Senzu_Seedz
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He thinks those were "victims of communism"
Like the Nazis were. Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleed.
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Like the Nazis were. Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleed.
Senzu_Seedz
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This is what losing at your own game looks like.
America is done for. Cheaper living, better quality of life are all available in China, none of these Chinese university students want to saddle their children with gross debt to get an education.
I lived with Chinese exchange students in 2012-2014, while at Queens College NYC, they found out our system is 3rd world levels or corrupt.
Talk about fucking around and finding out.
Captain Red Eye
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...BUT "my" system only killed X million!
Either way you calculate it, democide is a constant companion of coercion based governments.
Either way you calculate it, democide is a constant companion of coercion based governments.
what do you think your ideal system controlled by the wealthiest individuals would kill? lmao. i could take a good guess.... it'd be higher than the current american preventable death toll; or do you honestly think people with $40 billion dollars have the same class interests as a working class american?...BUT "my" system only killed X million!
Either way you calculate it, democide is a constant companion of coercion based governments.
Captain Red Eye
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Thank you for asking questions and attempting conversation. I appreciate that, seriously.
Your question has an assertion baked into it and is flawed, it assigns me a position I don't hold
I'm not responsible and neither is my philosophy for how billionaires take advantage of a system which I oppose. You should stop assigning their fuckery to me. I don't endorse it and never have.
I don't have an overarching coercion-based system, political or otherwise. No right to impose one on other people either. You get that principle when bad choices are pushed on you by crony capitalists. You rightfully object to crony capitalist behavior and you should.
Then you think the only way to end their coercion, is to wield your own coercion.
You and crony capitalists both want to use State power to force or herd people into your ideas. To me, you and the "evil billionaires" are the same, because both of you want to use the same operational means. Coercion as an operational means is wrong when they do it, so it won't become magically right when you do it. Your brain explodes and can't wrap around that simple truth.
I'm not insulting you either. I'm beginning with and then proceeding from a principled position. Wrong things don't become "not wrong" based on a vote. That's literally believing in political magic. Most people never consider that, but it doesn't make it not true. Normalizing a thing which is untrue doesn't change the nature of something.
Many people have concerns and seem to need a roadmap for how things might run if we remove systemic coercion. That's a different set of questions and worth exploring. I will entertain starting a thread to discuss those things.
Anyhow, just because coercion has been normalized and embedded in political systems, isn't a proof it should be. The body count numbers all done by coercion-based governments serve as evidence it SHOULDN'T be.
While I realize you might glaze over, misinterpret or be dismissive of this post, it's worth pointing out the last few lines in the quote below.
What I DO think
I have a philosophical position, not a political one. The philosophy is based in the principle that human relations are best when they are voluntarily and consensually arranged. No masters, no slaves. Peaceful people get to run their own lives. Full stop.
No individual people and no "special groups of people" have the right to coerce other people. None, zero, zilch. Everyone gets that when it's their rights being violated, but like you, many don't get it when it comes to ideas they like and want to force others to adopt. The solution isn't, "when I'm the boss of everyone, this is what I'm gonna force them to do"!!
That behavior is self-defeating, it only perpetuates the trading back and forth of whose turn it is to have their rights trampled. That's a dumb system and it's pretty much the same no matter if it's socialism, democracy, communism, crony capitalism etc. Perpetuating that system (the one you want control of) has a direct relationship to the government body counts being tossed around in the last few posts.
People should be free to organize themselves and those who willingly want to cooperate with them. That carries a corollary, people are free to say "no thanks" and remain pursuing their own interests as long as they don't violate other people. If that were a societal norm. the body count would only be from
bad freelance actors, rather than the exponential numbers coercion-based governments are able to "accomplish".
If a Voluntaryist philosophy were followed the only people that might get killed (not murdered) would be violent people that die when attacking others and they get a dose of defensive force as they should. No system or philosophy or lack thereof can guarantee there won't be bad freelance criminal people who try to force people to do things.
All coercion based political systems guarantee in addition to freelance criminals, there will be legally sanctified criminals, because that's all coercion-based governments really are. We were just comparing the millions of people various governments have killed as if we should accept the best we can ever get is the ones that have only a few million democide related deaths attached to them. That's pretty messed up.
In a world with voluntaryists principles there would be an absence of government protections for "special people", like crony capitalists. Then there would likely be fewer Billionaires, since most billionaires money has historically been made and kept flowing to them by their "partnerships" with government and the protectionism that goes with it.
People with 40 billion dollars violating others via government aren't, operationally speaking, any different than people with far less money violating others when they use government. It's the violation of others that needs to end. Using coercion-based governments to end that, is literally impossible. We can do better.
Captain Red Eye
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Good points. I like to think people in the future will reflect on what occurs now and be relieved some of the dumb shit that goes on today will have ceased.
Senzu_Seedz
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Senzu_Seedz
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America is crashing and burning this year, right in time for the 250 year anniversary.
Senzu_Seedz
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The propaganda machine is dieing and I'm here cheering for it!
Senzu_Seedz
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Vietnam literally better off than the USA.
Commies once again proving they're superior to western shit heels.
Captain Red Eye
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Except...The standard of living in Viet Nam went up after the commie collectivist rules were relaxed and
some free marketish things were "allowed". The same thing happened in China. People work harder and smarter when they have a personal stake in the outcome.
You can easily search that on the internet.
I'd say the Vietnamese people as a whole are a more disciplined society than the USA clusterfuck. Cleaner cities too apparently, no San Fran Shitgo sidewalks.
Hiddenjems
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Kick off the revolution by socializing your property first.
You’ll go on to say other people are the problem, any you’re right. That’s the heart of the communist failure. Something you can never fully control, other people, will always fuck up your commie dream.
For an ideology to succeed, it has to compete against people with different beliefs.
Senzu_Seedz
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Hey retard, that's not socialism, that's literally charity.
Stop confusing the two retard. You keep stinking up this thread with false dichotomy logic.
Stop talking about socialism if you don't know the definition.
I work with local cannabis growers and share in the profits of our labor(flower/seeds) and monetary profit is the last of my priorities.
Your world is ruled by profit obsessed capitalists, stop sucking their cocks in conversation form - your breath fucking stinking this place up.
Luigi mangiones was a class traitor.
He is a hero for it, you are a class traitor and a retard lapdog for it.
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Captain Red Eye
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Based on some of your responses, I'm wondering if manners might be one of your last priorities too.
Hiddenjems
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You catch more bees with honey than shit.
Hiddenjems
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He could be 100% right in an argument and fail to convince anyone due to attitude alone.
Senzu_Seedz
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Now you're to r policing like a bunch of crybabies.
You fill up threads like this with 50 pages of blather and retarded commentary and get upset that i call you what you are.
Your country is ruled by people who want you dumb and disenfranchised.
Your freedoms are a fucking joke.
You fill up threads like this with 50 pages of blather and retarded commentary and get upset that i call you what you are.
Your country is ruled by people who want you dumb and disenfranchised.
Your freedoms are a fucking joke.
Hiddenjems
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That’s weird. I can walk out my door, yell the government sucks while shooting an ar, and nothing happens. Nobody shows up to say anything.
Why are you so non personable? Can you not accept that an intelligent person could come to different conclusions than yourself?
Captain Red Eye
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That is accurate. Although any country which is under Communist rule by definition disenfranchises the freedom of individuals.
So it could also be said any Communist country or organization which doesn't gain its members on a voluntary basis is founded in removal of individual freedoms in favor of forcible collectivism.
Meaning your freedoms there would also be a fucking joke.
If your seed collective isn't about profit, do you give them away or do you sell them? Do you solicit charity to pay for the electricity and supplies to make those seeds?
Senzu_Seedz
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