Colorado House Bill 1284

[Mile Hi Dave]

Most of you Colorado folk have left me nothing but utterly disappointed, and disgusted. Who's rights are you guys fighting for? Sick people's? or your own ability to produce, and profit off of sick people?

Why would you restrict people from coming to a beautiful state such as Colorado to receive LEGAL medicine? You act as if the 48 other states besides Colorado and Cali simply cease to exist. If your so concerned with the "Cali" folk coming in and setting up shop, why not support the residency requirement being changed to owning a dispensary, or hell even care giving. But don't take away access to something others (including yourselves) have fought for.

Their are sick people, without medicine, looking to move to Colorado for access to safe, legal meds. And you want to take that away because "Cali" people came and set up shop?

Who's side are you on?

The Bill is to regulate "Dispensaries", not patients...there is no residency requirement to become a patient...so you are upset about nothing!!!!

....and I think they should up the residency requirement to 5 yrs to own a dispensary...just my opinion tho...

 

[Tela]

For one thing they have come to our state, created a team of lobbyists, and crafted a bill designed to put independent caregivers out of business, and create a system where only those wit big $ backing them can survive.

welcome to the world of American big business.
scary isnt it.

sounds like this:
For one thing Monsanto has come to our state, created a team of lobbyists, and crafted a bill designed to put independent farmers and seed breeders out of business and create a system where only those with big money backing them can survive.

this is where i see the difference. Harborside arguably has one of the best clinical mmj models in the US. they distribute a healing product with very little environmental impact and are socially responsible. Monsanto is constantly suing farmers, developing products that wreak havoc on the environment, and destroying the planet, making patented crops that feed millions if not billions, and genetically engineering their products. just wait till they develop the "roundup-ready kush"

 

[cobcoop]

I need no introductions to the world of GE crops, or corporate greed. There are definite parallels between the food industry and our cottage industry, only furthering our reservations about big $ interests.

I'm glad you believe Richard Lee and the like are saviors, but some of us disagree. I have seen many of his interviews, and he is in it for the wrong reasons IMHO. I'm not trying to say the guy is evil incarnate or anything, but every piece of legislation coming down (not just in Co) is unfair to MOST people, favoring large wal-mart style business, which IMO is going to very destructive to the MJ movement.

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

For one thing they have come to our state, created a team of lobbyists, and crafted a bill designed to put independent caregivers out of business, and create a system where only those with big $ backing them can survive. All of this at the patients expense, meaning that when independent caregivers can no longer provide their services, patients are forced to go to dispensaries for their meds, and I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to say that quality is much worse, and prices are much higher.
Not to mention the practice of selling rec's around like they are derivatives.

If there were mercedes rollin in from nebraska, I'd be against that as well.

Another reason is that these "Cali" immigrants are the very same ones that created the Havoc in Cali. They wouldn't have left Cali, except that the laws are catching up with them there...now they wanna come here and screw up the Colorado scene.

Sure, some of them have done good things, but the majority are the "rejects" that couldn't survive in Cali. Colorado has become the new "Cali Gold Rush"!!!!

We were fine with our "mom & pops" shops that are actually willing and able to give a more "personal" service to the PATIENTS - the ones Amendment 20 was enacted for!!!

 

[Tela]

^i can agree with just about all of that. The "cali rejects" shouldn't be able to survive for too long because the free market should weed them out. but what about the best growers and cannabis friendly medical professionals from the 36 states that do not allow medical use. If they came, the only people that would be burdened would be the Colorado locals whose skills arent up to par. Whats wrong with that?

 

[cobcoop]

There will be no 'free market', that's the problem. I don't have 50k to buy a growers license.

 

[Balazar]

So what do we immediately do to stop this thing? Rich foreigners are here with their fucking lobbyists to fuck us over. I agree with a few things in this bill but its mostly a means to screw over the growers. Why can't they license growers too? How come a dispensary has to buy from another dispensary? Why can't they buy from a licensed grower? The benefit of this logic is invisible to me. This thing has corporate monopoly written all over it. Forcing vertical integration of medical marijuana services fucks over all of the small guys. I am a cannabis farmer, NOT a store clerk, NOT a massage therapist, NOT a chef, NOT A FUCKING FOOL EITHER! These politicians obviously have money in mind, not the people of the State of CO. The only opposition to us seems to be from public officials that represent corporations instead of us, and law enforcement that could possibly take pay cuts or layoffs due to loosing cannabis as their main source of income.

 

[Bud Spleefman]

welcome to the world of American big business.
scary isnt it.

sounds like this:
For one thing Monsanto has come to our state, created a team of lobbyists, and crafted a bill designed to put independent farmers and seed breeders out of business and create a system where only those with big money backing them can survive.

this is where i see the difference. Harborside arguably has one of the best clinical mmj models in the US. they distribute a healing product with very little environmental impact and are socially responsible. Monsanto is constantly suing farmers, developing products that wreak havoc on the environment, and destroying the planet, making patented crops that feed millions if not billions, and genetically engineering their products. just wait till they develop the "roundup-ready kush"

Well if they were really socially responsible and had very little environmental impact they would be growing what they sell, but my understanding is they buy the product from the same growers that sell to all the other Cali Dispensaries. So, how much fertilizer gets dumped into the leach fields of California to support Harborside? How much Avid, Eagle 20, etc... is spayed on the product they sell? We don't know, but I don't see them in any different light that any other Dispensary, anywhere. They make a lot of money, over 20 million a year. And even though they are a non-profit, the guys who run the show still pay themselves well, I'd guess salaries over $1,000,000.00.

We already have plenty of money and plenty of growers in this state to support our own economy. We don't need help from anywhere, we can handle it. The only reason anyone would move here to run a Dispensary is to take money from Coloradoans and put it in their own greedy little pockets. Peroid. If you want to do charity, do it in Ohio, or wherever you are from. If you want to come here to make money you could at least admitt it, and not act like you're doing it for the patients. The patients are fine, they always have been, there is plenty of cheap medicine here, much cheaper, and better than you see in the Dispensaries, and delivered, to your door. It's called having a CAREGIVER!

 

[Bud Spleefman]

The logic they are using for the 50K is the logic they used for a liquor license, which I believe costs 80K.

It's all about the Government getting their slice of the giant weed pie!

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

So what do we immediately do to stop this thing? Rich foreigners are here with their fucking lobbyists to fuck us over. I agree with a few things in this bill but its mostly a means to screw over the growers. Why can't they license growers too? How come a dispensary has to buy from another dispensary? Why can't they buy from a licensed grower? The benefit of this logic is invisible to me. This thing has corporate monopoly written all over it. Forcing vertical integration of medical marijuana services fucks over all of the small guys. I am a cannabis farmer, NOT a store clerk, NOT a massage therapist, NOT a chef, NOT A FUCKING FOOL EITHER! These politicians obviously have money in mind, not the people of the State of CO. The only opposition to us seems to be from public officials that represent corporations instead of us, and law enforcement that could possibly take pay cuts or layoffs due to loosing cannabis as their main source of income.

I don't know Balazar...at the end of the hearing, several of the Senators commented that they, actually, kept track...and out of the 102 folks, like me, that testified, only 3 people were for it...that seems to me like we shouldn't have to do anything...maybe they get it....(Hah...wishful thinking)

Funny...using their numbers 102 testified (I'll round that down to 100) 3 for the law...= 97% against it!! Hopefully, everyone is still contacting their reps...and mentioning this fact wouldn't hurt.

 

[Balazar]

Most of you Colorado folk have left me nothing but utterly disappointed, and disgusted. Who's rights are you guys fighting for? Sick people's? or your own ability to produce, and profit off of sick people?

Why would you restrict people from coming to a beautiful state such as Colorado to receive LEGAL medicine? You act as if the 48 other states besides Colorado and Cali simply cease to exist. If your so concerned with the "Cali" folk coming in and setting up shop, why not support the residency requirement being changed to owning a dispensary, or hell even care giving. But don't take away access to something others (including yourselves) have fought for.

Their are sick people, without medicine, looking to move to Colorado for access to safe, legal meds. And you want to take that away because "Cali" people came and set up shop?

Who's side are you on?

You must not know what this bill is about because anyone can come to CO and get a med card. This bill pertains almost exclusively to dispensaries and growers. The language of the bill also basically forces out any grower that doesn't own a dispensary and requires those that do to pay $50,000 in registration fees. This means that they are making the marijuana business for large established players and wealthy investors only. You can move to CO and try to start something up here but unless you have the $ to invest you are a fool. This fucks over the people moving here for the "gold rush" as well as the natives. Maybe next time you should read the bill before spouting off ignorant moral thumpings at Coloradans for somthing you obviously know nothing about.

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

You must not know what this bill is about because anyone can come to CO and get a med card. This bill pertains almost exclusively to dispensaries and growers. The language of the bill also basically forces out any grower that doesn't own a dispensary and requires those that do to pay $50,000 in registration fees. This means that they are making the marijuana business for large established players and wealthy investors only. You can move to CO and try to start something up here but unless you have the $ to invest you are a fool. This fucks over the people moving here for the "gold rush" as well as the natives. Maybe next time you should read the bill before spouting off ignorant moral thumpings at Coloradans for somthing you obviously know nothing about.

"You must spread reputation around before...."

 

[cannagirl]

I need no introductions to the world of GE crops, or corporate greed. There are definite parallels between the food industry and our cottage industry, only furthering our reservations about big $ interests.

I'm glad you believe Richard Lee and the like are saviors, but some of us disagree. I have seen many of his interviews, and he is in it for the wrong reasons IMHO. I'm not trying to say the guy is evil incarnate or anything, but every piece of legislation coming down (not just in Co) is unfair to MOST people, favoring large wal-mart style business, which IMO is going to very destructive to the MJ movement.

Cobcoop, I have to disagree with you on one little thing, Richard Lee doesnt run or have any financial interest in Harborside. He owns runs and operates Oaksterdam Univ., Blue Sky coffee shop, the oaksterdam gift shop and the OU student union, and hes the biggest prick EVER!!! Plus he sells SWAG!

Harborside is actually a decent place and unless you have been in there, you shouldnt talk shit. They support the LOCAL grower. They dont take alot, if any, of Cali OD and anyone can walk in there and vend their bud as long as its quality, I have never bought swag from there. Yes their bud is over priced but that is the nature of the beast in Cali, everything is over priced!

I personally know some, not all of the management there and for the most part are good people.

I more worried about companies like the Farmacy, originally from LA, that are bullying their way around town to any of the MMC's that spell Farmacy with an "F". These are the big companies we should be worried about. The ones who buy almost an entire town in East CO and then hire the sheriffs wife, these are the companies we should be fighting against. The companies that have pre bottle drinks, which say made in CO but we all know where those sodas are coming from.

 

[cobcoop]

My bad, I was thinking oaksterdam etc. and the farmacy which has opened up shop in Lodo. But all mis-naming aside I absolutely should talk shit, because we have been here fighting this battle for years.

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

My bad, I was thinking oaksterdam etc. and the farmacy which has opened up shop in Lodo. But all mis-naming aside I absolutely should talk shit, because we have been here fighting this battle for years.

Like I said...up the residency requirement to 5 yrs! The only part of the Bill, I support!!

 

[cobcoop]

I'm with ya there buddy, make it retro-active as well.

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

I'm with ya there buddy, make it retro-active as well.

I can't rep or vote...sorry!!!

 

[Baddog40]

Like I said...up the residency requirement to 5 yrs! The only part of the Bill, I support!!

Matt Brown, the asshat thats in bed with Romer, said yesterday the only part of the bill he is against is the residency requirement, what a surprise. I think someone needs to make a list of all the players that are involved in helping with this bill and expose these bastards. I've heard Matt Brown (who was hired by farmacy and a few others) wrote 90% of this bill with Romers blessings.

 

[Rednick]

but what about the best growers and cannabis friendly medical professionals from the 36 states that do not allow medical use. If they came, the only people that would be burdened would be the Colorado locals whose skills arent up to par. Whats wrong with that?

Okay, now you really need to move here Fucktardo!
We will gladly take your money, take your house (when you can't sell your dirt weed), take your wife, and your car....
And send you home packing, where you can then be the BEST GROWER from around the non-med states.

I've smoked some good illegal shit, but this shit here is Medical grade, if you think not, you are just looking in the wrong places/dispensaries.

You make me laugh, move here so I can laugh some more.

 

[Baddog40]

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