Colorado Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Get Raided!

[monsoon]

LOL.... we were 30 years ahead of you on the move so we know the struggles of moving here across country as well as the challenges and risks involved with growing here illegally far before it was commonplace and folks tossed up neon pot leaves in storefronts and bought their balls from the State.

I remember this day well as I was working in the local headshop at that point in time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/15/the-fitter-at-40-a-bould_n_3082198.html In addition, I had just plugged my first 1000 watt light in the week before. Nah...no big deal growing in Colorado or being a stoner back in the pre=med days like in the "south" or other places. It's >always< been a cakewalk growing here in CO. LOFL. Hardly.

Yer probably right about 64 as far as the late-comers....but in all honesty the folks who lived here long before that who were >truly< into weed had already hit the streets and petitioned to change the laws (cover their ass) over a decade before 64 was even a thought, and, like me, aren't affected (or restricted) by 64 whatsoever.

Bottom line, we've never needed the state's OK to grow weed here...ever. ;-)

grow on

 

[Harry Gypsna]

LOL.... we were 30 years ahead of you on the move so we know the struggles of moving here across country as well as the challenges and risks involved with growing here illegally far before it was commonplace and folks tossed up neon pot leaves in storefronts and bought their balls from the State.

I remember this day well as I was working in the local headshop at that point in time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/15/the-fitter-at-40-a-bould_n_3082198.html In addition, I had just plugged my first 1000 watt light in the week before. Nah...no big deal growing in Colorado or being a stoner back in the pre=med days like in the "south" or other places. It's >always< been a cakewalk growing here in CO. LOFL. Hardly.

Yer probably right about 64 as far as the late-comers....but in all honesty the folks who lived here long before that who were >truly< into weed had already hit the streets and petitioned to change the laws (cover their ass) over a decade before 64 was even a thought, and, like me, aren't affected (or restricted) by 64 whatsoever.

Bottom line, we've never needed the state's OK to grow weed here...ever. ;-)

grow on

Live your life like it's legal. This is my motto.

 

[Avinash.miles]

Yer probably right about 64 as far as the late-comers....but in all honesty the folks who lived here long before that who were >truly< into weed had already hit the streets and petitioned to change the laws (cover their ass) over a decade before 64 was even a thought, and, like me, aren't affected (or restricted) by 64 whatsoever.

Bottom line, we've never needed the state's OK to grow weed here...ever. ;-)

wasn't your friend locked up in CO? seems like that is one way 64 will affect us all... fewer of our friends will be locked up because of cannabis in colorado.

 

[supermanlives]

I wondered how long it would take. we should of had a pool and guessed a date. cause it was inevitable. did they tap into the cameras systems and hit record? cause I guessed that too. all is being recorded for em just plug in. fuck that

 

[supermanlives]

I hate to see anyone get busted ever. I certainly don't trust the govt...any piece of it.

But...

. Get legal, don't get greedy, and you can make a solid living doing something you love.

stay private and fuck the man and you can make a solid living.

 

[Jhhnn]

What a lot of people seem to be howling about is that they want it both ways- to legally grow as much cannabis as they want, pay no taxes on it, and yet make black market profit margins on it at the same time.

Guess what? If cannabis were entirely legal & totally unregulated, the profit margins would be next to nothing, not much better than sweet corn in season. It'd all be grown outdoors in big fields or small garden plots for personal consumption. Only he best of the best would fetch much of a price at all, like estate bottled wine. Indoor cultivation would disappear entirely.

I'm all in favor of it, but that's not gonna happen. The truth is that we won, just not everything. I doubt that those who profit from illegal cannabis would see it as winning, either.

Can't have it both ways. Can't make a lot of money off totally deregulated cannabis unless you're Cargill or Con Agra. The only way small for profit growers will survive in Colorado is to step up their game to get legal & find a niche in the market, medical or retail, or to stay illegal & undercut the retail price, with all the attendant risks.

Taxes & regulation are the price of legalization, just like booze at the end of Prohibition. I'm sure that a lot of small time bootleggers went out of business then, one way or another, and there's no difference today.

 

[turboregal231]

I cant speak for all the places hit but i used to work for Laszlo and Wendy bagi and they are crooked pieces of shit. Swiss medical, lucky 7`s, and peoples choice are all connected to them.They fucked over everyone they came in contact with from other business owners, employees, contractors and anyone else they could fuck for a dollar. They are pure trash. They sell garbage meds and dont give a shit about anyone but themselves. I almost lost my job for cutting down a moldy plant. They throw every plant thru a trim machine, flash dry then throw on the shelfs. I know for a fact the nice plants me and another guy grew never made it to any stores, they were cut down and removed from the warehouse over the weekends. I never smoked any product from any of their grows. These people need to be raided and shutdown. In this particular case the feds stepping in was actually a favor to the patients.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not TRUE. How many strains can you compare when you are only allowed THREE plants in flower at any given time?

Their RULES about the number of house plants that you may have in your own home are IMMORAL.

Let's do the math wrt personal growing. As newbies, potzers, amateurs, the wife & I get slightly under 3 oz of dried bud per plant w/ 6 plants under a 1000w bulb in organic soil. That's 30 days veg & 70 days flower. Growing fems, we can overlap the veg of the next batch, obtaining a yield of 16-18 oz every 70 days or so. We don't have to monocrop, either, and are free to grow up to 6 different varieties from 6 plants. That's right at 1/8 oz per person per day, every day, forever.

Neither one of us wants to be baked continuously, every day, so we end up with some surplus even being sociable in the process. YMMV, of course.

Growing clones, which we should be able to get legally & anonymously after Jan 1, it turns over faster than that. If we want greater yield, we get better technique, like vertical hydro. Gettogro & others obtain much, much greater yield than I ever dreamed of, pounds per plant every 90 days or so.

With only a modicum of self control, it's not difficult at all to have several varieties on hand at any given time. And, hey, if we go nuts, smoke the living shit out of it, we'll just buy more at our favorite retail outlet, like buying sixpacks of Bud or bottles of wine. No scrounging around if my guy happens to be out, because he'll never be out. No settling for shit weed, either.

I suspect that a lot of home growers will ignore plant count rules somewhat, if they never tell & never sell, never let anybody see their grow. Neither the smell of pot smoke or the smell of pot growing are grounds for a state level search warrant in Colorado. The chances of the Feds getting into it under such circumstances are extremely remote, as well.

Even in Colorado, treat your personal grow as if it were an illegal grow for a low stress paranoia free experience.

 

[Hydrosun]

These guys were being sued in state court a month before the raids. Now the feds have come in and grabbed everything before the defrauded investors could have their day in court.

Crazy world.

 

[TheCleanGame]

What a lot of people seem to be howling about is that they want it both ways- to legally grow as much cannabis as they want, pay no taxes on it, and yet make black market profit margins on it at the same time.

Guess what? If cannabis were entirely legal & totally unregulated, the profit margins would be next to nothing, not much better than sweet corn in season. It'd all be grown outdoors in big fields or small garden plots for personal consumption. Only he best of the best would fetch much of a price at all, like estate bottled wine. Indoor cultivation would disappear entirely.

Screw money from cannabis...

This country needs the bolded part to be true. I, for one, would MUCH rather have cannabis legal and not screwing this country and it's people with prohibition than save the possibility of making money off of it.

We need to heal the damage that prohibition has done to this country and the people in it.

Cannabis should be as legislated as lettuce, tomatoes or corn. The very fact that it is not is the root of all this stupidity in the first place.

Keep it Clean!

 

[Stonefree69]

Cannabis should be as legislated as lettuce, tomatoes or corn. The very fact that it is not is the root of all this stupidity in the first place.

Keep it Clean!

Yeah stupid crazy self interest big gov laws over a plant. Bet you could still grow hemlock.

 

[barnyard]

stood up with Brian today in front of a judge and spoke the truth...CO proud I am.

 

[Jhhnn]

With all due respect, Av.....it's apparent you weren't here before 2008...when we had as much heat here as "the dirty south". In fact, until about 2007 patients were getting RAIDED here for their legal counts and making the front page....for growing 6 plants w/ a card.
You just waltzed in late enough (after Holder/Ogden memo, obviously) when the registry went from 3K to 150K patients and the cops had had enough fuckin with it all to not care anymore.

I'd really like to see you try to tell my buddy in prison how much "easier/safer" growing here in the 90's was.

Either way...change has come....for better or worse.

We're just growin here...and avoiding playing into any of their games. We give it away to friends and do what we can to devalue it further. Then we grow more.

same as it ever was.

g'luck

I have to respect the people who grew all those years when I didn't. And I have to respect anybody who had what it took to be a med grower back when all this started in Colorado.

It's a big part of what brought us to A64. And I think it's created a virtual army of people growing it, smoking it, and giving it away, all within the law. There is no other place on earth where we can just grow in an entirely legal way. Playing their plant count game by the rules is the get out of jail free card for a lot of new & returning home growers.

The more it unfolds, the more I see A64 as truly brilliant in many respects. The personal growing provisions are an enormous victory with incredible lasting effect. They insure that there's no going back, ever.

We won. It's hard to believe. And the more people who participate in that victory, the better. That's how we'll keep on winning.

 

[monsoon]

All so very true Jhnnnn. It's a great gig for individual growers.


But....we need to proceed with caution. the folks who place their "OK" on ANY MJ grow without looking deeper into who is behind that grow...like the cartels/Columian nationals of late...are fools who do as much harm to this movement as those growing illegally. <WHO< do p grows. cartel-linked and crime organized their with asses our of all up it ramming guys big the as this kill to much will grow that behind is <>
NEVER take this for granted. Look at Montana for proof. Clowns came in from all over and BLEW UP their program...and after a good shit show that couldn't be ignored...the lawmakers CHANGED THE LAW and yanked the rug out from under EVERYONE. Feds already said they'd shut this down if it gets (more) out of control.... and they will if folks aren't smart about what they say/do. So far...folks aren't being too smart.

More individuals comin here to grow for >themselves<...yes. More big boys comin here to fuck our market and bring heat to all of us....no....don't need em here. Already enough clowns as it is...

 

[Chevy cHaze]

The poor dea's just scared...
Imagine if Cannabis was legal on a federal level, more than half of the guys would be out of a job.
I guess they could try for an occupational retraining paid by the government to become garderners ( probably more needed by that time) or nurses or anything actually doing something FOR their communities. Might give them a totally new and positive perspective on life!
That would of course all have to be federally funded and subsidized, like the miners in europe f.ex.who can't all be laid off righaway just because the coal from australia is cheaper and because of that the whole industry is dying and has no future.

Then again, not sure if they can qualify for a retraining after raping the constitution for decades...Maybe they should all be sent to jail...that privat prison system needs to be fed anyways and the poeple behind that sick idea are the ones the dea probably gets their orders from in the first place...

 

[Harry Gypsna]

Getting the Cartels out of the business, is one of main pro legalisation arguments.
you need to get rid of those fuckers by any means.
Locals should be burning them out.

 

[Jhhnn]

All so very true Jhnnnn. It's a great gig for individual growers.


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NEVER take this for granted. Look at Montana for proof. Clowns came in from all over and BLEW UP their program...and after a good shit show that couldn't be ignored...the lawmakers CHANGED THE LAW and yanked the rug out from under EVERYONE. Feds already said they'd shut this down if it gets (more) out of control.... and they will if folks aren't smart about what they say/do. So far...folks aren't being too smart.

More individuals comin here to grow for >themselves<...yes. More big boys comin here to fuck our market and bring heat to all of us....no....don't need em here. Already enough clowns as it is...

Agreed. OTOH, Colorado lawmakers can't yank the rug out from under personal growing in our State. It's our constitutionally protected right at the State level. The Feds may well thwart Retail, but they'd be on an impossible mission shutting down personal growing. It's already way too widespread, and getting bigger fast. They don't have the resources w/o local help, and strictly personal growing doesn't violate DoJ guidelines, anyway.

Let's face it- we all have a certain admiration for successful outlaw producers & importers. We've depended on them in the past as they reaped both the rewards & the penalties.

OTOH, A64 is a sea change, a whole new very toker friendly way of doing things. It promises to be enormously better than the old way. Using the cover of A64 for large outlaw grows threatens that, no matter who's doing it- Colombians or Colorado natives. Like it or not, their demise is part of the price of legalization. Both state & federal enforcement will be aimed squarely at illegal large scale producers & exporters of Colorado cannabis. Only the smartest & the luckiest will survive. They'll receive little sympathy from tokers who get theirs through legal means, and even less from legal producers.

I say that in am utterly dispassionate way as an observer of the facts. That's just the way it is now, different from the way it used to be.

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[Jhhnn]

The poor dea's just scared...
Imagine if Cannabis was legal on a federal level, more than half of the guys would be out of a job.
I guess they could try for an occupational retraining paid by the government to become garderners ( probably more needed by that time) or nurses or anything actually doing something FOR their communities. Might give them a totally new and positive perspective on life!
That would of course all have to be federally funded and subsidized, like the miners in europe f.ex.who can't all be laid off righaway just because the coal from australia is cheaper and because of that the whole industry is dying and has no future.

Then again, not sure if they can qualify for a retraining after raping the constitution for decades...Maybe they should all be sent to jail...that privat prison system needs to be fed anyways and the poeple behind that sick idea are the ones the dea probably gets their orders from in the first place...

The DEA still has enormous job security wrt meth, cocaine, heroin & the illegal distribution of pharmaceuticals. They'll find a way to get by. When & if we go the way of Portugal is when they'll be in trouble.

 

[TheCleanGame]

The DEA still has enormous job security wrt meth, cocaine, heroin & the illegal distribution of pharmaceuticals. They'll find a way to get by. When & if we go the way of Portugal is when they'll be in trouble.

You don't get it...

With the legalization of cannabis... all the other drug usage goes way down. Hell... the majority of construction workers in this nation do meth... because it doesn't show up on their piss tests more than 3 days later.

They'd MUCH rather be using cannabis but that shows up in urine even a month later for some folks.

Keep it Clean!

 

[Harry Gypsna]

You don't get it...

With the legalization of cannabis... all the other drug usage goes way down. Hell... the majority of construction workers in this nation do meth... because it doesn't show up on their piss tests more than 3 days later.

They'd MUCH rather be using cannabis but that shows up in urine even a month later for some folks.

Keep it Clean!

Never once, have I ever thought...

"You know what would be a good substitute for mellow relaxing Cannabis, Meth, one of the most powerful stimulants known to man."

If I'm honest, the 1st time I bought Heroin, it was because my hash dealer had been robbed, but that was more about my horror of spending a night sober than harder drugs being an alternative.

People take the drugs that they take because, shock horror, they like them.

We can't pretend that Cannabis only legalisation will solve all the problems.
The idea that all (or IMO even a sizeable minority of) the junkies, will put down the blackened spoons, tin foil and glass roses because weed is available, is optimistic at best... Crack addicts are not sitting on the sofa saying "As soon is weed is legal, no more Kibble for me"

If you can't keep the Cartels out, that will be used as evidence that legalisation can't work. I think this is being set up to fail. So you need to take strong action against the unsavoury elements if there is any hope of a sane model spreading across the states and eventually the world. I wasn't kidding when I said you should burn them out.
I lived on a travellers site that was supposed to be smack free. A couple of vans turned up, and they started selling gear, both to people on site, and to locals (no surer way of bringing the wrath of the authorities on a convoy).
One day they went to town, and came back to the site to find their vans, trailers and all their worldly goods smoldering.