commies

[armedoldhippy]

Lately in commie utopia San Fran, the dope is free.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...worth-products-bay-area-cannabis-shops-video/

they've been giving registered heroin addicts free heroin in Britain for years. get up early, go to clinic, get hit with your daily maintenance dose, & go to work if you have a job. cheaper than the results of crimes committed by addicts on their own.

 

[Absolem]

Too bad the Bernie supporters haven't learned from the amount of time they waste explaining the definition of "socialism" or "communism" to people. But I guess if you call yourself a "democratic socialist" you should not be surprised to be called a socialist or communist.

If they were better at branding themselves they would avoid the terms "socialism" or "communism". Getting these people to spend their time talking about the definition of words takes time away from the real goal of what they are trying to achieve. Plays into the hands of the GOP when all you have to do is call them a "socialist". And instead of spending the time talking about what they would achieve if in power they instead get to spend that time trying to act smart by telling people what the word "socialism" really means.

About as smart as a car company trying to recycle the name "Yugo".
"No no no. This "Yugo" isn't like the old one. This one has sprinkles".

 

[h.h.]

Too bad the Bernie supporters haven't learned from the amount of time they waste explaining the definition of "socialism" or "communism" to people. But I guess if you call yourself a "democratic socialist" you should not be surprised to be called a socialist or communist.

If they were better at branding themselves they would avoid the terms "socialism" or "communism". Getting these people to spend their time talking about the definition of words takes time away from the real goal of what they are trying to achieve. Plays into the hands of the GOP when all you have to do is call them a "socialist". And instead of spending the time talking about what they would achieve if in power they instead get to spend that time trying to act smart by telling people what the word "socialism" really means.

About as smart as a car company trying to recycle the name "Yugo".
"No no no. This "Yugo" isn't like the old one. This one has sprinkles".

At least Indian isn’t made in India. Yet.

 

[armedoldhippy]

At least Indian isn’t made in India. Yet.

Harley is moving production of some European market bikes overseas to avoid tariffs applied .

 

[flylowgethigh]

Pretty good discussion of what is going on now. People should open their eyes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M043Qj46Ww

 

[Brother Nature]

 

['Boogieman']

Too bad the Bernie supporters haven't learned from the amount of time they waste explaining the definition of "socialism" or "communism" to people. But I guess if you call yourself a "democratic socialist" you should not be surprised to be called a socialist or communist.

If they were better at branding themselves they would avoid the terms "socialism" or "communism". Getting these people to spend their time talking about the definition of words takes time away from the real goal of what they are trying to achieve. Plays into the hands of the GOP when all you have to do is call them a "socialist". And instead of spending the time talking about what they would achieve if in power they instead get to spend that time trying to act smart by telling people what the word "socialism" really means.

About as smart as a car company trying to recycle the name "Yugo".
"No no no. This "Yugo" isn't like the old one. This one has sprinkles".

A meme that perfectly describes how I see the Bernie crowd.

 

[h.h.]

Not the Bernie crowd.

 

[Cannavore]

A meme that perfectly describes how I see the Bernie crowd.

then you're retarded. not much else i can say. if years of me trying to help you understand all of this hasn't worked then there's really no hope for you people.

 

[Cannavore]

Too bad the Bernie supporters haven't learned from the amount of time they waste explaining the definition of "socialism" or "communism" to people. But I guess if you call yourself a "democratic socialist" you should not be surprised to be called a socialist or communist.

it takes about two seconds and it works on most people. the reason why it's good to explain this things to folks is because most of them are attainable to the left and berniecratic policy, hence why bernie polls much better than the standard democrat w/ republicans, and had the most crossover vote appeal from Trump in the prez elections.

If they were better at branding themselves they would avoid the terms "socialism" or "communism".

lol what bernie supporter calls themselves a communist? socialists and communists are to the left of bernie supporters.

Getting these people to spend their time talking about the definition of words takes time away from the real goal of what they are trying to achieve.

huh lol all bernie sanders does is talk policy and literally never explains why he calls himself a democratic socialist which he never does. social democrats are policy driven first and foremost. it is the democrats and self professed "moderates" who are taking away the policy talk because they do not ideologically agree.

Plays into the hands of the GOP when all you have to do is call them a "socialist".

this means literally nothing. they think joe biden is a socialist and will use this excuse until the end of time.

And instead of spending the time talking about what they would achieve if in power they instead get to spend that time trying to act smart by telling people what the word "socialism" really means.

this is called concern trolling. as i already stated, all bernie supporters do is push policy. the problem is the people you vote for are neoliberals who do not want the government to do anything to help the people. jen psaki being outraged at the idea of free covid testing is just the latest example of what i mean.

 

['Boogieman']

then you're retarded. not much else i can say. if years of me trying to help you understand all of this hasn't worked then there's really no hope for you people.

I understand your thesis, but I have seen far to many contradictions from you and others to trust it. For example you claim their would be limited to no government yet you and many other Bernie supporters popped a boner when the vaccine mandate was announced. Shit like that makes me doubt your true intentions. Besides I have done very well with capitalism, im not willing to throw it away and end up like Venezuela over some bullshit utopia promise. Bottom line, I don't trust our politicians and I don't trust you.

 

[h.h.]

And I don’t trust “capitalists”. Most Americans labor.
Driving around San Diego county, I count the houses going down the road. One million, two million, three million dollars and on and on. That’s what our labor pays for. Meanwhile Americans go hungry. Somethings wrong with a system like that. We have some of the best workers in the world. It’s not laziness. Capitalism only works for the capitalists. Those willing to take advantage of their fellow man. Without labor, they’d be nothing.

 

[audiohi]

Gotta pay more dividends to the people that do absolutely nothing.

Right, Boogie?

 

[h.h.]

Gotta pay more dividends to the people that do absolutely nothing.

Right, Boogie?

I have nothing against the corporate structure. Let them play their money games. Allow the people what belongs to the people. Land and water rights are universal. They belong to no one. They exist only through conquest and government control and the will of the majority. Everyone has the right to eat and to have a place to sleep. The basic and god given right to exist regardless of what “ism” is currently in favor. Picking one ism over the other is only pure ideology ignoring the entire point of society and a social structure.

 

[audiohi]

And I don’t trust “capitalists”. Most Americans labor.
Driving around San Diego county, I count the houses going down the road. One million, two million, three million dollars and on and on. That’s what our labor pays for. Meanwhile Americans go hungry. Somethings wrong with a system like that. We have some of the best workers in the world. It’s not laziness. Capitalism only works for the capitalists. Those willing to take advantage of their fellow man. Without labor, they’d be nothing.

I have nothing against the corporate structure. Let them play their money games. Allow the people what belongs to the people. Land and water rights are universal. They belong to no one. They exist only through conquest and government control and the will of the majority. Everyone has the right to eat and to have a place to sleep. The basic and god given right to exist regardless of what “ism” is currently in favor. Picking one ism over the other is only pure ideology ignoring the entire point of society and a social structure.

Interesting.

 

[Cannavore]

I understand your thesis, but I have seen far to many contradictions from you and others to trust it. For example you claim their would be limited to no government yet you and many other Bernie supporters popped a boner when the vaccine mandate was announced. Shit like that makes me doubt your true intentions. Besides I have done very well with capitalism, im not willing to throw it away and end up like Venezuela over some bullshit utopia promise. Bottom line, I don't trust our politicians and I don't trust you.

my dude no you do not lol. bernie sanders and the bulk of his followers aren't communist (that's where the no government comes in to play). Most of them aren't even socialist. Do socialists and communists support Bernie though in general? Yeah I'm sure they do, but everything Bernie fights for in his platform is adaptable within capitalism. I don't think I'm making any contradictions. These are all distinct and separate groups with some overlapping agreement. Bernie and the bulk of his movement are social democrats/progressives. All they want to do is balance out and reform capitalism to include a more healthy welfare state like Europe has. I have since moved to the left of Bernie and the Berniecrats because I don't think what social democrats like Bernie are advocating for is enough. I don't think capitalism can fix itself, nor do I think the ruling elites want to "fix capitalism" because it's working just as intended for them. I'd still support them in elections though because that's the best this country has to offer someone like me.



If you don't trust me, maybe you'll trust a writer for the CATO Institute, the leading American Libertarian thinktank. I'm not going to post the entire thing but you should go read it;

https://www.cato.org/commentary/bern...ot-capitalist#

Bernie Is Not a Socialist and America Is Not Capitalist

America’s is a mixed economy and so are Scandinavian countries’. It is the mixture that differs.

"As someone who grew up under socialism and is still, barely, in his 30s, I hope to relate a few ideas to the young people who are “feeling the Bern.” First, Sanders is not a socialist, but a social democrat. Second, the United States does not have a strictly capitalist economy, but a mixed one. As such, it combines a high level of private ownership of capital and the means of production with relatively onerous regulation and taxation. Third, to the extent that what anti‐​capitalist Sanders supporters really want is a Scandinavian‐​style social democracy, with its high level of wealth redistribution and income equality, they should consider that even some of the most socially democratic countries on earth are, in one crucial way, more capitalist than the United States."


In other words in the USA, the ratio of Capitalism:Socialism is like 90:10. In Scandinavian countries that the Berniecrats want to emulate more of, that ratio of Cap:Soc is more like 60:40. That's pretty much it.

The age of Neoliberalism is basically the age of too much capitalism in the US and elsewhere. This has lead to a complete abandonment of the working class by neoliberal democrats, which results in this group buying into the far right rhetoric about immigrants, socialists, cultural marxists, q anon conspiracy shit and becoming radicalized who then vote for people like Donald Trump.
The Democratic establishment and neoliberal establishment itself is partly the reason for the Trump movement's existence in the first place, and doubling down on more of these watered down neolib incremental half measures they call policies, and the fake policitians they prop up (while shitting on the grass roots Berniecrats) is only going to push more and more people to the right.

 

[Cannavore]

Allow the people what belongs to the people. Land and water rights are universal. They belong to no one.

 

['Boogieman']

And I don’t trust “capitalists”. Most Americans labor.
Driving around San Diego county, I count the houses going down the road. One million, two million, three million dollars and on and on. That’s what our labor pays for. Meanwhile Americans go hungry. Somethings wrong with a system like that. We have some of the best workers in the world. It’s not laziness. Capitalism only works for the capitalists. Those willing to take advantage of their fellow man. Without labor, they’d be nothing.

LOL, California, now it all makes sense. One thing holding the poor back outside of the outrageous cost of living is the taxes out there. Gas tax, water tax, pretty much everything lol. But they keep voting in democrats, proof they really don't care about the poor in my opinion. In California I wouldn't be able to pay rent let alone own a home with my income, but in my red state the cost of living is right and the taxes are very low allowing almost everyone a chance at success.

 

['Boogieman']

Gotta pay more dividends to the people that do absolutely nothing.

Right, Boogie?

I prefer growth stocks

 

[moose eater]

LOL, California, now it all makes sense. One thing holding the poor back outside of the outrageous cost of living is the taxes out there. Gas tax, water tax, pretty much everything lol. But they keep voting in democrats, proof they really don't care about the poor in my opinion. In California I wouldn't be able to pay rent let alone own a home with my income, but in my red state the cost of living is right and the taxes are very low allowing almost everyone a chance at success.

Except the red states seem to be getting supported by the federal taxes paid by blue states, which are being criticized by the red states for their tax amounts, all the while relying on those over-taxed blue states to continue supporting those under-taxed red states.

Seems sort of self-defeating (not to mention hypocritical) for the red states to be complaining about the blue states revenues, when it's those revenues that support the under-taxed, lower-wage-earning red states, no?

Hmmm.

And yes, Alaska, of all those tax-guzzling red states mooching federal tax dollars, is one of the worst offenders. And the less-than-insightful rednecks up here, busily talking hollow rugged individualism all doo-dah-day, don't seem aware of the reality that the staunch, pro-John Wayne bootstraps crowd is actually the epitome of the modern welfare crowd, speaking overall and in a general sense.

Me, I'm non-partisan, and sometimes enjoy a good display of hypocrisy or watching a train wreck, providing those involved are not my loved ones.