Colorado House Bill 1284

[Xen]

Tharmer: I have summed up what the other posters have typed to save you some time. You don't understand the law, everyone in this thread is sick of you, you're a complete moron, so please, do us all a huge favor and shut the fuck up. Don't say anything because your opinion means literally shit.

Go fuck yourself and quit c*nting up this thread with your horseshit so I can go back to lurking.

 

[TheReleafCenter]

Just a point of clarification:

Operating after August 1st is illegal in the state without local approval AND your application fees and you can be prosecuted criminally, be denied a license in the future, as well as other remedies. Matt Cook released the memo earlier this week saying exactly this.

For updates from the DoR, you can sign up for their mailing list through the website. I'd recommend it.

 

[mr. bojangles]

Just a point of clarification:

Operating after August 1st is illegal in the state without local approval AND your application fees and you can be prosecuted criminally, be denied a license in the future, as well as other remedies. Matt Cook released the memo earlier this week saying exactly this.

For updates from the DoR, you can sign up for their mailing list through the website. I'd recommend it.

Finally a helpful post

 

[tharmer]

Just a point of clarification:

Operating after August 1st is illegal in the state without local approval AND your application fees and you can be prosecuted criminally, be denied a license in the future, as well as other remedies. Matt Cook released the memo earlier this week saying exactly this.

For updates from the DoR, you can sign up for their mailing list through the website. I'd recommend it.

Yea I agree with that, you need two things: application in locally by july 1, 2010 & application and fee filed with the state by Aug 1, 2010. If you don't do those things you are in violation of the law and will be prosecuted. Nothing here contradicts what I stated.

 

[tharmer]

>Done, twice now. You're coming on the ICMag
>internet forums and making things up.

What am I making up, exactly? And you should more carefully read that article you posted, maybe you skipped the last sentence?

"This corrected statistic, however, does not allay the department’s concerns about the dramatic increase in young male applicants, according to Calonge."

Clearly the state is concerned about all the people lying about their chronic pain. Don't pretend you don't know what is really going on. I personally don't care and think everyone should smoke dope, but we're talking about the state's position not mine. Just be more selective when you point at things in an attempt to prove them wrong.

>The days of being able to just rent a storefront and
>open up without a ton of legal advice and upgrades
>(not to mention local permission) are long gone bro.

Actually 20 days gone, not exactly 'long'.

>Sure you might be able to walk in with cash and
>become a partner with an existing shop,

Yep.

>But opening your own new shop is practically out
>of the question in most jurisdictions.

Oh no dude. Don't come in here and post and tell me I don't know that I'm talking about. Your statement above is absolutely wrong in ALL jurisdictions in Colorado. Anybody even thinking of 'opening a new shop' should stop right now and sit down.

Nobody in the world can open a new dispensary in Colorado (one that was not operating on July 1) and do anything other than end up in jail. The only way you can open a new shop in CO is to wait until July 1, 2011. It's not 'practically' out of the question, it's "out of the question". But you can still negotiate to become a license holder.

 

[tharmer]

Then please explain the foreign (as in not even from this continent) investors in the link I posted for you. []Were not making this shit up man.

I recognize that there are people from all around the world who are watching Colorado. Some have moved here, some have invested from afar. They exist today and will continue to exist in this industry. There is little to keep them away.

My experience has been, in talking with owners, that most are local people who saw an opportunity and are trying hard to realize the American dream. These neighbors are good people, the foreign people can piss off.

It's the nature of the beast, like in the goldrush, people all around the world are getting their wagons ready and printing banners that say "Pikes Peak or Bust". They are coming. Find the locals and help them, continue to avoid shopping at the Farmacy.

Wasn't someone going to write up a blacklist of foreign dispensaries?

 

[tharmer]

Spleef,

>Why would I care if they are really sick, or kind of sick?

The point I tried to make is that if you were the caregiver for truly sick people (ie. people with MS, people with cancer, people who are terminally ill) then you would open a dispensary to care for them. You wouldn't sit back and say 'i can't do it, it might be too expensive' you would just do it. In your case I am stating that you have demonstrated you do not have 6 really sick people under your care.


On your costs to open a dispensary I realize that you were just trying to prove your point so you through down a bunch of numbers that add to a high total. I am a businessman. I own a small company and have since 1997. I have personally done business with a number of large well known companies. I know how to run a business, and do it profitably (something many dispensary owners have not yet learned).

Let me trash your numbers:

Costs to open an MMC:
5K City License
-- only in Denver, Boulder and Lakewood. Most cities do not have such a high priced license fee. I do expect all cities to ultimately adopt the Denver model and charge a large fee for the local license. So I would pay 0 for this option in my town.

13K State License, Grow License, BOND
-- you don't understand what a bond is. You don't actually need to come up with the $5k you just need to buy and insurance policy that will pay the state $5000 if you fail the tests. I'm guessing this insurance will run $500. So this fee goes from $13,000 to $7,500.

15K Security System, Security Windows, Security Doors
-- ROFL. Dreamland dude. Your security system with 10 cameras will run about 5k and it can be financed at $100 per month. Windows need bars and metal doors come standard on most retail spaces. This price drops from $15k to $100 per month.

20K Electrical Upgrade cause 200 amps is NOT ENOUGH
-- again you don't get it. Most grows will take place in industrial areas. You know what the do in industrial areas? The build stuff. For this they need electricity. MOST industrial spaces have at least 200 amp panels. I'm paying 0 for this imaginary upgrade.

30K HVAC UPGRADE, because what building has HVAC to cool multiple grows?
-- I've been in large grows with 100+ plants that worked beautifully in the Colorado summer with no AC at all, some require a small window unit. In winter you might need a heater. This is CO not CA dude. If you are going to grow 500 or 1000 plants you'll need a full ventilation system with multiple units including humidifiers and dehumidifiers. But by the time you are caring for 100 or 200 patients you can probably afford the upgrades.

>20K Buildout of Dispensary to included Bulletproof
>transaction window, ADA Bathroom, Access Control Panel

if you need bulletproof glass, you should probably not be operating a dispensary in your part of town. You don't need to build a bathroom in a building where one exists and met code at the time it was built. Not sure what kind of panel you need, but I just need an alarm installed and monitored by a competent security firm. $200 per month, high end.

And let me restate that just because Denver requires stupid things and Boulder requires stupid electricity purchasing does not mean it's that way in the rest of the state.


Your estimate more is than 100k. My estimate of your purchases $7500 (+5000) down plus $300 per month.

If you wanted to impress me you should have included rent, insurance, PAYROLL, workmans comp, IT infrastructure, etc.

 

[tharmer]

Tharmer you are completely wrong about the prices of dispensaries. In May and June when we started looking to buy a dispensary, since we had a lot more than 5 patients, the prices of dispensaries was around $300k. Now that people are scrambling to be compliant that number has dropped significantly, but these shops for sale have attachments. Such as any shop in Denver must also have a grow in Denver. So the people with grows in Boulder can't even consider any Denver dispensary unless they are willing to move their grows.

There are a bunch of confused local laws. People talk about not being able to sell edibles outside their city. My suspicion is that the intent of the law was not to do that and in the rule making process we'll see a reasonable solution to that specific issue.

On the pricing I am most certainly not wrong. There are a number of people in the state who tried to sell their dispensaries for $500k, a larger number shot for $250k but a huge number would settle for $100k or less. (Somebody mentioned CCF, a dispensary I could have owned for $75k). The real deals are not on craigslist. Just like in real estate, the real deals are hard to find and go to the first person to uncover them. On June 20th I could have purchased 50% of a dispensary on Broadway for $15,000. Not $150k, but $15k. The deals are all over the state. If you look in little mountain towns you'll find all kinds of deals.

Second Tharmer who the hell are you to tell someone if they are truly sick? Do you have MD after your name? I'm under 30 [] I live in contant pain, everyday all the time. If you saw me on the streets you would never know, I look "normal". So Tharmer I say fuck you for making the awful assumption of people not being truly sick. [] who are you to question it

I am a long time citizen of Colorado. I am a medical marijuana patient. I did not say nor mean to imply that people under thirty cannot have chronic pain. What I said and meant to imply is that there is a huge abuse of the system by people claiming to have pain, who do not. If you do not believe this abuse exists I encourage you to sit inside a 'mmj doctor's office' for 1/2 hour and ask the 'patients' why they've come. Coloradans are so nice many won't hesitate to tell you it's because they like to get high and want the license.

Don't misunderstand, I don't care about people lying to get weed. As I think I said I believe everyone should smoke weed. I was simply point out to a few people who complained about the new law that they could (and still can) get involved and get a state license to grow and sell dope.

 

[tharmer]

Tharmer: I have summed up what the other posters have typed to save you some time. You don't understand the law, everyone in this thread is sick of you, you're a complete moron, so please, do us all a huge favor and shut the fuck up. Don't say anything because your opinion means literally shit.

Go fuck yourself and quit c*nting up this thread with your horseshit so I can go back to lurking.

now see that's how to troll, my hat is off to you sir.

 

[Surrender]

What am I making up, exactly?

Of course 85% of them don't actually qualify and just like to get high right? Let's be honest, you and I both know this is all a scam and most users are, as they've always been, just plain old pot heads. So I'll repeat, how has this actually affected you? You can't get all your pot head friends high and you're mad about it, right?

Don't pretend you don't know what is really going on. I personally don't care and think everyone should smoke dope,

Still waiting for you to sustain this,

Oh no dude. Don't come in here and post and tell me I don't know that I'm talking about. Your statement above is absolutely wrong in ALL jurisdictions in Colorado. Anybody even thinking of 'opening a new shop' should stop right now and sit down.

Nobody in the world can open a new dispensary in Colorado (one that was not operating on July 1) and do anything other than end up in jail. The only way you can open a new shop in CO is to wait until July 1, 2011. It's not 'practically' out of the question, it's "out of the question". But you can still negotiate to become a license holder.

I did say "practically" as in, virtually always. Boulder may be preparing to challenge 1284 as an infringement on their home rule powers. Perhaps you're unaware of the co-op owners preparing to sue if the state tries to apply 1284 to their businesses. I believe if someone wanted to spend 50-100k in attorney fees they might still be able to open a new shop, so in my eyes its not totally out of the question. I mean, why not plant a steel building out in the middle of nowhere, am I right or what?

I am a medical marijuana patient.

Or are you a "plain old pot head" looking to avoid prosecution?

What I said and meant to imply is that there is a huge abuse of the system by people claiming to have pain, who do not.

There you go again, doubting my pain.

If you do not believe this abuse exists I encourage you to sit inside a 'mmj doctor's office' for 1/2 hour and ask the 'patients' why they've come. Coloradans are so nice many won't hesitate to tell you it's because they like to get high and want the license.

Don't misunderstand, I don't care about people lying to get weed. As I think I said I believe everyone should smoke weed. I was simply point out to a few people who complained about the new law that they could (and still can) get involved and get a state license to grow and sell dope.

You sure seem to have a few issues with people exercising their constitutionally protected rights to medicine. We're talking about patients and you're going on about potheads. like the casual MJ consumer has even gotten into the mmj scene yet.
I'd say that 85% of Colorado's MJ consumers haven't bothered with the registry because they don't have a bonafide condition.

You say that 85% of license-holders are lying potheads. You besmirch our motivations with logical fallacies and then hold yourself up as a businessman of superior compassion and intellect--I just can't understand why you don't make any friends on the internet.

 

[TheReleafCenter]

Let me add another perspective...

5K City License
If most cities adopt the Denver model, it seems like you would pay for that option, and you'd incur that fairly soon.

13K State License, Grow License, BOND
At a bare minimum (MMC + OPCO) you're looking at $8750, plus bond ($500, not due 'til next year) and roughly $1000 in background checks, acquiring records, architectural plans, a lawyer and other labor to fill it all out. Going high-end, not super Wal-Mart, will run you a cool $24k. For that you'll get three grows, 501+ patients, an infused products license and a shop that can support wholesaling product. Average the two with expenses and you're coming out at $17375. I think you'll see more of the smaller (albeit less successful) shops, so 17K is coming in a bit high. I think 10k in fees alone is fair, though.

15K Security System, Security Windows, Security Doors
This number is pretty high. Most of the security equipment that you need is available for lease, and buying a full system probably isn't recommended until the DoR releases what they want in one. Security doors aren't as standard in traditional retail, especially not magnetic "buzzer" doors. That'll cost you some money. I've also heard that the draconian security measures are giving some places more confidence in not doing big security upgrades. Who wants to rob a place that the state is watching, not knowing what stage plants are in, etc? The bigger fear in the industry is sabotage of crops.

20K Electrical Upgrade cause 200 amps is NOT ENOUGH
Most places that grows are limited to under 1284 have upgraded electrical. If you're in an older facility, or trying to "polish a turd", upgrades may be required, but not to the tune of 20k.

30K HVAC UPGRADE, because what building has HVAC to cool multiple grows?
This is actually one of the easier problems to solve if you work with reliable contractors and conceptualize how your large scale system should work. The bigger money is sunk into advanced climate control and automation. I can't really say much more on this one...

20K Buildout of Dispensary to included Bulletproof transaction window, ADA Bathroom, Access Control Panel
I'm pro bulletproof glass on any side of town. Criminals are mobile. Most smaller places don't have ADA entries, let alone facilities. I'm not sure what this "Access Control Panel" is. Other big ticket buildout items: safe bolted into floor, computers, reliable printer (you'll be making TONS of photocopies), refrigerators, display cases, shotgun. Kidding on that last one.

Rent(gouged) and payroll were the big two that were missed. You're also paying rent at your grows. You have to offer a decent wage, but most people have little experience dispensing both marijuana and legal/medical advice. You're either hiring your friends (which gets messy quick) or total strangers (who are hard to find). Professional services (lawyers, accountants) and advertising will also continually drain you. Everyone wants you to advertise in everything, even though most of the publications are completely unproven or weak in content. Insurance is insurance. Workman's comp isn't anything, really. You'll also have the random convention, which always costs more than you think.

 

[anferneybra]

you cant price the process until someone has come out the other side.

as for the law enforcement issues, go through a investigation>charges>not guilty plea>trial set>plea>plea>plea>dismissal total of 9 months of life + 30k

only to be put out of business by a city that is taking MMJ to vote in november and all business is on hold until then

then talk about how you can fight a system built to confuse and dumbfound the common man

Good luck to anyone in the process, all i can say is the underground is being forced to dig again

 

[cobcoop]

Support your local caregiver!

 

[TheReleafCenter]

Support your local caregiver!

We need more of the high quality, give a shit caregivers and a repeal of the 5 patient rule. The latter is something Rob Corry should be able to handle.

 

[anferneybra]

I agree, the caregivers are going to be a highly sought after group of people that are limited to whom they can help

its truly sad

lets just hope that by this time next year things are ironed out, because things will not happen fast, especially dealing with the courts

 

[hgherbals420]

We need more of the high quality, give a shit caregivers and a repeal of the 5 patient rule. The latter is something Rob Corry should be able to handle.

Amen to cob and releaf, there are definitely too many cg's that DONT give a shit about anything but money, but then again there are way to many dispensaries that have the same viewpoint. We all need to keep our focus on the patients, which is why I got into this business as a cg 5 years ago.

 

[Rednick]

I care about the 'Dank'.
Pure and simple.
A life's quest since I was 14 years old (smoking bricked Sexy Mexi).

With all this crazyness going on, I will just be a lowly caregiver.
Not going to chance giving thousands upon thousands of dollars to the state, only to have them rob me, or not back me up with the Feds or local authorities.
Hell, I already have given them too much with liscense fees for a liscense that never comes (which has caused some trouble for some of my patients at the County level).

For less that the state wants, I can buy a backhoe.

 

[funkfingers]

Amen to cob and releaf, there are definitely too many cg's that DONT give a shit about anything but money, but then again there are way to many dispensaries that have the same viewpoint. We all need to keep our focus on the patients, which is why I got into this business as a cg 5 years ago.

not trying to start shit, but I feel like the second you consider growing our sacred herb a business, you may have already lost your way.. This plant can both provide and take away, I have been on both sides of it, and have lost my way before..Karma is funny like that. I have gained new perspective in the past year regarding this very thing. It's okay to make a honest living, it's completely different to capitalize on a plant like this for the sole purpose of making $$$

2 cents

 

[cobcoop]

not trying to start shit, but I feel like the second you consider growing our sacred herb a business, you may have already lost your way.. This plant can both provide and take away, I have been on both sides of it, and have lost my way before..Karma is funny like that. I have gained new perspective in the past year regarding this very thing. It's okay to make a honest living, it's completely different to capitalize on a plant like this for the sole purpose of making $$$

2 cents

Well said. Rep if I could.

 

[HokuLoa]

You've attacked my intellect, reasoning, motivation and research skills. I will do my best to not respond by calling you a flaming jack ass, but I may not be able to control myself.

Actually, no I didn't. I questioned your intellectual investment in the industry and your knowledge of it's nuanced details. Clearly you have trouble telling the difference. Now, after reading your most current responses I have little problem questioning your intellectually ability as well. Rather than countering our responses to your own points you instead selectively change the direction of the discussion and volley back posts filled with what seems like true loathing for the medical marijuana program and patients in CO. After all, most of us in the program are liars and fakes according to your "qualified" medical opinion. Even your use of "dope" seems to betray your bias. You seem like a troll or a somewhat anti-mmj blowhard trying to push your agenda. Really though, it doesn't matter. Your inability or unwillingness to actually critically address people's posts means you really don't care about us or the issues we are passionate about. The fact that you rely on assumptions about us, our businesses, our patients, and our medical conditions to try and support your position (rather than the facts we rely on) says volumes about you and your intellect. Nevertheless, I'm always willing to give people chances so I'll critical address your post once again. Its up to you to actually use your intellect and the facts or instead rely on your assumptions and biases to try and support your position.

Oh, and BTW it is so infantile to actually call someone a jack ass in the same sentence you claim to be trying your BEST to avoid such a statement. Pathetically thin....

Yes, some one hundred fifty thousand people in Colorado make that claim. Of course 85% of them don't actually qualify and just like to get high right? Let's be honest, you and I both know this is all a scam and most users are, as they've always been, just plain old pot heads. So I'll repeat, how has this actually affected you? You can't get all your pot head friends high and you're mad about it, right?

Assumptions, and careless ones at that. Even if we all agree that a significant percentage of patients are PURELY recreational users how do you then derive that "this is all a scam?" Are you seriously telling us the medical cannabis program in CO has no legitimacy because some people are working the system?? As for affecting me, I elaborately told you how it affects me AND everyone else in the industry. You were either too intellectually lazy or plain old stupid to read and understand what these ramifications are. Newsflash, the anger has NOTHING to do with some new inability to sell to "pot head friends." Are you so challenged that you think selling to friends is somehow difficult or legally dangerous in the new legal environment??

>This affects our legal safety
No it does not, not when you only care for 5 people. Then you are not in any jeopardy, which you already know. The only way this affects your freedom is if you break the new state law. (Side note: You can grow up to 36 plants and you are complaining).

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. You are taking kernels of truth in abstract from the reality experienced by caregivers and patients. If you want to sound like less of an idiot, try to read and digest what is actually happening and not just what the law is saying is "legal." If we were new to the game you might have a point. However, many of us dutifully followed the legal framework we were told was necessary to operate. We established businesses, invested heavily, actively worked with local and state authorities (including leo), and established quality care-based relationships with our patients. Despite all our good faith efforts (and tax payments) the laws were changed and suddenly we are "illegal" again. Remember, as I said before a lot of real caregivers purposely chose not to open dispensaries BECAUSE there was not a firm legal standing for that business model. Not to mention the fact that many of our patients are also unable to go to a retail front in the first place. Because of that decision, yes, we AND our patients ARE in legal jeopardy. Cultivation aside, we followed the letter of the law more explicitly and are getting shit on for it.

>and for many of us our economic survival
Yes I get that, you like to grow weed and sell it to people. Life's a bitch dude, I guess you'll need a real job now. Or you'll need to learn to live on whatever salary you can get out of 36 plants and 5 patients. Or you can throw caution to the wind.

Ah, I see. You don't really value the professionals in the medical cannabis industry. Ooops! It appears you betrayed your anti-mjj ideology. The medicine is legitimate but not the skill set and labor necessary for producing it....? Yes, I like to grow plants (all plants) and I do it exceptionally well. THAT IS MY REAL JOB!!!! THAT is why I am a professional and not a newb, cash hungry, profiteer. THAT is why your assumptions and seeming disdain for our industry and community are so offensive to me. You say you are a business person yet you don't realize the legitimacy of "economic survival" for business owners who have invested many years, many thousands of dollars, and buckets of sweat to LEGALLY participate in the American dream??? You don't get this basic issue and you expect us to take you seriously???

>it is detrimental to the entire industry and state.
Yes you've said that. But you haven't told us much about how it has affected you, other than you will lose money because you can't grow pot in your house and sell it anymore.

Never said I grow at home. Did tell you how it affects me (and all of us). Can't stick to the issue can you? Not enough support? Too ignorant of the subject? Intellectually lazy???

>The new law leaves most patients in the lurch
The new law leaves most 'caregivers' who didn't rent a retail store front in a lurch. There is at this time no shortage of inexpensive high quality weed or storefronts where patients can get their 'medicine' in most populated parts of Colorado.

I talk patients and you switch to caregivers... lazy. Patients, especially really sick patients ARE in the lurch. They have new hoops to jump through to legally access their medicine OR they must knowingly medicate through what is now AGAIN the black market. Are you really too stupid to understand this or does it just not support your position? Also, REAL caregivers (not retail med dispensers) should not have to rent retail stores. CARE is given wherever the patient needs it. It is NOT bound to some physical retail location. That is just an absurd classification applied by a state wishing for more control over the health (and/or finances) of its residents.

>is sending caregivers into a scramble
Not the ones who were smart enough to rent a retail store front.

Again, pure stupidity and totally baseless. How does my MS patient for instance benefit from a retail store if she cannot leave her house?? How does she afford meds if I open a retail w/ all the related costs and can no longer afford to give her free meds??? Who other than myself WOULD benefit from my opening a retail store???? Retail DOES NOT BEST SERVE REAL PATIENTS!!!! Wake up to reality.

>Do you not see the issue here?
Yes, clear as day. You are forced out and mad about it so you attack people who don't become so emotional about your personal lack of planning/effort.

Not quite. I am mad and I am emotional. Anyone who truly cares about patients and our medical cannabis program SHOULD BE! However, I can be emotional as well as logical because I actually know what I'm talking about from most angles in this industry. I know and understand (if not always sympathize with) the positions of all the participants on the issue. I also don't generally attack "people" but I will vehemently attack poorly supported positions and flat out ignorance of the issue. My responses to your "arguments" up until now are a case in point. I may have added insult as well as argument here but I still consider my position/response relatively reserved and respectful. If you now feel attacked PERSONALLY then perhaps you might consider that this reflects more about you than me (or us).

>It is about being forced back into an "illegal"
It is perfectly legal for a patient to go to a dispensary and buy marijuana from a state licensed dealer. Right now there are lots of caregivers shouting these tales of "black market returns". The ONLY way that will happen is when a city bans dispensaries. Like Aurora, they will continue to have a black market. Though I imagine most patients will just drive to Denver.

Not true. Patients of top quality, formerly legal caregivers could theoretically go to Centers now. However, why would they if they know the quality is vastly inferior and the price is higher? How will they if they are of limited mobility?? They won't! They will will stick with their former caregiver who truly does care for them in the more complete sense of the word. That relationship, despite having more medical validity as well as medical efficacy, will be black market and illegal. Both patient and caregiver will be at legal risk yet THAT is the patients' best MEDICAL decision. You "imagine" a lot but you clearly understand little of what this really means for true patients/caregivers.

>Protecting out patients
OMG you make me laugh. Caregivers "protecting" patients. How exactly does that happen? By selling them weed at stupidly high prices not unlike when these 'caregivers' were just drug dealers?


>5 patient caregiver group is so hard to stomach
Dude I get it, it's clear as day. You were a grower selling overpriced weed to more than 5 people and now you can't generate the income you once did so you're screwed. So instead of opening a dispensary before July 1 you want to bitch at me because I'm telling you things you don't want to hear.

You know what they say about making ASSumptions.... I happily accept arguments that challenge my understanding of any subject. I will and do challenge right back WITH FACT AND SUPPORT if the challenge to my argument is baseless and/or filled with logical fallacies. So on that note, lets look at your "logic..."

Now let's follow a line of logic.

If you had 6 truly sick patients who you actually cared for you would have, come hell or high water, done any and everything in your power to open a dispensary so you can continue to care for them.

You did not do this.

Therefore:
You do not have 6 real patients.

Get a job dude. Or use your alleged growing skills to help a dispensary owner grow high quality medicine. That is the best way to help actual sick people, but I don't suspect that has ever been your motivation.

Even with 10-15 patients opening a retail Center does not make sense. From an economic standpoint it makes no sense because the costs start to outweigh the potential LEGAL revenue. So sorry, no logic there. From a medical, patient care standpoint it also makes little sense. My patients need CARE in their homes and personal life. If I need to maintain a retail store I then have little time to serve my primary function as CAREGIVER to my patients as defined in part by State law (not that I support that definition particularly). So still no logic for a retail store. The real logic in opening a Center is that it WOULD allow me to profit tremendously by acquiring greater patient numbers. THAT DOES NOT BEST BENEFIT PATIENTS THOUGH!!! You either are ignoring or are ignorant about what "actually sick people" need and how they are best "helped." Your "logic" is VERY far from logical.

You are against weed from California only because it affects your profit margin. If you really cared about sick people you wouldn't mind the source; just the quality, pricepoint & availability.

Again, you are either ignorant of the facts or are just ignoring them. I'm anti-CA meds for a variety of reasons and profit margins are really only a tangential consideration. I'm anti CA because it favors ILLEGAL sourcing and penalizes those of us who try to be law abiding, responsible citizens when given the option. (As a business person this should be obvious to you....) I also resent CA business vampires sucking revenue out of the State of CO. This shifty importing devalues our state and can be directly correlated to revenue shortages that impact our ability to fund our communities including schools and environmental protection. I further oppose illegal CA med imports because it is rarely GOOD medicine. More often than not, the "meds" reflect the same problems that make them unsalable in CA. The are of either poor quality or are simply not "medicinal quality" due to bugs, powdery mildew, budrot, chemmy, etc etc. If you think illegally imported CA cannabis is a benefit to "sick people" more so than locally grown and regulated meds then you really are of questionable intelligence. This particular issue isn't about profit margins and if you had any true understanding and intellectual integrity you would admit that.