Colorado marijuana prices see huge drop, drug cartels reeling

[shredGnar]

Unless you sequencely harvest many different types with different maturation dates? Also Autos year round, and even unheated greenhouses for extra late NLD varieties. Or have the farm as far south as you can.
-SamS

My bad. .I misread the 10k per acre.

What would people, like me, who live in high Country colorado do then?

Autos limit your strain selection, and there are few climates that could grow bud year round to have staggered harvests. .. so to supply the whole country you're talking about harvesting, packaging and transport.

You don't believe climate controlled greenhouses will be the future? Could even rock em here in the rocky mountains. .

Environments could be controlled to maintain phenotypical expression while still slashing electricity costs...

Or do you believe people will no longer want to stop by the 'weed store' and pick out and fondle their bud before
Purchasing? More like buying a pack of malboros, as many have made the comparison?

Also, sorry, what is nld? Not real hip to outdoor terms. ..

 

[aridbud]

what is nld?

Karl Hilliig, who authored 2003 article" Genetic evidence for speciation Cannabis" uses NLD (narrow leaf dominant) and WLD (wide leaf dominant)and has chosen to classify all drug cannabis as Cannabis indica, either NLD types, Narrow Leaflet Dominant, or WLD, Wide Leaflet Dominant.

So Haze would be Cannabis indica NLD --- it's roots are in NLD tropical ganja ; so would Thai, Kerala etc.

A typical Afghani would be Cannabis indica WLD .

Acronyms NLD, etc. are used in marijuana botany and encyclopedic references.

 

[shredGnar]

what is nld?

Karl Hilliig, who authored 2003 article" Genetic evidence for speciation Cannabis" uses NLD (narrow leaf dominant) and WLD (wide leaf dominant)and has chosen to classify all drug cannabis as Cannabis indica, either NLD types, Narrow Leaflet Dominant, or WLD, Wide Leaflet Dominant.

So Haze would be Cannabis indica NLD --- it's roots are in NLD tropical ganja ; so would Thai, Kerala etc.

A typical Afghani would be Cannabis indica WLD .

Acronyms NLD, etc. are used in marijuana botany and encyclopedic references.

Thanks, bro

 

[dddaver]

So Haze would be Cannabis indica NLD

Actually, "Haze refers to a Cannabis sativa-dominant strain. Haze has high THC and low CBD content and is known for its psychedelic effects, sometimes referred to colloquially as "ampheta-weed" for their uplifting qualities"

 

[aridbud]

A chemotaxonomic analysis of cannabinoid variation in Cannabis (Cannabaceae)

Karl W. Hillig and Paul G. Mahlberg
Author Affiliations
Department of Biology, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana 47405 USA
Received for publication 19 June 2003.
Accepted for publication 12 February 2004.

Loosely translated article where it mentions Haze as "tropical indica".
Agree it would seem to be narrow leaf (sativa), but not according to the experts and article.

 

[dddaver]

I'm not arguing, nor about to sis. I just copied and pasted the Googled definition of haze. Myself, I would have to question the authenticity of whatever these "experts" (former drips? ) wrote if that is even questioned.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Haze is a NLD variety, all drug varieties are Cannabis Indica.
Haze was called a Sativa, in the past, because we did not understand Cannabis.
Now we are guided by DNA studies that confirm hypothesis first put forward by Karl Hillig, we will continue to update our thinking as new facts emerge from work like the Phylos Cannabis family tree, Cannabis evolution and Cannabis relationships, as well as other groups DNA work with Cannabis, bit by bit the truth is revealed and history is cleared and explained.
I find it exciting.
-SamS

 

[EsterEssence]

I saw Rob talk about this, it is truly exciting, is a game changer to our train of thought.

 

[dddaver]

You mean to tell me that indisputable, undeniably superior, computer giant Google is wrong here? Say it ain't so Joe. Say it ain't so.

 

[Jellyfish]

It's so. I looked it up on Wikipedia.

 

[Sforza]

what is nld?

Karl Hilliig, who authored 2003 article" Genetic evidence for speciation Cannabis" uses NLD (narrow leaf dominant) and WLD (wide leaf dominant)and has chosen to classify all drug cannabis as Cannabis indica, either NLD types, Narrow Leaflet Dominant, or WLD, Wide Leaflet Dominant.

Thanks for pointing me towards that article. But NLD does not stand for narrow leaf dominant, it stands for narrow-leaflet drug.

From the article: "—Mean THC levels were significantly higher in the narrow-leaflet drug (NLD) and wide-leaflet drug (WLD) biotypes of C. indica"

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I have seen NLD as Narrow Leaf Drug, Narrow leaf Dominate and NLDB Narrow Lead Drug Biotype, but all I need is NLD and that is what I use.
Part of the reason is because WLD is maybe easily confused with WILD, it is not wild, so Karl added WLDB to avoid any confusions with WILD.
I vote for NLD, WLD, NLH, WLH. Simple and easy, now add Cannabinoid & terpene profiles and %'s as well as flowering onset and maturation info and you can use a database to pick what could be useful for an end goal. Yields and pest and disease resistance info would be nice also.
-SamS

 

[MJPassion]

Cities limit the number of liquor licenses they sell, states limit the number of distilleries they'll license, it's no different with Cannabis.
This is the perfect example of "alcohol prohibition" still in effect. If one entity controls the market in such a way as to exclude certain groups, prohibition is most certainly in effect.

People talking about amazing things many years ago all seem to have one thing in common... they can't find those things now.

High quality outdoor has been harvested in large amounts for years in the pacific rim, both in the east and the west, the price varies with times, the economy, and the mood of the government, this is just another curve in the trend.

Loving this sentiment that only large land owners should be able to make a living growing cannabis, as if cannabis really were like corn or wheat, something to be thrown in a field and picked through by machines. I don't care if someone smuggles some of my personal genetics to Marlboro, i'm still not smoking that.

Who said anything about large land owners being the only farmers? Do you know about CSAs? A model such as that would be ideal, imo.

And I still say, unless an individual is incapable of doing the work themselves or they are in a situation that disallows growing their own, Coloradans, Alaskans, Oregonians, Washatonians & District of Columbia residents are foolish to not be growing their own supply, leaving only consumers from not so legal places to support the market(s).

I've no Cali dispensary experience but the ones I've visited in Colorado, so far, have ridiculous pricing still.

The only involvement need by governing organizations is Quality Control of products sold to consumers. Nothing more. Taxes aren't even necessary but smaller government is!

WTF happened to "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness"!
None of that can exist when governing agencies are constantly overstepping their authoratative limits telling We The People how we can live our lives.

(on to the last two pages)

 

[MJPassion]

I won't argue that quality cannabis can be grown multi acre outdoor for few dollars. I've never done it, you have and I believe you. I just really don't think I see the pot tree farm being the way of the future.

How many people really area going to drive out to a pot farm to chop down a tree, haul it home, dry and manicure, when they just want to smoke a bowl?

A proper environment is critical to the dry, are folks really going to be setting up drying rooms in their home for their take home pot tree?

Sure Christmas tree farms are a success, however people like to make a family tradition once a year to go chop down their tree. It doesn't seem as feasible for a commodity that many use frequently, even multiple times a day.

You can go to a farm and pick strawberries for a discount, but how many people do that compared to buying them harvested, cleaned and packaged at the store?

As many have pointed out, you can buy loose bulk tobacco for a few bucks a pound, but millions still pay $6+ for a half an ounce of shitty machine processed machine rolled cigarettes.

Americans pay for convenience, they don't want to learn a new trick. They want to go to the store and pick up a product ready to use.

I have no doubt, if possible, that Sam the skunk man's farm would be a success, just don't see that being the norm.

Also, you said earlier you can plant 10,000 large plants on an acre? Is that accurate? I was reading on Christmas tree farms after I read your post. They claim a 6'x6' footprint allows for approx 1200 trees per acre. $12k an acre is much better than most large monocrop farms.

Additionally, what would you do about the harvest window? Christmas trees can be cut down anytime. But at your pot farm wouldn't you need to sell every plant within a week or so to ensure they are harvested at their premium?

fixed it...

 

[MJPassion]

A chemotaxonomic analysis of cannabinoid variation in Cannabis (Cannabaceae)

Karl W. Hillig and Paul G. Mahlberg
Author Affiliations
Department of Biology, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana 47405 USA
Received for publication 19 June 2003.
Accepted for publication 12 February 2004.

Loosely translated article where it mentions Haze as "tropical indica".
Agree it would seem to be narrow leaf (sativa), but not according to the experts and article.

I'm not arguing, nor about to sis. I just copied and pasted the Googled definition of haze. Myself, I would have to question the authenticity of whatever these "experts" (former drips? ) wrote if that is even questioned.

What the experts say... only really matters to them. If it adds clarity to a discussion, use the new terminology as defined.
But...
for the average consumer... who really cares how the plants are put into sub groups? We like haze... We smoke haze.

@Sam... I know what it means but why are some folks using the acronym BLD? Where did that originate?

 

[SooperSmurph]

I've no Cali dispensary experience but the ones I've visited in Colorado, so far, have ridiculous pricing still.

Cali dispensary rates are scary compared to Colorado ones, and it took years for prices to get this low, the dispensary prices used to be the same black market prices, the numbers have crept down slowly as the number of providers grew, and now in the wake of legalization has destabilized entirely, with some places charging gouging prices and some places discounting everything.

 

[aridbud]

Thanks for pointing me towards that article. But NLD does not stand for narrow leaf dominant, it stands for narrow-leaflet drug.

From the article: "—Mean THC levels were significantly higher in the narrow-leaflet drug (NLD) and wide-leaflet drug (WLD) biotypes of C. indica"

True, but if you read through other articles published in American Journal of Botany, "drug" and "dominant" are used synonymously describing NLD, etc. Confusing, I know! I found 2 references, used simultaneously and went with "dominant" vs. drug, (in his classifications) as in his several techno speak articles. That's what I understood Hillig to write/explore. Either way, it's denoting species. We would more commonly call them sativa or indica, but yet ruderalis is a species of Cannabaceae (Cannabis). Several articles by Hillig and others claim hybrid.

It's merely semantics......

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

What the experts say... only really matters to them. If it adds clarity to a discussion, use the new terminology as defined.
But...
for the average consumer... who really cares how the plants are put into sub groups? We like haze... We smoke haze.

@Sam... I know what it means but why are some folks using the acronym BLD? Where did that originate?

It is really the same WLD is called BLD, Wide Leaf Drug or Broad Leaf Drug, again it avoids the connection with WILD.
-Sams

 

[UptownChill]

This is exactly the point I've tried to make.

This is exactly the point I've tried to make.

Who said anything about large land owners being the only farmers? Do you know about CSAs? A model such as that would be ideal, imo.

And I still say, unless an individual is incapable of doing the work themselves or they are in a situation that disallows growing their own, Coloradans, Alaskans, Oregonians, Washatonians & District of Columbia residents are foolish to not be growing their own supply, leaving only consumers from not so legal places to support the market(s).

I've no Cali dispensary experience but the ones I've visited in Colorado, so far, have ridiculous pricing still.

The only involvement need by governing organizations is Quality Control of products sold to consumers. Nothing more. Taxes aren't even necessary but smaller government is!

WTF happened to "life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness"!
None of that can exist when governing agencies are constantly overstepping their authoratative limits telling We The People how we can live our lives.

(on to the last two pages)

You can grow your on weed for a few dimes a gram on a micro scale. With good genes I can grow 1 or 2 plants that will provide me 3 to 6 months worth of meds. And it can be done using dank genetics, reasonably priced nutes(hempy bucket-Lucas Formula) and cheap medium like $10-$20 worth of perlite that can be used over and over again. My electric is like .11. For 2 plants 250 watts is fine. I did the math adding up all the consumables and a few dimes is on the high side. If you are growing for personal it takes a few minutes every other day to mix and ph nutes. Of course if takes a while to trim, but you can trim several ounces in several hours and like I said, that's 3 to 6 months worth. It probably costs less than the same amount you spend on coffee in the same 3 to 6 months.

I think where the argument started is I and others were talking about costs to grow in a legal enviro. Others are growing in illegal markets and of course it should cost more. Who's gonna take the risk and not get paid well? All a I can say to those guys is as it is legalized, if you want to keep charging those premiums, you might just have to move your product into other illegal environments as the legalize movement continues. I think in ten years half the states will be legal. But, just like the Lottery is still not legalized in a handful of states, there will be illegal states for a long time to come. But, as investing grows in the legal areas becomes more and more common place, prices will fall from competition. WHOLESALE. And if there is a remaining over supply. I could see that product moving into the illegal areas and having some effect there as well. Anyway. Just my couple of dimes a gram worth.

 

[sprinkl]

Comparing growing to building a website are apples and oranges. It takes real effort first of all to understand how to create a website and use the code, versus mixing up some nutes and watering a plant a few times a week. If I have a serious need for a professional website, hands down I will gladly pay someone to either build it for me, or buy a template and patch in what I need.

I thought we were talking topshelf. People with no experience produce mids at best. They might get lucky a couple of times but consistent topshelf, I dunno. To get everything out of your plants you need a thorough understanding of it.
I haven't seen any chem grown topshelf either, not saying it doesn't exist, just that I haven't seen it yet where I live.

Learning how to build a website isn't too hard if you have some background in IT and are truly interested in it, same as with plants imo.

Kinda the same but different with growing veggies. Yes I like to garden, but what I can get at the grocery store or farmers market is so cheap I don't need to so I let the guys who have chosen and love that career to do it for me. It's just cheap.

I grow as much veggies as I can even though in the season they practically give it away for free. My shit just tastes way better and it's natural. I don't believe organic labels. I don't grow the supermarket varieties either, a lot of people don't even know there's more thab one type of tomato or cucumber.

Once weed gets legal the people that will grow will most likely be those that are used to better quality, not because of price - unless taxes are stupid high. I probably wouldn't risk growing pot if I could just buy good organic weed for a fair price but I can't, not even for ridiculous prices.

At $200-$300 an O for weed. I will just grow my own thanks. I'll spend more time mowing grass in a week than I'll spend growing a couple of plants for a few Os that will cost a couple of bucks tops.

Yeah, cutting grass would be a better example versus growing your own. Because just about anyone can drive or push a mower. Like almost anyone can grow a little top shelf weed.

Yeah bro you need to sit down and develop a website. The learning alone will take hours and days. Totally different.