Colorado House Bill 1284

[cannagirl]

What do you consider real quality? It's obviously something you're pretty passionate about.

quality meds are meds that actually do something for you when you smoke them other than putting carcinogens into your lungs, wether it be help with pain or nausea or whatever the ailment may be. Its bud that you know was loved on, you can just tell. The buds transfer the energy of the grower and if you are simply doing it to make money and, not first and foremost for the love of the plant, then the energy transferred wont be the same as coming from a grower who loves there plants and takes pride in providing the best meds around. Quality meds need to be disease and pest free, not loaded with pesticides right up to harvest. I dont mind bud off of plants that have been pre-treated in veg to avoid potential problems in bloom, but spraying chems on plants in bloom is a criminal offense or at least it should be. Its bud that has had the excess salt removed through flushing the plant with fresh water the last 3 -6 weeks of a plants life, depending on the flower time of course. So when you burn a joint you are not smoking excess phosphates and nitrates. It should be dried and cured, so the sweet smell of sinsemilla waifs through the air as you open the jar. It should have a decent trim job, I dont want fan leaves in my bag, a few of the leaves that wrap around the bud as its drying is ok, but fan leaves, brown dried krusty leaves and stems are a no no in my opinion. Premie or ever rippened weed should also be noted as a no no, 25% to even half amber trichs are good but any more and its just a little to done IMO.

These are my views on what quality bud should be, I would love to hear others views.

 

[paint4420]

the diffrence between quality and crap is the amount of love put into them, period.

 

[Dorje113]

good bud is like porn, you know it when you see (+smoke) it

 

[Balazar]

Good bud is bud that hasn't had spider mites and mildew all over that is then trimmed extremely close to hide its flaws. Bud that hasn't been cut early before flushing is completed so that it can be sold by a certain deadline. Bud with no coloring additives that make it look purple and taste like burning. Bud that doesn't have poisonous pesticides in it that are applied because the grower wanted to cheaply defeat amateur bug problems. Good bud is hard to define but some goods signs are: It burns to white ash, has a high density of ripe trichomes, and most important, it causes the desired effect when used. Taste and aroma help too but are really a matter of personal preference as are the genetic makeup and ratios of active chemicals.

I'm not prejudice towards dispensaries but it seems an awful lot like most of the ones that are still in business are not setting the bar very high. I guess they have a monopoly now so they don't really have to.

 

[Rednick]

good bud is like porn, you know it when you see (+smoke) it

For me it is one word: "Daaaannnkk"

Balazar: Correct you are, no business to be in like a monopoly. Especially a monopoly where the gov't doesn't regulate the pricing!

 

[HokuLoa]

Tharmer

Nice reply. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you failed miserably. I guess cultivating ignorance is of more value to you than truth or knowledge. Since you are unable to debate with a brain you are clearly unworthy of time or attention. Wallow in peace...

Now, what was that thread topic again...?

 

[cannagirl]

Tharmer

Nice reply. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you failed miserably. I guess cultivating ignorance is of more value to you than truth or knowledge. Since you are unable to debate with a brain you are clearly unworthy of time or attention. Wallow in peace...

Now, what was that thread topic again...?

I think as soon as we outed Tharmer as a COP he quit posting...

 

[HokuLoa]

I'm not prejudice towards dispensaries but it seems an awful lot like most of the ones that are still in business are not setting the bar very high. I guess they have a monopoly now so they don't really have to.

You know, I actually kind of find most of the Center owner's/op's "forgivable" for their lack of quality. It really isn't their fault that the State enacted laws that allowed them to rise to the top of the heap while more professional, knowledgeable growers were ousted from the system. Before there was a balance and economically the quality differences were known and would have been affected through market pressure. Also Centers with lesser quality could have more easily gotten help to improve by hiring in more experienced true professionals. Shamefully, the State placed economic/legal issues in a prioritized position to medicinal quality or patient benefit. Really its our representatives' fault and the remaining Center owner/ops are simply filling the void. That void has soooooo many hurdles and time lines it is sort of easy to understand how medicinal quality (and learning how to produce it) is taking a backseat for most. Not that this is "right," but it is understandable given the constraints they are working with...

They better shape up soon though!

 

[SGMeds]

What do they say... when a door closes, a window opens...???


Future has much to bring.

Stay smart. Stay safe. Trust in your craft. ;-)

 

[tharmer]

Tick tock Tick tock, one week to go... don't get left out in the cold...

 

[SGMeds]

Oh tharmer... I know... it was terribly difficult as a kid... would reach out to give ya a hug right now... ;-)

 

[tharmer]

Tharmer in case you havent noticed, you are on a PRO-MMJ site.

Really? It certainly doesn't seem that way. I'm trying to let people know there is still time to get involved in the industry legally and you want to attack me for being a cop? Oh the paranoia in you runs deep...

The law has changed. Bitching about the new law will help nobody except your ego. Rather than exploring the best option for patients, the same model used to distribute all other 'dangerous' drugs, you attack any that disagree with you insisting that only YOU know how to grow high quality weed. I said it before I'll say it again, if you can grow you should own/operate/work at a dispensary. Anything less is harmful to sick people.

How dare you let someone smoke mildew weed when you can help prevent this very real problem. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I'll continue to post in the event there are people out there that are misinformed (by your venomous spew) and still want to get involved.

 

[cannagirl]

Really? It certainly doesn't seem that way. I'm trying to let people know there is still time to get involved in the industry legally and you want to attack me for being a cop? Oh the paranoia in you runs deep...

The law has changed. Bitching about the new law will help nobody except your ego. Rather than exploring the best option for patients, the same model used to distribute all other 'dangerous' drugs, you attack any that disagree with you insisting that only YOU know how to grow high quality weed. I said it before I'll say it again, if you can grow you should own/operate/work at a dispensary. Anything less is harmful to sick people.

How dare you let someone smoke mildew weed when you can help prevent this very real problem. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

I'll continue to post in the event there are people out there that are misinformed (by your venomous spew) and still want to get involved.

First and foremost I am just fine and completely compliant with the new law, so take your nonsense and move on. Second, I do not have PM in my garden and my patients WILL NEVER smoke PM bud, EVER!!! PERIOD!!! Anyone who lets patients smoke mold or mildew should go to hell!


Finally, Tharmer you never answered my question, WHATCHA GROWIN????

 

[tharmer]

Nothing at the moment, just moved into a new house. Something from Barney's Farm or Serious Seeds usually.


Again you missed my point.

As a caregiver you can only supply 5 people, as a dispensary owner/employee you can grow for hundreds of people. Everyone complains dispensary's can't grow yet nobody wants to help them.

Do you not recognize that the vast majority of patients will be served by dispensaries?

Do you not care for the patients who will smoke that weed?

You are claiming to be a superior grower, why not help more than 5 sick people?

 

[ds0110]

if you can grow you should own/operate/work at a dispensary. Anything less is harmful to sick people.

You should let other americans make the decision of where they want to work on their own.

What if you dont want to work for someone else? What if you dont have enough money to jump through their hoops and start a dispensary? What if you just dont want to sacrifice quality for quantity? What if you would rather support local mom and pop gardens over big money/greed?

Im not sure a dispensary grow can micro-manage to the level that I can in a less than industrial size garden. Granted, they have more resources and help, but I dont buy the story that dispensary bud is somehow more healthy or less PM than caregiver product. There is no large scale method that cant be done small scale. There ARE medium scale methods (with higher quality imo) that are too expensive for it to be worth it in a large scale op... I dont believe the best weed in the world was grown in a commercial setting either. And there are amateur growers that work for dispensaries just like there are amateur growers that are CG.

I believe every plant should be grown with meticulous care. Checking every branch of every plant every day is just one task that is practically impossible in most large scale industrial grows. So how is it you assume dispensaries are somehow more careful than professional caregivers when it comes to PM and pests?

edit: and dispensaries arent even mentioned in the constitution. Its debatable whether or not they were ever the intention of the voters that passed the law. CGs and patients are what is mentioned, and their relationship is what the intent of the amendment was really about.

 

[tharmer]

So how is it you assume dispensaries are somehow more careful than professional caregivers when it comes to PM and pests?

I think your assessment is correct there are skilled growers all over Colorado. I certainly do not believe dispensaries provide superior product. Over the last several months growers have trashed dispensaries as providing inferior product in this forum. My point to these growers is they should help sick people if they think they can do it better.

edit: and dispensaries arent even mentioned in the constitution. Its debatable whether or not they were ever the intention of the voters that passed the law.

My legal council made it clear to me that the new law has almost nothing to do with Amendment 20. The new law allows the state to regulate an extra-constitutional industry not considered in Amendment 20. The caregiver model does not apply to the new law, except when a caregiver wants to provide for more than 5 people. According to this lawyer, the argument that will be made is "Amendment 20 offers no limit in the number of patients that can be cared for" and ultimately they hope the 5 patient limit can be thrown out. It's not dispensaries and infused product makers that are against the constitution, but the limit on caregivers may be. I think this aspect of the law is unlikely to change in the next few years as allowing caregivers to manage large grows defeats the states regulatory ability.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

You should let other americans make the decision of where they want to work on their own.

What if you dont want to work for someone else? What if you dont have enough money to jump through their hoops and start a dispensary? What if you just dont want to sacrifice quality for quantity? What if you would rather support local mom and pop gardens over big money/greed?

Im not sure a dispensary grow can micro-manage to the level that I can in a less than industrial size garden. Granted, they have more resources and help, but I dont buy the story that dispensary bud is somehow more healthy or less PM than caregiver product. There is no large scale method that cant be done small scale. There ARE medium scale methods (with higher quality imo) that are too expensive for it to be worth it in a large scale op... I dont believe the best weed in the world was grown in a commercial setting either. And there are amateur growers that work for dispensaries just like there are amateur growers that are CG.

I believe every plant should be grown with meticulous care. Checking every branch of every plant every day is just one task that is practically impossible in most large scale industrial grows. So how is it you assume dispensaries are somehow more careful than professional caregivers when it comes to PM and pests?

edit: and dispensaries arent even mentioned in the constitution. Its debatable whether or not they were ever the intention of the voters that passed the law. CGs and patients are what is mentioned, and their relationship is what the intent of the amendment was really about.

^right on. If I ever actually buy weed wanna support a person who grows organic, flushed, cured weed, and really cares about it. That is my choice, and in a proper capitalist market I should have the choice to do so. I think this is possible still if these growers put there resources together and start a company big enough to compete with the big guys. Then they can provide quality and quantity.

 

[tharmer]

If I ever actually buy weed wanna support a person who grows organic, flushed, cured weed, and really cares about it. That is my choice, and in a proper capitalist market I should have the choice to do so.

Unless you actually see their grow you may never know what goes into the plants. Dispensaries are now required to start labeling the product stating what exactly went into making it (what fertilizer, what pesticides). Caregivers are not held to this standard and unfortunately that means unscrupulous caregivers will lie.

I think this is possible still if these growers put there resources together and start a company big enough to compete with the big guys. Then they can provide quality and quantity.

There is certainly still time, one week in fact.

 

[SGMeds]

Unless you actually see their grow you may never know what goes into the plants. Dispensaries are now required to start labeling the product stating what exactly went into making it (what fertilizer, what pesticides). Caregivers are not held to this standard and unfortunately that means unscrupulous caregivers will lie.

I don't know why tharmer, but u'r kinda getting to me... been pretty amused but...? Just don't know...


Might have something to do with your misplaced disdain & perhaps the inconsistent arguments you haphazardly throw out.

Man, it just comes off as a complete lack in real world experience... especially in the topic you are spouting off about. Much like a cop or gov't emp... u'r just not equipped to hold up to any scrutiny. Hence, the concern on some peoples part.


Seriously... take a deep breath, a step back & chill a little. You really don't know everything... even though you think you do. In fact, you really are pretty far off base on a great deal of what you are saying.

Try listening to some of those that have a great deal of experience... not me mind you, but some of the others you are trashing. Tempered experience trumps youthful elan any day of the week.

Now, this is coming from one sob to another! ;-)

 

[mr. bojangles]

I just wish he'd quit jackin the fuckin thread and move on to another topic. I posted this a couple pages back and would like to get some debate on the matter. Thank you SG for posting your comment before this thread got sidetracked AGAIN.

(V) THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY MAY MAKE AN EXCEPTION, BASED
ON A REQUEST FROM A PATIENT, TO PARAGRAPH (a) OF THIS SUBSECTION (6)
LIMITING PRIMARY CAREGIVERS TO FIVE PATIENTS. IF THE STATE HEALTH
AGENCY MAKES AN EXCEPTION TO THE LIMIT, THE STATE HEALTH AGENCY
SHALL NOTE THE EXCEPTION ON THE PRIMARY CAREGIVER'S RECORD IN THE
REGISTRY.

This is on page 47 of the bill sub section 6. Does this mean that a PC can have more than 5 patients if a patient makes a request to the state,. I'm not sure what the requirements would be. Perhaps a particular caregiver has a certain strain that is better for the patients condition, or the caregiver is willing to provide a more personally tailored caregiving plan for the patient? Anyone else with thoughts on this?