Colorado House Bill 1284

[cobcoop]

That Oregon model would foster quality over quantity through competition, and by not limiting patients into caregiver/dispensary relationships a la cannimed and the like. I like it.

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

That Oregon model would foster quality over quantity through competition, and by not limiting patients into caregiver/dispensary relationships a la cannimed and the like. I like it.

Now....how do we get HB1284 changed to the way this one reads?

 

[cobcoop]

By moving to Oregon? I write letters to all my reps, go to meetings etc. never once have I gotten a response related to MMJ. I guess if you had a few million to throw down on some lobbyists...

 

[warrenedson]

so you guys want house by house grow by grow inspections?

You need some way for the government to inventory and regulate the marijuana.


Keep in mind you are manufacturing a drug so you should not be manufacturing it in a area that is not zoned for drug manufacturing. Ie. most home grows are illegal under basic zoning laws

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

No...I think growing should be done in agricultural/industrial areas. Residential grows for more than 5 patients should not be allowed, this will allow the small "personal" caregiver some room as well as make it possible to regulate it.

Warren, you keep saying we are manufacturing...well give us a solution...instead of shooting down every idea that is come up with! You say the same thing every time...

BTW...I am not "manufacturing" anything...I am growing a plant...just like tobacco!

Besides, if the state passes the law, then it is up to them to keep the feds away...more and more states are asserting their rights under the 10th Amendment to the Constitution every week....for various reasons!

 

[MrDank]

Growing a plant that mother nature gave us is NOT manufacturing a drug. Sorry, been growing these plants for too long to be told I am manufacturing a drug

 

[funkfingers]

I think the huge difference between a "drug" and cannabis is, I feel like most people who grow cannabis have a spiritual connection with the plant, and the end product will reflect how much of a connection that the farmer had with it. Hence you never see any real fire herb come out of warehouses. Whereas "drugs" are for the most part are manufactured for financial gain, there is no connection, I doubt the factory workers at bayer really believe in the healing powers of the acetaminophen.

 

[cobcoop]

Growing a plant that mother nature gave us is NOT manufacturing a drug. Sorry, been growing these plants for too long to be told I am manufacturing a drug

I disagree. Not that growing this plant should be stigmatized, but that cannabis is a drug. Thanks to prohibitionists and profiteers, "drugs" have gotten a bad rap, but by all reasonable definitions, cannabis is certainly a mind/consciousness altering drug.

 

[warrenedson]

Guys, it is a Schedule I drug. It is until the federal government changes that. You are manufacturing it. That is what you get charged with, manufacturing a controlled substance. We are asking permission to manufacture it and sell it to people. There are a lot of regulations if you want to make aspirin and sell it to the general public. There are a lot of regulations if you want to make beer and sell it to the general public. There are a lot of regulations if you want to bottle water and sell it to the general public. In fact if you try to introduce a schedule II, III, of IV drug into the market, years of testing is required.


The government wants a way to know that this, the marijuana, is going to patients and not the black market. They are not going to take your word for it. I do not have a solution to this problem other than grower to grower inspections or some kind of computerized inventory of what everyone grows, sells, and uses.

In talking to the independent growers, some of you are OK with inspections and some of you think that it is your right to grow and sell this without regulation. I am spending time hoping you guys can craft an idea that works for you.

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

Look Warren, the feds are not who I need to placate....it's the Colorado legislators! It's their job to protect me from the feds with the laws they pass...now...instead of getting the same BS message from you every time about how it's a Schedule I Drug, how do we go about getting the STATE law worded like Oregon's? I could give a fuck about the feds...I'll worry about them, once our State comes up with it's laws! Now, if you want to help, and you want to contribute something positive, fine...if not....piss off!

Everything you post here is the negative, without any possible solution, you never have anything to say that is positive...get from behind your desk and help come up with a solution....at the State level!!!

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

Fuck, I am tired of only being told what I "cannot" do! I am a "CAN-DO" kinda guy...I'm tired of the negativity!!!

 

[funkfingers]

Guys, it is a Schedule I drug. It is until the federal government changes that. You are manufacturing it. That is what you get charged with, manufacturing a controlled substance. We are asking permission to manufacture it and sell it to people. There are a lot of regulations if you want to make aspirin and sell it to the general public. There are a lot of regulations if you want to make beer and sell it to the general public. There are a lot of regulations if you want to bottle water and sell it to the general public. In fact if you try to introduce a schedule II, III, of IV drug into the market, years of testing is required.


The government wants a way to know that this, the marijuana, is going to patients and not the black market. They are not going to take your word for it. I do not have a solution to this problem other than grower to grower inspections or some kind of computerized inventory of what everyone grows, sells, and uses.

In talking to the independent growers, some of you are OK with inspections and some of you think that it is your right to grow and sell this without regulation. I am spending time hoping you guys can craft an idea that works for you.

I totally get where you're coming from, I think that the big grows should be regulated, but I also feel that you should be able to provide for you and a small group of those in need without to much fuss. I would compare it to the home brewing industry, there isn't to much regulation other than the amount your allowed to produce, no re-sale ect..

Well the difference to me here between the two is, well marijuana has never killed anyone ever. Alcohol on the other hand, you all know that story. So my question is why so much regulation for a method of healing and relaxation for many that's never killed anyone and almost ever study done on it shows more than promising results for a multitude of uses.

edit: with the plant count law written the way it is, to provide for a few really sick people would be impossible, without taking on more patients.. take on too many now your a dispensary.. I think many of these issues could be fixed by a simple amending of the plant count/ weight limit..

 

[warrenedson]

Oregon will have inspections under either bill. One won't let you sell. Arizona won't let you grow if you live near a dispensary. Rhodie Island and New Jersey will have 2-6 dispensaries. New Mexico is a mess.

What the hell do you want? It is not the State's job to protect you against Federal Laws that the Supreme Court has determined is within their jurisdiction. Ask Ed.

I do not have a solution that allows you to grow a schedule I drug without any inspection or regulation. What can you make and sell to the general public without regulation?

 

[SELFHEMPLOYED]

I read in one of your posts about the higher plant recommendations, and that they are vaild. I hope that means that leo will accept the higher number written on the rec without confiscating everything and having to go through the court system to prove you needed it. I'm talking small numbers.. for example two patients with 20 plant cards each, growing 40 total..

There is nothing in the bill that mentions extra plants..

I think a lot of us would like some sort of answer, if you'd oblige of course

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

What the hell do you want? It is not the State's job to protect you against Federal Laws that the Supreme Court has determined is within their jurisdiction. Ask Ed.

I am going to assume that you are not a constitutional lawyer and I will tell you, yes - it is the State's responsibility to stand up for it's citizens when federal law is unjust...this is provided for by the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution. And every few weeks you hear/read about a new state that is letting the fed know that they are going to assert their rights for one reason or another. The Supreme Court did rule in favor of the Fed in the case in Cali...can't remember the name at this time - something to do with commerce, but there are differences in the 2 cases, at least enough differences that would probably end up in the Supreme Court again with Colorado...due to it being an Amendment and not a "law". Warren, I didn't mean to lash out at you, personally...I am over people telling me what cannot be done...tell me what I can do!!! I think we have to win the battle at the State level, before we can ever win at the federal level. California voting to legalize and tax it like alcohol is the way to go...eventually the States will like/need the money from the taxes that they will fight the feds...for State's Rights!

If they want me to pay them, like in Oregon and I can grow...I would let them come and inspect...no different than the USDA inspecting a Dairy farm...

The people that would benefit most is the patients...isn't that what this is about??

 

[funkfingers]

Oregon will have inspections under either bill. One won't let you sell. Arizona won't let you grow if you live near a dispensary. Rhodie Island and New Jersey will have 2-6 dispensaries. New Mexico is a mess.

What the hell do you want? It is not the State's job to protect you against Federal Laws that the Supreme Court has determined is within their jurisdiction. Ask Ed.

I do not have a solution that allows you to grow a schedule I drug without any inspection or regulation. What can you make and sell to the general public without regulation?

Legalization. Like it's a plant that grows from the earth, and could quite possibly be the answer to a lot of problems that effect humanity as a whole. I mean how many things are a fuel source, textile source, have the power to heal, bring together complete strangers..

Warren this wasn't really directed at you but I mean can we all get real here, why does money have to be the only thing that makes the world go round. There are obviously people behind the curtain that are keeping this completely harmless plant, categorized as a dangerous drug.

Until then, I do appreciate what you are doing for the cause, keep fighting the good fight.. K+

Funk

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

Warren with all the stuff you have going on...maybe you are looking here for answers? You are so deeply entrenched that all you can do is give us the same lame answer "Marijuana is a Schedule I...." If you're going to post and want to really "help" us...give us some ammunition...

 

[warrenedson]

Read the Rosenthal case, the Jeff Jones case, and the cases that helped end segregation in the 60's. Yes we are different because we are in the constitution but the commerce clause reigns supreme. If there was such a great 10th Amendment argument don't you think someone would have tried it?

I do not know of a solution that will allow you to manufacture a controlled substance in your home for sale to the general public. It does not seem that the growers can come to a common agreement. Seems split between those who would move into industrial settings and allow for inventory and inspection and those who think they should be able to just do their thing. I have asked over and over "what works for you guys?" and tried to foster that debate.

You would be able to help 5 people and under with minimal regulation and the only real requirement being that you are named as the caregiver on their card.

I believe on page 36 section (e) or (f) you will find the extra plant recommendation. Really won't be all that relevant except to justify sales to a patient in an amount greater than 6 plants and 2 ounces.

 

[Godless]

Guys, it is a Schedule I drug. It is until the federal government changes that. You are manufacturing it. That is what you get charged with, manufacturing a controlled substance. We are asking permission to manufacture it and sell it to people. There are a lot of regulations if you want to make aspirin and sell it to the general public. There are a lot of regulations if you want to make beer and sell it to the general public. There are a lot of regulations if you want to bottle water and sell it to the general public. In fact if you try to introduce a schedule II, III, of IV drug into the market, years of testing is required.

Very good point Warren. It would be better made to growers by making the analogy to a schedule III/IV - everyone knows the feds are blatantly lying by making it schedule I. No matter how growers might chafe at the reality - regulation is it. Thinking as a patient, regulation that promotes a safer product at lower prices due to competition is exactly what I want.

I'll never forget the last time I went to "that dude's" place before I got introduced to DIY. I glance in the disgusting bathroom of the studio appt where he grew and he's got screens of buds drying (at 20% humidity) hung up all over in the small bathroom above his poop stained toilet. All I could think of was him taking a shit and getting his poop juice all in the bud. As a patient, I want to know that the bud I'm getting hasn't been shit on. I want to know that there is ZERO mold/ferts/etc. I want to know its TCH/CBD/CBN/THCV % and ratio. Beyond a baby step towards analysis, these are not the focus of grower regulation.

Checking adherence to code I enthusiastically support - I've seen some scary electrical shit in grows and I don't want my neighbor running 10k watts uninspected, but the rest of the "inspection" stuff is focused on this:

The government wants a way to know that this, the marijuana, is going to patients and not the black market. They are not going to take your word for it. I do not have a solution to this problem other than grower to grower inspections or some kind of computerized inventory of what everyone grows, sells, and uses.

Seems to me that the government is only going to push growers back into the black market, so, yet again, government creates a circular problem because the root cause is prohibition. If New Jersey ends up getting a glut of CO weed on their streets, well that's because the NJ politicians are too stupid to legalize it - that's not CO's problem/fault. Isn't it the DEA's fucking job to police the interstate black market traffic that the inane federal law created? Why is that a CO state problem? Is the state truly worried about its own black market?

I'm not saying that I don't understand why it is a (small) problem, but why the fuck is THIS a priority over protecting me as a patient from moldy or unflushed bud?

This bill is going to create a market where the only suppliers are big players with >100 plant ops. These players will be extremely vulnerable come the next authoritarian republican president. Why is the state setting itself up for this possible disaster?

 

[MrDank]

$$$ talks

bullshit walks

....sad but true