commies

[Three Berries]

that ultimately won't fix the problem, humanity/americans will find themselves in this same situation 50-100 years down the road. just bandages on a gaping wound.

those competitive companies will eventually consolidate and monopolize the market. just as we see in literally every industry in our economy taking place right this second.

That's the way the government wants it. Full control by the government is like anything else they do. You get the minimal benefit at highest cost. Cost may not be what you directly pay, but to society as a whole or for the taxpayers who actually pay for it.

There is no true completion if it's government controlled and regulated. Medicaid is a trap for state governments.

Here's the great Blue State of Illinois paid for by all the other states......

I suppose because we are way deep in debt but have a 'balanced budget' because of Federal Scamdemic tax dollars influx, it's no problem adding a few more billions to the tab......

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ee-healthcare/

Illinois Now Providing Illegal Immigrants With Free Healthcare

In a privilege not granted to most Americans, illegal immigrants in Illinois between the ages of 55 and 64 can now receive taxpayer funded healthcare.
On July 1, the program will expand to cover eligible illegal immigrants between the ages of 42 to 54 as well.

The initial program was approved by state lawmakers in 2021 and has now gone into effect.

Illegal immigrants who qualify will not have to pay for doctor and hospital visits, lab tests, physical and occupational therapy, mental health, substance abuse disorder services, dental and vision services, or prescription drugs.

 

[armedoldhippy]

The only US communism I want to see eliminated is people without children paying for other peoples childrens education, corporate welfare leeches, foreign welfare leeches, police state welfare leeches, and military industrial complex welfare leeches. The less the government is in control of, the better off the people are.

Socialism is not a failure in central and south America on its own. It is CIA puppets that made sure any non capitalist government was overthrown -

https://chomsky.info/20170119/

i'm with you on corporate welfare, and we do blow a lot of money overseas on undeserving recipients. we won't be arguing about that, lol. i hope the "police state welfare leeches" you are referring to are the for-profit private prison investors etc, making a profit by making unfortunate peoples problems worse. "Prison Nation", damn. we will always require a military, but so much of what we spend is wasted/stolen or duplicated. there is a problem with members of Congress (of both parties) whose districts have important (and incredibly profitable) industries, shipyards etc . they have outsized influence far in excess of their true value. but they aint gonna give up their spot at the public trough willingly. childrens education.... it is good for the nation as a whole to give the young as good of an education as is feasible. saying that those who do not have kids should not have to chip in on the nations future is ludicrous. THEY went to school someplace, which everyone else paid for!

 

[HempKat]

That's the way the government wants it. Full control by the government is like anything else they do. You get the minimal benefit at highest cost. Cost may not be what you directly pay, but to society as a whole or for the taxpayers who actually pay for it.

There is no true completion if it's government controlled and regulated. Medicaid is a trap for state governments.

Here's the great Blue State of Illinois paid for by all the other states......

I suppose because we are way deep in debt but have a 'balanced budget' because of Federal Scamdemic tax dollars influx, it's no problem adding a few more billions to the tab......

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ee-healthcare/

Illinois Now Providing Illegal Immigrants With Free Healthcare

In a privilege not granted to most Americans, illegal immigrants in Illinois between the ages of 55 and 64 can now receive taxpayer funded healthcare.
On July 1, the program will expand to cover eligible illegal immigrants between the ages of 42 to 54 as well.

The initial program was approved by state lawmakers in 2021 and has now gone into effect.

Illegal immigrants who qualify will not have to pay for doctor and hospital visits, lab tests, physical and occupational therapy, mental health, substance abuse disorder services, dental and vision services, or prescription drugs.

This whole story is very misleading as it clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of how Medicaid works. First off good luck finding a doctor that will except Medicaid. Due to a long history of being very slow to pay on claims and forcing doctor offices to have to jump thru all sorts of hoops to get paid in the first place very few doctors anymore will accept Medicaid. The ones that do end up typically being the doctors that struggle to get or keep patients because they're not very good doctors. They are willing to put up with the aspects of Medicaid that other doctors won't because having Medicaid patients is better then having no patients, gotta pay off the Medical School student loan some how. That aside though Medicaid is not some total free ride in health care there are still copays and deductibles to deal with and Medicaid is much more restrictive on what they'll cover even if a thing the refuse to cover is something the doctor insists is needed to treat the patient. It's not the golden ticket many perceive it to be.

All that being said, I do agree that taxpayer money shouldn't be providing benefits to people that are here illegally. Legal immigrants fine, refugees fine, political asylum fine but if you got here by sneaking across the border then the only taxpayer money spent you you should be whatever it takes to send you back to where you came from.

 

[Three Berries]

This whole story is very misleading as it clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of how Medicaid works. First off good luck finding a doctor that will except Medicaid. Due to a long history of being very slow to pay on claims and forcing doctor offices to have to jump thru all sorts of hoops to get paid in the first place very few doctors anymore will accept Medicaid. The ones that do end up typically being the doctors that struggle to get or keep patients because they're not very good doctors. They are willing to put up with the aspects of Medicaid that other doctors won't because having Medicaid patients is better then having no patients, gotta pay off the Medical School student loan some how. That aside though Medicaid is not some total free ride in health care there are still copays and deductibles to deal with and Medicaid is much more restrictive on what they'll cover even if a thing the refuse to cover is something the doctor insists is needed to treat the patient. It's not the golden ticket many perceive it to be.

All that being said, I do agree that taxpayer money shouldn't be providing benefits to people that are here illegally. Legal immigrants fine, refugees fine, political asylum fine but if you got here by sneaking across the border then the only taxpayer money spent you you should be whatever it takes to send you back to where you came from.

The state is probably the biggest user of Medicaid. Illinois spend $16B in 2016. Nationally over $500B by the Feds. That's a lot of good luck finding doctors. Same with Dentist, though they are harder to find but the ones that do almost use the Medicaid patients exclusively.

 

[Cannavore]

You pay for undocumented healthcare either way lol. Same with the homeless.

What do you think happens when these groups go to the hospital or ER because theyve delayed care out of fear of unaffordability? The taxpayer foots the bill.

Preventative care > clogging up ER's

 

[Three Berries]

You pay for undocumented healthcare either way lol. Same with the homeless.

What do you think happens when these groups go to the hospital or ER because theyve delayed care out of fear of unaffordability? The taxpayer foots the bill.

Preventative care > clogging up ER's

Most of America's health issues are self inflicted and promoted by government and the medical industry. Just the American way to burden the responsible with the ills of the ne'er-do-wells.....

 

[Cannavore]

The point is you pay 2 to 4 times more than the countries with the best healthcare systems for WORSE outcomes lol.

Americans are brainwashed suckers

 

[Three Berries]

Americans are brainwashed into thinking they have to go to the Dr all the time.

 

[h.h.]

The point is you pay 2 to 4 times more than the countries with the best healthcare systems for WORSE outcomes lol.

Americans are brainwashed suckers

Those in la-la land spread lots of self righteous bullshit while blaming it all on “brainwashed Americans”.

 

[h.h.]

There’s a lot of hard working undocumented workers that deserve medical care. Substandard wages with no benefits along with high medical costs keeps them dependent on government services.
A persons status should result from their qualities and character. Their work ethics. Their sense of community.
Sneaking across the border? It is a question of character. As it was when I snuck a joint in high school. Perhaps I wanted to get high. Perhaps they wanted to feed their family. Escape the violence of El Salvador. I should judge.
By the grace of god, I was born here. Some of us are just luckier than others. Not more deserving. Just luckier.

 

[Cannavore]

what do you call people who spend thousands of more dollars per capita on healthcare than the rest of the world (while it doesn't universally cover the entire population unlike most of the other countries on that list do, especially those to the left of the OECD average), and not only that, but are proud and happy to do so, citing some nonsense about markets and freedom and innovation?

 

[HempKat]

The state is probably the biggest user of Medicaid. Illinois spend $16B in 2016. Nationally over $500B by the Feds. That's a lot of good luck finding doctors. Same with Dentist, though they are harder to find but the ones that do almost use the Medicaid patients exclusively.

You misunderstand, it's not so much a matter of good luck finding doctors (although I guess I could have put that part of my previous post better) as much as it is good luck finding good doctors that offer the services you want. Now I guess the rules vary some from State to State because in my state if you're over 18 you're not getting any dental care covered by Medicaid.

 

[HempKat]

There’s a lot of hard working undocumented workers that deserve medical care. Substandard wages with no benefits along with high medical costs keeps them dependent on government services.
A persons status should result from their qualities and character. Their work ethics. Their sense of community.
Sneaking across the border? It is a question of character. As it was when I snuck a joint in high school. Perhaps I wanted to get high. Perhaps they wanted to feed their family. Escape the violence of El Salvador. I should judge.
By the grace of god, I was born here. Some of us are just luckier than others. Not more deserving. Just luckier.

I disagree our country is based on rule of law and if someone comes to this country illegally they are breaking the law, even if they just want to better provide for their families. I'm not saying undocumented workers are bad people but the fact is that if they came in illegally they broke the law. It's their illegal status that gets them substandard wages with no benefits. Most of the employers that hire them deliberately take advantage of their illegal status. Alas to them even substandard pay with no benefits is way better then standard pay in the countries they come from. So they happily accept the substandard wage with no benefits and it's usually not them complaining about it but rather people who feel the way they're being taken advantage of is wrong, which it is. There is a solution for these undocumented types which is to follow the process to become a legally documented citizen either thru the process of being a legal immigrant or by seeking political asylum. Sure that process may take longer or might be more difficult then sneaking across the border but it's unfair to all those seeking to do things the right way so that they can earn standard pay with benefits. I don't see why the taxpayer should be burdened with the cost of providing them care just because they were willing to come here illegally and accept substandard pay without benefits. The real problem though is that you have all sorts of employers who knowingly and willfully break the law by hiring undocumented workers. If we started enforcing the laws on the books against employers knowingly hiring illegals at substandard wages, with jail sentences and stiff penalties that undo any benefit from paying substandard wages those jobs that undocumented workers find would evaporate overnight and once the word got back to the countries these undocumented workers come from that they can't find jobs without being documented, they would stop coming here, at least illegally.

 

[h.h.]

I wouldn’t stay in El Salvador because folks felt I was being unfair in a system of inequality. Not if my kids were hungry or being pressured by gangs. No dinner tonight, we’re waiting our turn.
Folks do what they have to do. In a system of laws, we break marijuana laws everyday. We find them unjust. Our childrens lives don’t depend on it.
Now, who has the greater morals? They’re not cheating each other, they’re going without.

 

[Three Berries]

You misunderstand, it's not so much a matter of good luck finding doctors (although I guess I could have put that part of my previous post better) as much as it is good luck finding good doctors that offer the services you want. Now I guess the rules vary some from State to State because in my state if you're over 18 you're not getting any dental care covered by Medicaid.

Good luck finding Drs that want to cure you and are not there to treat and push pills, or follow their Hippocratic Oath.. The entire medical/insurance/political cabal needs to be burnt down.

 

[mexcurandero420]

In old Soviet Union, herbs were still be used to cure you.

 

[HempKat]

I wouldn’t stay in El Salvador because folks felt I was being unfair in a system of inequality. Not if my kids were hungry or being pressured by gangs. No dinner tonight, we’re waiting our turn.
Folks do what they have to do. In a system of laws, we break marijuana laws everyday. We find them unjust. Our childrens lives don’t depend on it.
Now, who has the greater morals? They’re not cheating each other, they’re going without.

Yeah but that's really comparing apples to oranges, for most of us that break marijuana laws there is no option to do it legally and it's not like we have to rely on taxpayers to make it possible to get the results we seek when we break those laws. I never said they were immoral either for wanting to come here to make a better lives for themselves and their families. I totally get that all I'm say is that there is a right way to go about it and a wrong way. You're also kind of misrepresenting things, many of the illegal immigrants that come here don't bring their whole families, just those that can do the hard labor they do and then they turn around and send most of their money home. There is a certain practicality to doing things that way but the end result is the family members that stay behind are usually the most vulnerable and so they're still threatened by the gangs and corruption that makes life back home so bad. If they did things the right way that would make it much more realistic to move the whole family and bring real improvement to the quality of their lives. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally sympathetic to the plight of these people back in their home countries but the countries with miserable home lives are all over the world. If we just said okay everyone with a bad quality of life feel free to come here by any means you can whether it be legal or not, this country would be overrun and the quality of life here would go down for everyone. Personally I think the solution is to let the companies looking for cheap labor should go to the countries these immigrants come from and set up factory cities where people they employ could have good living conditions and reasonable pay and the companies would be responsible for providing the security in these cities to keep the bad element out. They won't do that though because it would take too much effort and investment. Why should that when they can just go somewhere else like China where they can still get all the cheap labor with minimal investment or effort. The solution to places like El Salvador isn't to just let everyone come here without restriction, the solution is to work with El Salvador at home so that the lives of it's people improve enough that people would be more willing to stay.

 

[h.h.]

It is common to send money home. But not when avoiding the gangs. That’s a different situation.
I agree the solution lies in advancing economic opportunities. The idea of moving to a foreign country for work is generally not their first choice.

 

[HempKat]

Good luck finding Drs that want to cure you and are not there to treat and push pills, or follow their Hippocratic Oath.. The entire medical/insurance/political cabal needs to be burnt down.

The problem with burning things down is that everything gets destroyed, yes there are major problems that require all those things to be overhauled but if you burn it all down you're left with nothing. Most doctors are not bad people, in some ways they're as much a victim of the systems they work under as their patients are. They would rationalize that even though the system is imperfect it's better there is someone helping people then just leaving everyone to fend for themselves. The real problem is the corruption in our politics, that's what needs to be torn down and replaced with something better. Our political system should be able to correct the problems with pill pushing and unrealistic insurance but it can't because big pharma and the insurance companies all have corrupt politicians in their pockets to keep things just as they are Unfortunately we can't reform the politics as it is now because it's the politicians that would need to change the laws and they won't do that as long as maintaining the status quo is profitable for them. One of the first things needing to be done is to impose term limits on everyone in government but that's not going to happen when it's the politicians that benefit from there being no limits that would have to pass those laws.

 

[Cannavore]

new question;

can climate change be solved/dealt with under existing capitalism?

my answer would be a firm no. and my justification for that position would be for me to tell you to simply look at the past 40yrs lol. i can expand on this when it isn't 2am lol.


for all the Q's and righties who think climate change is a hoax or doesn't exist, this question isn't for you lol. i don't care how much you copy/paste into here about climate change hoaxes, i'm not going to respond to that bullshit.