Colorado House Bill 1284

[cobcoop]

Hahaha

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/04/chris_romer_dance_remix_of_aud.php


These fucking criminals make me sick, please give Co more $ so the auditors with guns can clamp down on this kind of debauchery.

 

[SweetHempSeeds]

Somebody needs to remind Romer that we have 2nd amendment rights as well, and will exercise those rights, just like 'auditors with guns'.

Warrantless search, nope, not here........

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

F*CK the Cali "immigrants" and their "Mega-Dispensaries". They messed things up in their state and now they are messing things up here. How about putting in a requirement that an owner of a MMC has to have been a registerred Colorado voter for 5 years prior to being able to open a "center". They need to take their "Kush" rag, and their "fuck-the-patients" business model.

And Warren, how is it that someone can have "served their time" and they can still be banned from owning a dispensary...I thought there were rules against punishing someone for the same crime twice.

Again, you spout off about it being a "Schedule I" drug...and again, you offer no solutions...I can't see why these "sheeples" even pay attention to anything you say, as you have yet to offer any type of solution. Why do you even waste your time here?

As much as I despise, the glory hound, Rob Correy...he is, at least, out there trying to help. Whereas you, Warren, sit here and tell us all the negatives without offering a glimpse at a possible strategy that may help us. All of us can complain, we don't have the "education" you have, nor the resources. You sir, if you really are a proponent, have both...and, sadly, you are not using them to help a cause you are supposedly a supporter of. Seems to me like you are trolling here for potential clients...not for the dialog...and definately not someone trying to find a true solution!

 

[scarred4life]

This is a schedule I drug, of course the auditors will have guns. Prosecutors have guns, IRS agents have guns, ATF has guns. You guys are acting like you are growing apples.

Try getting permission to manufacture any scheduled drug. Try to make beer and sell it. Try to make aspirin for commercial sale. There is less regulation and inspections here than any of these industries.

I like the comparison of cannabis to apples, beer, and aspirin, but I think cannabis might be closer to apples than you think...

Is there any other plant in America whose natural life cycle is considered an instance of drug manufacturing?
Is growing the hops, malt, barley etc needed for beer considered drug manufacturing?

It's just great that government institutions can legislate natural processes simply by naming them. If manufacturing is merely the intent of a human to interact with a plant living its natural cycle, should I be prosecuted for manufacturing poison if I plant a few poinsettias?
The problem here is not hb1284 itself; it's the Orwellian power that gov't, media, mainstream culture, etc. has to frame our experiences. Carbon tax, anyone?

 

[Mile Hi Dave]

I like the comparison of cannabis to apples, beer, and aspirin, but I think cannabis might be closer to apples than you think...

Is there any other plant in America whose natural life cycle is considered an instance of drug manufacturing?

Is growing the hops, malt, barley etc needed for beer considered drug manufacturing?

I think, cigarettes may be the closest...

 

[funkfingers]

Is it just me or all these mega warehouses opening up federal cultivation charges 99+ plants in one operation? This bill is so poorly written, it realistically is getting all these growers for dispensaries to open themselves up to federal prosecution WTF is going on.. I don't see why anyone would agree with the way the bill is written. Except for maybe people who have absolutely nothing to lose, because they're not the one's that tend to those plants everyday, they won't be there if/ when the large 99+plant warehouse is raided..

 

[scarred4life]

Again, you spout off about it being a "Schedule I" drug...and again, you offer no solutions...I can't see why these "sheeples" even pay attention to anything you say, as you have yet to offer any type of solution. Why do you even waste your time here?

I think the point of hb1284 is that there is no solution for growers.

 

[Surrender]

The legislative intent is to put 95% of the industry "out in the cold" for the feds to nail.

 

[cannagirl]

This is a schedule I drug, of course the auditors will have guns. Prosecutors have guns, IRS agents have guns, ATF has guns. You guys are acting like you are growing apples.

Try getting permission to manufacture any scheduled drug. Try to make beer and sell it. Try to make aspirin for commercial sale. There is less regulation and inspections here than any of these industries.

So Warren, are you telling us that once a week the FDA goes into Pfizer's oxycotin manufacturing plant and counts how many oxy's they have on their shelves? Do you really think that just because we grow pot, we are fucking idiots? Thats complete BS! Does the ATF go around to all the pawn shops, gun stores, and liquer stores once a week to count how many bottles of wine and bullets are on their shelves, every week? NO!

the whole schedule 1 drug thing is bullshit too and you should stop throwing that around, because it makes you sound like a fed, Warren! If there is a case for marijuana's medicinal value then there should already be a case to change it from a schedule 1 classification to a schedule 2.

We want ways to be able to take back our industry that we put our lives on the line for before all this mmj crap surfaced, we are kinda like the vets of Nam, who fought for a country they actually cared about, only to see it now being trampled on and destroyed by our politicians and LAWYERS!!!

Give me the underground back any day, at least then I wouldnt have to worry about "auditors with guns" every week in my grow!

 

[Baddog40]

This is a schedule I drug, of course the auditors will have guns. Prosecutors have guns, IRS agents have guns, ATF has guns. You guys are acting like you are growing apples.

Try getting permission to manufacture any scheduled drug. Try to make beer and sell it. Try to make aspirin for commercial sale. There is less regulation and inspections here than any of these industries.

I keep hearing..... There will be NO dispensaries after 1284! Of course there will be no dispensaries, they will be called medical marijuana clinics.

MMC's and offsites need to keep in mind that just because they are dropping the "caregiver" requirement, no caregiving services = no tax deduction.

Do you see any plant limits? No Patient limits? No. Caregiver requirements? No Limits on the number of medical marijuana centers a patient may shop at? no How about the fact that they make the extra plant thing a real defense.

This thing isn't perfect (No felons, no on site consumption) but it ain't bad.

Of course it isnt a bad thing if you're a dispensary owner, this bill was obviously written by the dispensaries for the dispensaries in order to monopolize the industry and to kill off the caregivers. Whats the purpose of this language?

(d) A PRIMARY CAREGIVER MAY NOT CHARGE A PATIENT MORE
5 THAN THE COST OF CULTIVATING OR PURCHASING THE MEDICAL
6 MARIJUANA, BUT MAY CHARGE FOR CAREGIVER SERVICES.

Yet for dispensaries it reads
(b) NOTHING IN THIS ARTICLE SHALL BE CONSTRUED AS
6 DELEGATING TO THE STATE LICENSING AUTHORITY THE POWER TO FIX PRICES FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

Why would caregivers have a different standard for what they can charge? This will open the door for law enforcement to come after caregivers to make them prove they are doing more than just providing medicine.

And what are you talking about no patient limits?? They reduced patient limits from the previous version from 16 to 5 for caregivers. Another attempt to make it more difficult for patients to find caregivers and force them to buy from dispensaries.

This bill will also make it illegal for caregivers to provide dispensaries with medication as they must buy from only other dispensaries. This will kill off caregivers and monopolize dispensaries. Quality will suffer and prices will rise. Do you think Coors or Budweiser would sit idle if a bill was passed forcing liquor stores and bars to provide their own alcohol?

Its nice to know a child rapist that was convicted 6 years ago can own a dispensary yet someone convicted of selling a joint 25 years ago is forever barred.

The bottom line is the ones that created this atmosphere to force regulations (dispensaries) are the ones that will get rewarded for it.

Why you think this bill is not bad is beyond me, one can only surmise your client base is dispensaries and thats who you are looking out for. Lets just hope Corry has more balls than you.

 

[SweetHempSeeds]

F*CK the Cali "immigrants" and their "Mega-Dispensaries". They messed things up in their state and now they are messing things up here. How about putting in a requirement that an owner of a MMC has to have been a registerred Colorado voter for 5 years prior to being able to open a "center". They need to take their "Kush" rag, and their "fuck-the-patients" business model.

And there you have it, in a nutshell! Good post Dave.

 

[starter09]

Real agendas?

Real agendas?

I watched the end of the Romer "auditors" bit and couldn't decide if it sounded like a cult leader w/KoolAid yet to come or just another politician pitching for contributions.

If "I promised I'd lead you into the daylight" isn't messianic you can bet it will soon be followed by a bill for guide services, and somehow I've never seen Chris Romer as the leading advocate for the needs and rights of medical marijuana. It's pretty obvious from the shape of the bill who he listens to.

This is a big-money/big bureaucracy (Vicente/Calonge/Suther?) bill. There's nothing in there for a patient that I've heard. Once again, politicians subvert a good idea to favor big money, one hand washing the other, and the bureaucrats throw up enough regulatory barricades to keep out the riff-raff.

I'm an old(er) patient with limited access to the underground. I'm already setting up a personal grow from clones but with fewer legal choices in the future it sounds like I'll need to find the space to go from seed, which is hard in a very small apartment. And that means I couldn't stay within the plant limit, so I'm forced to go illegal just to have any decent meds.

Nice job, Chris. Hope you get enough money from the big boys to offset all us small folks that will work/vote against you.

 

[Greenmopho]

Seems like there will still be a big underground movement if this passes. Capitalism gets the true blame here. C'mon, all politicians are suckers for money, and they see all the money getting passed back and forth for weed, but money is the true evil, not weed! We will always have corporations trying to dominate on poor quality mass produced commodities. Even apples have monopolies, United Fruit Company basically owns Central America and almost ALL bananas, pinapples, etc. Its not just our weed we have to protect, its everything we consume and ingest...


Seriously...if this passes....I'm going to the Czech Republic and growing....America is in the shitter, and these politicians think that our sacred herb will be their next big cash crop...

 

[.♠.]

I have not been following this as close as many others here, but my take on this is that they are certainly writing up a win win for themselves.

They want a large underground movement. They want to justify keeping all these drug task forces and LEOs on the pay-roll. Legalization or even legitimization is not on their minds. They will tolerate the medical end of it for the revenue they stand to collect. They will always deal with the underground with as much voracity as they can, gotta protect those budgets and salaries.

Stay strong and keep making your voice heard. Send e-mails every day and encourage others to do the same. Also make calls once a week. The squeeky wheel gets the greese (hopefully).

 

[warrenedson]

Until the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT reschedules marijuana, possession of 1 plant will be against federal law. That's why I keep bringing it up. Unless the feds change, the states are limited in what they can do.

As Cobcop pointed out so well many many pages ago, you might not like rescheduling if and when it happens. If if doesn't drop far enough, how many years will we lose medical marijuana while it goes through standard FDA testing? What happens when big pharm and tobacco can come and play?

Yes ATF goes into the breweries, wearing guns, all the time. They bring dogs to Stanahan's distillery 1-2 times a year. Yes they keep close track of pharmaceutical drugs. Ask a pharmacists. How many years do they have to go to school before they can do what they do?

What "underground" will be left? The MMC's will have to account for where the med mj comes from and won't be able to buy from the black market.

If you guys are Corry disciples, didn't you here him tell you all at the convention that the 100 plant limit is no longer applicable? If that is true than this bill is great because the state will be authorizing large grow operations and wholesaling. No other state allows that.

As I mentioned before, I think the felons will have room to sue and it will switch back to the liquor license standard.

No on site consumption is bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised if many growers actually liked this because it would allow them to go back to being just growers. No meet and greets. No forms. No marketing. Back to handing the mj to the currier from the MMC and collecting some form of paycheck. The fun is going to be negotiating the contracts for the top end growers. This will be like football free agents sports. Grower free agency.... seriously. Option years. Out clauses if the THC level reaches a certain percentage......

 

[MrDank]

Come on everybody. It is obvious what is going on here. Warren is an attorney. If he can represent the BIG dispensaries and get paid, thats his job. If he wants to create an environment for us growers that will make us "criminals" again, then that's more cases for him in court...and he gets paid again. Its a WIN/WIN situation for him

and at least he tells us how it is. no sugar coating

 

[funkfingers]

as unfortunate as it is...

 

[Greenmopho]

Until the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT reschedules marijuana, possession of 1 plant will be against federal law. That's why I keep bringing it up. Unless the feds change, the states are limited in what they can do.

As Cobcop pointed out so well many many pages ago, you might not like rescheduling if and when it happens. If if doesn't drop far enough, how many years will we lose medical marijuana while it goes through standard FDA testing? What happens when big pharm and tobacco can come and play?

Yes ATF goes into the breweries, wearing guns, all the time. They bring dogs to Stanahan's distillery 1-2 times a year. Yes they keep close track of pharmaceutical drugs. Ask a pharmacists. How many years do they have to go to school before they can do what they do?

What "underground" will be left? The MMC's will have to account for where the med mj comes from and won't be able to buy from the black market.

If you guys are Corry disciples, didn't you here him tell you all at the convention that the 100 plant limit is no longer applicable? If that is true than this bill is great because the state will be authorizing large grow operations and wholesaling. No other state allows that.

As I mentioned before, I think the felons will have room to sue and it will switch back to the liquor license standard.

No on site consumption is bullshit.

I wouldn't be surprised if many growers actually liked this because it would allow them to go back to being just growers. No meet and greets. No forms. No marketing. Back to handing the mj to the currier from the MMC and collecting some form of paycheck. The fun is going to be negotiating the contracts for the top end growers. This will be like football free agents sports. Grower free agency.... seriously. Option years. Out clauses if the THC level reaches a certain percentage......

Come on everybody. It is obvious what is going on here. Warren is an attorney. If he can represent the BIG dispensaries and get paid, thats his job. If he wants to create an environment for us growers that will make us "criminals" again, then that's more cases for him in court...and he gets paid again. Its a WIN/WIN situation for him

and at least he tells us how it is. no sugar coating

Unfortunately, I have to agree with both of you....

But I doubt the growers will be like free agents. I think the big pharma companies will just lurk on icmag, read books, and hire mexican farmers to tend their fields...

 

[cannagirl]

Warren, I am no one disciple as I follow my own road! You said it yourself, ATF goes into a brewery one or two times a year, not every week and on harvest days. And as far as scripts go, have you been to or read about south Florida? You can go into 5 or 6 pain clinics in one day and get hundreds of opiates of all kinds, no medical docs needed.

As a grower, Im for legalization but dont make the laws and regulations favor the big boys and corporations first, and then make it legal, basically setting the framework for big business and pharma companies to control this industry.

We the growers need a voice in this legislation and right now we dont have one!

 

[Greenmopho]

Warren, I am no one disciple as I follow my own road! You said it yourself, ATF goes into a brewery one or two times a year, not every week and on harvest days. And as far as scripts go, have you been to south Florida? You can go into 5 or 6 pain clinics in one day and get hundreds of opiates of all kinds, no medical docs needed.

As a grower, Im for legalization but dont make the laws and regulations favor the big boys and corporations first, and then make it legal, basically setting the framework for big business and pharma companies to control this industry.

We the growers need a voice in this legislation and right now we dont have one!

I don't think its possible to have full out legalization without big business....its one or the other.....its the American way.....

And on the "free agent" growers....yea right, big companies will be quick to undercut us, and import thai weed or mexican weed legally for 10% of what they would pay us. Look at how they treat scientists and engineers.....hire em fresh outta college, pay em dirt, after 5 years when they have experience and expect a raise, can 'em and hire some new dumb college kids. There will always be stupid people willing to learn how to do it (even if it is half ass) for a fraction of what you would expect to get paid....hell, it won't be long until they outsource that also! God bless America, Inc. [Flag Made in China]