Columbian Gold 72

[Im'One]

dear cg72 growers, just received some of the 72 line will start out door grow of said line here in western Oklahoma, the endeavor is to preserve this line for a friend whom owns said genetics, keep all apprised as it goes, cheers to you all mike tea

Mike is being modest, he has already ran the WOS santa marta columbian for several generations and sent me seeds...i just hope my underground cg72 seeds will do as well, and if he hits a snag maybe the two can combine for a stronger strain. Glad to be cooperating in your endeavors Mike.

 

[Mustafunk]

dear cg72 growers, just received some of the 72 line will start out door grow of said line here in western Oklahoma, the endeavor is to preserve this line for a friend whom owns said genetics, keep all apprised as it goes, cheers to you all mike tea

Who owns said genetics? This line was originally shared by Rahan, who was one of the original members of the Vibes Collective. Jahgreenlabel was his protegee and when he was active on Underground Seeds Collective, he decided to release the line, which Tropical Seed Co ultimately took as their own even after JahGreenLabel left.

The CG'72 was always shared freely among the landrace friends from that circle who had enough respect (no greed) for the plant and those who first shared the seeds with the community.

 

[Im'One]

I think mike meant i had the underground seeds, while he had the wos seeds, thats all.

 

[mike tea]

thank you for the post, one and also for the seeds today the wife and myself just planted the cg72's in jiffy pots, with potting soil, once they sprout then we will transplant to a prepared area look forward to growing these cg 72, due to bad weather which is behind us now, hail and hard rain we had to hold off, today was perfect day to get them started will keep you in formed as we, go panamas are doing great popped two of them they are vigorus and real stretchy will keep this endeavor going friend, cheers, miketea, will keep in touch, as it moves forward

 

[Im'One]

Thanks Mike for the report, stay safe and healthy my friend...

 

[mike tea]

my apolgy

my apolgy

Who owns said genetics? This line was originally shared by Rahan, who was one of the original members of the Vibes Collective. Jahgreenlabel was his protegee and when he was active on Underground Seeds Collective, he decided to release the line, which Tropical Seed Co ultimately took as their own even after JahGreenLabel left.

The CG'72 was always shared freely among the landrace friends from that circle who had enough respect (no greed) for the plant and those who first shared the seeds with the community.

my apology's to the members of the collective my failure to clarify my intent in regards to the72 cg's, first and foremost I donot sell seeds that would require a state of Oklahoma growers license, I donot own one at the moment. the my intent in those regards was to grow this line for one, ihave acess to outdoor grow sites once the endeavor is completed all the seeds go back to one hope this will clarify my intent any questions please feel free to ask have nothing to hide peace , mike tea

 

[Nexus7]

Who owns said genetics? This line was originally shared by Rahan, who was one of the original members of the Vibes Collective. Jahgreenlabel was his protegee and when he was active on Underground Seeds Collective, he decided to release the line, which Tropical Seed Co ultimately took as their own even after JahGreenLabel left.

The CG'72 was always shared freely among the landrace friends from that circle who had enough respect (no greed) for the plant and those who first shared the seeds with the community.

I thought it was Crippled Crow who initially came by the seeds and shared it with the online community?

But most definitely share those seeds around freely with each other in the spirit of the Vibes collective.

 

[Mustafunk]

I thought it was Crippled Crow who initially came by the seeds and shared it with the online community?

Hi bro... you may be right, it's been some time since I last spoke with Rahan and JGL. But from what I remember, Crow's line was from the 80s. Anyway they were working with 3 or 4 different colombians, including one from the 80s and an early release from BSC too. At that time there weren't many lines being shared and we mostly knew each other's work and plants. But there were still a bunch of strains being passed at the time so it's hard to find the info now. I would definitely love to find out.

You can find some more info and pics from other Colombians here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=218684

Here's an old past from CrippledCrow:

I had a friend give me some santa marta colombian gold seeds that are from the 80`s he has since gone offline. I was wondering if you could look through this thread at the pictures and give me your opinion as to what you think about it being a smcg or not. If so , Id like to pick up a few of your strains and cross them to it. Your panama is beautiful by the way , she`d be the first I grab. Thanks for your time as I value your opinion highly.
Crow

There is another different Santa Marta Gold line that came from the Vibes Col through another old member named Annaba. Here's a picture from a recent reproduction:

There used to be still another Colombian Gold floating around Cannabis World years, this one was introduced in the community by a Colombian member named Aldous, that some may remember:

To be honest and all being said, it is still hard to verify anything nowadays, mostly because people don't take the time to double check their sources or background stories before starting to pass and trade clones or seeds here and there. That's how you end with loads of unverified or fake genetics. It was easy to track shit down and research people's posts and credentials years ago, but now in the IG era, it's just impossible, everything became too huge and fast paced, people just want to post stuff on IG, no matter the true story behind it.

It's a pity.

Best.

 

[mike tea]

wos cg

wos cg

Welcome to the club Mr. Tea!

thank you sir glad to be a part of the club
during the 2019 grow of the world of seeds, santa martas, poped one male and four femaleswe had also, poped five,barney farms, seed
plants, all sativa types we crossed these with the male Colombian, by chucking the pollen on these femmed, plant, s, cgx ag, produced a lot of seeds theseare planned for 2021 out door grow, the yield on the five cg was twenty pounds they are large plants very productive
I look forward to growing these 72 cg',sagain thanks to all stay safe, miketea

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

Greetings All,
I sprouted my 8 remaining CG72 from USC. One did not sprout. Of the remaining 8 there are 2 that are severely deformed. This makes 3 out of 9 that sprouted, deformed. I am guessing it is partly just luck of the draw, but could it also be due to an extreme narrowing of this particular gene pool? I will let them all grow out a little more, but am likely going to get rid of the 2 deformed seedlings. Of course this will limit the genetics going in, as I was planning on reproducing seeds. Lol, ultimately, my goal is to sustain this cultivar for my own use well int the future. I'd like to share them with others as well.

 

[Nexus7]

Hi bro... you may be right, it's been some time since I last spoke with Rahan and JGL. But from what I remember, Crow's line was from the 80s. Anyway they were working with 3 or 4 different colombians, including one from the 80s and an early release from BSC too. At that time there weren't many lines being shared and we mostly knew each other's work and plants. But there were still a bunch of strains being passed at the time so it's hard to find the info now. I would definitely love to find out.

You can find some more info and pics from other Colombians here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=218684

Here's an old past from CrippledCrow:



There is another different Santa Marta Gold line that came from the Vibes Col through another old member named Annaba. Here's a picture from a recent reproduction:

View Image

There used to be still another Colombian Gold floating around Cannabis World years, this one was introduced in the community by a Colombian member named Aldous, that some may remember:

View Image

To be honest and all being said, it is still hard to verify anything nowadays, mostly because people don't take the time to double check their sources or background stories before starting to pass and trade clones or seeds here and there. That's how you end with loads of unverified or fake genetics. It was easy to track shit down and research people's posts and credentials years ago, but now in the IG era, it's just impossible, everything became too huge and fast paced, people just want to post stuff on IG, no matter the true story behind it.

It's a pity.

Best.

Yes it's a pity indeed.

I was chatting with a fellow ICMag member who recently reproduced a SMCG line but couldn't say who originally shared the line. It may even be the same line you mention shared by Annaba. It's has the same needle thin leaves ... Sad to say but I think it's also the same one now being sold at proseed.

Do you know of the origin of other CG lines?

Brazil Seed co. - Possibly obtained via Red rider?

Reeferman's -

Snow high - at least three lines
- cicra '72 (different to JGL/crippled crow line)
- circa '68 (long time breeder from Humboldt)
- heirloom Colombian family line

Lovely looking Colombians you display there Mustafunk. Personally I much prefer the ones with needle thin leaves, mostly for aesthetics but also out of fear of Indica contamination.

In regards to the '72 Crippled Crow line. Iirc the story goes Crow was verbally told '72 but when the bag came it had '80 written on it. Kaiki sampled the flowers and thought it was reminiscent of CG pre-indica invasion so I guess the '72 moniker stuck.

 

[Nexus7]

Greetings All,
I sprouted my 8 remaining CG72 from USC. One did not sprout. Of the remaining 8 there are 2 that are severely deformed. This makes 3 out of 9 that sprouted, deformed. I am guessing it is partly just luck of the draw, but could it also be due to an extreme narrowing of this particular gene pool? I will let them all grow out a little more, but am likely going to get rid of the 2 deformed seedlings. Of course this will limit the genetics going in, as I was planning on reproducing seeds. Lol, ultimately, my goal is to sustain this cultivar for my own use well int the future. I'd like to share them with others as well.

Well I think it was 6 or 7 males and females each used so strange to be getting inbreeding depression just one generation removed. I had 2 that didn't germ but I just direct sow and don't take too much care so maybe my fault. Of the four males I got 3 were quite vigorous, 1 slightly less so but I'm only really happy with one male so might not used the others and only have three seeds left.

I definitely agree we're going to have to share and work collectively on this one if we want to preserve it in some form or another.

 

[Mustafunk]

Brazil Seed co. - Possibly obtained via Red rider?

Reeferman's -

Snow high - at least three lines
- cicra '72 (different to JGL/crippled crow line)
- circa '68 (long time breeder from Humboldt)
- heirloom Colombian family line

There were some old posts here on BSC Colombian Gold after Rahan aka John Public posted some pictures:

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=1819567&postcount=3725

After those, there were some interesting posts from someone who allegedly knew Luiz better:

That indica CG looks nothing like the one I have. Luiz is dodgy as hell and I wouldn't suggest anyone buy anything off him, back in 2004 he had a partner in Colombia who was the source of his Colombian Gold, Black and Punto Rojo, so those were okay, but I know that these days he's rather less scrupulous about how he obtains his seeds. The reason I reproduced the CG was that I know Luiz lost that line and I was going to send him a big batch of seeds so he could keep it going, but when I found out how he works and his seed production methods, I decided not to bother.

Those seeds look nothing like the ones I have either, mine are very small and very dark with no striping, those look twice the size and totally different colour.

I definitely agree on the fact those Colombians have been hybridized. I've been taking note on how traditional NLD lines have changed after hybridization with hasplants and western hybrid contamination for years and they certainly show a dramatic impact on their flowering and phenotypes.

I've been hearing negative comments and reviews from BSC for years. From friends who got genetics stolen and sold by him, to dissapointment with his seeds, to others who were straight ripped off by Luiz, who asked for money in advance and then sent nothing in return. He never seem very reliable... basically someone who became involved with seeds for greed, not because of a passion for breeding and quality plants. On the other hand, it seems he had some interesting genetics in his catalogue at certain point, but most were discontinued while he kept trying to keep the bussiness going (up to this days).

No, Luiz is full of shit, whatever that line is he is selling now it's not related to the one I have and 9-11 weeks is very fast and one main cola is not how Colombian grow. It might be an adapted indica, but it's definitely not anything like the Colombian Gold I have.

Luiz was selling seeds out of bags of weed his family members bought, was growing plants on a windowsill overlooking an alley in tiny pots of dirt scraped from the alley, ripped off his business partners and lied to everyone about his actual situation during his health troubles, he painted a picture of poverty to everyone when in reality he is from a very well to do family and had not one but two luxurious houses. There is lots more dodgy stuff but I won't go into any more detail to protect the identity of the source of this info.

Anyway there's still plenty of info around the forums to dig on that subject... despite of that, I've hear he's alive and well, still doing bussiness within the shadows of Instagram, the network where bullshit artists seem to strengthen nowadays.

As for Snow's CG'72, the easiest explanation to me is that he may not be 100% sincere on the source and responds to his own interests, like most. His prices and bussiness practices speak loud about his poor ethics, hidden behind that mask of oldschool guru and preservationist/breeder. It would be such a coincidence that someone also sourced another Colombian from that same year around the same time and given the same circles Snow used to hang on, where people shared seeds, especially remembering that 10-15 years ago, things were a bit different and aspiring breeders and growers were haging at the same forums all together in harmony (until many realized about the bussiness potential).

Keeping in mind that he received and used plenty of other stuff from those grower collectives from back then like the Lambsbread, Sri Lanka, Dalat, Vietnam Black, Angola BSC (the one he recently released despite he knew he shouldn't, just like the Pine Melon Oaxacan according to what he said to me years ago) and so on, it would be naive to think he sourced those seeds in a different place where everyone was. Surely he has nice stuff from other sources, we've exchanged long emails about genetics time ago and even offered me to partner with him on some projects, but I've never felt like that. The thing is that rarely people credit their sources and background nowadays. Maybe in fear that they would be critizised for cashing on those without crediting or asking for their blessing before, or perhaps having their actual breeding achievements rather questioned and undervalued giving all the info.

During all this years researching about Cannabis history and the seed industry, interviewing several characters and meeting a bunch of others, I got to find out that unfortuntely most "legendary breeders" and laureated seed companies are sitting on a big pile of bullshit, yet people keep buying based on their own emotions and subjective ideas, rather than facts and objective decissions based on verified information. What nowadays would be simply known as blatant marketing. And people often behave like hardcore fans and followers, but they don't realize they are putting people they don't even know nothing about in a pedestal. It happened to me as well in the past, perhaps until I met my own idols and realized they were ordinary people and sometimes even worse. And of course, many were using other people's work and rarely crediting that with transparency. Unfortunately it's hard to find honorable characters within the Cannabis industry, because Cannabis is the ultimate money plant, it always has been and people often get blinded by money and fame.

Cheers.

 

[troutman]

^^^ It's sad when people charge a lot for seed packs and/or ripoff fellow breeders.

When I see a seed pack worth over $100 and a fairy tale story of where they came from I walk away.

Anyone grow out Santa Marta Gold from seeds collected from Black Tuna Gang shipments a long time ago?

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

So, is CG 72 really from 1972?

 

[Im'One]

Was the underground seeds/tropicalseeds/jgl cg72 from vibes collective then?



Anyone know where world of seeds got theirs?

 

[Breadwizard]

I have a Colombian gold that I think came from WOS (I was gifted the seed from a friend, they didn't Recall were it came from other than it was ordered through seedsman, which points to WOS. Grows with thin leaves, but flowered way too fast to be pure.

Where did the Breeder's Retail/HHF Santa Marta Colombian Gold line come from? I've got a Zapotec from norstar, apparently the SMCG came from there.

 

[@hempy]

During all this years researching about Cannabis history and the seed industry, interviewing several characters and meeting a bunch of others, I got to find out that unfortuntely most "legendary breeders" and laureated seed companies are sitting on a big pile of bullshit, yet people keep buying based on their own emotions and subjective ideas, rather than facts and objective decissions based on verified information. What nowadays would be simply known as blatant marketing. And people often behave like hardcore fans and followers, but they don't realize they are putting people they don't even know nothing about in a pedestal. It happened to me as well in the past, perhaps until I met my own idols and realized they were ordinary people and sometimes even worse. And of course, many were using other people's work and rarely crediting that with transparency. Unfortunately it's hard to find honorable characters within the Cannabis industry, because Cannabis is the ultimate money plant, it always has been and people often get blinded by money and fame.

Cheers.

Great post

 

[Nexus7]

So, is CG 72 really from 1972?

I highly doubt it but just my opinion. Don't get me wrong it's about as a pure and heirloomy Sativa as one can expect to get these days but I find it hard to believe that someone had the smarts to successfully store seed from 30+ years ago. There just wasn't enough info out there at the time about how to suitably store seeds for decades.

Possibly it was originally grown in '72 and open pollinated in a Colombian field each year with little selection and without contamination and collected and stored maybe in the 80's sometime?

 

[Nexus7]

Was the underground seeds/tropicalseeds/jgl cg72 from vibes collective then?

Yes. They were initially from Crippled Crow but given to JGL (of vibes collective) who faithfully reproduced them and made them available for purchase under the USC brand. TSC just re-sold those same USC seeds.