?
 

Hiddenjems

Well-known member
Yes, I have asked crony capitalists the same questions I've asked you.
They waffled on giving direct answers to simple questions too. I think the answer you avoided, despite me asking politely twice, is obvious, your preferred system does not "allow" an opt out. Please correct me if I'm wrong. So, again, I will ask you, does your socialism / communism allow disinterested but otherwise peaceful people to remain out of your ideas?

I'm aware free markets are discouraged, disallowed and mostly outright illegal. That doesn't mean they haven't or shouldn't exist though. I base that on my belief voluntary human interactions are better than involuntary ones. That's a simplification for a moral / philosophical position rather than political position I've chosen for myself.

Also, there's no need to be so prickly. I'm fine with you and your friends being socialists or commies. My objection is, if / when other people can't politely opt out of your idea. I think that's wrong if they can't. It makes me wonder if you didn't answer my question about that, because you know it's wrong too, but haven't really considered it.

I don't know the history of insurance agencies entirely, but I know there's a good amount of cronyism involved. That's an aspect of a coercion based monopolistic government. Coercive monopolies always seem to have some cronyism in the mix.

I didn't invent the "fabrication of a free market". It's an actual concept and has merit. It's simply when individuals make voluntary exchanges of their justly acquired property, or exchanges of their time and/or labor with another individual(s) and nobody involved was coerced or under duress from other people or governmental policy etc.
I keep advocating for free markets, because I respect your right to have freedom of choice and I like my choices respected too. I'm sorry you think respecting those things is "cultist". That strikes me as odd and petty, almost like you're ashamed to admit your ideas don't honor those things and operate using a more coercion-based means.


Humans like cattle?

I get that point and actually did something about it.
For several years I lived off the grid and raised much of my own food, from the environment, wasn't easy and involved my labor. I also traded certain products to acquire the funds for things I couldn't grow. One of the reasons I did that was because I like to make decisions for myself and liked the independence of living that way. Also, I agree many persons consumptive choices aren't wholly their own, but many of mine were and still are. Also, I'm not a fat pig and don't respond well to people trying to train or indoctrinate me or slyly attempt to insult me.

My consumptive habits are different from many people, by my own choices, but I agree with you most people tend to be herded and I wish that weren't the case. That's why I've asked you 3 times if inclusion in your ideas has an opt out. Maybe you will answer me this time?
If your country socializes in a revolution your opt out is they kill you and take your stuff.
 

Captain Red Eye

Well-known member
If your country socializes in a revolution your opt out is they kill you and take your stuff.

That seems to be something you and I know, but the socialists / commies are very reluctant to admit or even address when questioned.

Odd too, since they love to rightfully bitch about crony capitalism and the bad shit that happens there.
It's almost like they've been trained to think in false dichotomy mode. It's either what exists today, or their Commie utopia. no other alternatives can possibly exist. :rolleyes:

Of course. there are other possibilities that are better than wrestling for total control over everyone.
 

Captain Red Eye

Well-known member
the voluntarist guy destroys every thread he starts posting in. just ignore him.

I think it would be more honest if you had said the voluntaryist guy destroys every self-contradicting argument you lamely attempted to make. You even tried to advance two opposing ideas at once. Lame.

I have a bias for respecting others rights, you have a bias for disrespecting them. Don't blame me for your own flaws. You can ignore me, but you know I'm right, your ideas don't honor individual consent, they violate it.

If you could refute what I've said you would, except you didn't you ran away and now tell this new Commie(?) to ignore me. No doubt he / she will.

I've already asked a simple question and got a snarky nonresponsive reply. You guys hate it when your alleged moral high ground is so easily exposed.
 

Senzu_Seedz

Member
Apparently individual freedom to opt out of your ideas, is not an option?

How does forcibly including everyone in your idea not come at the expense of those who peacefully decline your idea?
your belief system is for mentally ill people who cannot fathom being told what to do.


You'd get the gulag in my system no doubt you'd shut the fuck up about opting out after a week and suck up doing your end of the social contract.

I wouldn't waste time with some fence-sitting liberalism to form an ideology.
 

shiva82

Well-known member
your belief system is for mentally ill people who cannot fathom being told what to do.


You'd get the gulag in my system no doubt you'd shut the fuck up about opting out after a week and suck up doing your end of the social contract.

I wouldn't waste time with some fence-sitting liberalism to form an ideology.
why have you made another account ? just use your other one
 

Senzu_Seedz

Member
why have you made another account ? just use your other one
I don't have access to that or any of the accounts anymore. Hard drive failed. Literally lost access to my Instagram, my x account and a bunch of other stuff. Good riddance 👍.
Is it any of you business? Ffs you people are cops in training, Fed-brained idiots. I'm surprised you guys managed to grow weed in the prohibition era, if you think operating on the black market is "free" you literally get robbed constantly. Bad seeds, bad flower, bad distillate. Your products are repurposed and resold, there's no real "intellectual property". The main people trying to institute this trend into the cannabis legal structure are profit driven psychopaths who want to "own" these genetics the way Monsanto does, It's a lose lose system your being indoctrinated into.
 
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Captain Red Eye

Well-known member
your belief system is for mentally ill people who cannot fathom being told what to do.


You'd get the gulag in my system no doubt you'd shut the fuck up about opting out after a week and suck up doing your end of the social contract.

I wouldn't waste time with some fence-sitting liberalism to form an ideology.

Your ideas are so good you have to kill people if they don't accept them., even if they are otherwise disinterested and peaceful. You should ponder that.

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Hiddenjems

Well-known member
This guy is soecial. Like you try explaining societies don't form based on volunteerism, these people have zero historical understanding, not even how this country was formed ffs
So what happens in a socialist revolution to people that don’t want to socialize their property?
 

shiva82

Well-known member
many of you are fake communists. what we deem as champagne socialists .

you have shua posting under another handle , the capitalist , wannabe seed vendor , life of luxury , uptown part of nyc , dictating to the general public, how they should conduct themselves

go take your face for a shit josh
 

Hiddenjems

Well-known member
many of you are fake communists. what we deem as champagne socialists .

you have shua posting under another handle , the capitalist , wannabe seed vendor , life of luxury , uptown part of nyc , dictating to the general public, how they should conduct themselves

go take your face for a shit josh
The contempt for regular folks just pours off of these people in waves.
 

Captain Red Eye

Well-known member
This guy is soecial. Like you try explaining societies don't form based on volunteerism, these people have zero historical understanding, not even how this country was formed ffs

Speaking of understanding. You used the word "volunteerism" as a perjorative. Except you used the wrong word. My philosophy is Voluntaryism. I know both words start with the letter "v" and people sometimes make innocent mistakes, when they don't understand some things.

Society and government are two different things. One thing they have in common is, any society or government which features removal of consent of peaceful people will have unintended consequences.

I hope you have a good day and don't force your ideas on any innocent people today!

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nepalnt21

FRRRRRResh!
Veteran
Your products are repurposed and resold, there's no real "intellectual property". The main people trying to institute this trend into the cannabis legal structure are profit driven psychopaths who want to "own" these genetics the way Monsanto does, It's a lose lose system your being indoctrinated into.
some ppl here recognize various extents of the problem... but not everyone is into serious legalization (like a tomato or like a tobacco plant where commerce aside, i can grow tons of it... no regulation, period.), i think the people that are against real legalization are only in it for the money and not the love for weed.
 

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