exactly, gluttony = abuse
above and beyond "chronic use"
also, imo, my pal would have hypermesis "attacks" in times of stress, nothing extreme, kind of stress you should be able to smoke away with a dab or 3.
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exactly, gluttony = abuse
above and beyond "chronic use"
also, imo, my pal would have hypermesis "attacks" in times of stress, nothing extreme, kind of stress you should be able to smoke away with a dab or 3.
Dready_jake
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Sorry I wasn't connecting that example to anything I was just saying weed has and does still travel around the world still. And so world wide cases doesn't necessarily prove anything
All I'm saying is that hypermesis needs to prove it is caused by the cannabis and not something like neem which is "safe" by all measurements except it still isn't good to smoke. Nobody assumes neem is going to be smoked in any of those studies, and therefore there is still a factor in whether or not it was something else.
I still hold that diet was the underlying issue.
26 people is NOT enough people to say this study is in fact irrefutable proof. Remember the government telling us scientist found cannabis killed brain cells with all those dead monkeys?
All I'm saying is that its not conclusive by any means. The study referenced another study and the first references of it are "controlled substances act" I'm sorry I ask questions when they're referencing know anti cannabis propagandas.
he states In the study that the symptoms differ wildly between the 26 people with only a handful experiencing the wretching.
He also stated that symptoms stopped with cessation of cannabis use. Doesn't that also mean they would have stopped smoking pesticides too? All I'm saying is it may call for more study to be done but is by no means conclusive proof of CHS
Well, until some other commonality is found among those affected it seems most likely that extreme cannabis consumption is the causal agent. I figure that the most exuberant among us need to be aware of the possibility.
Cannabis chemistry & interaction with the human body is really very poorly understood from a scientific perspective. The extreme complexity & diversity of compounds, the psychoactive nature of many & affinity of metabolites for fatty tissue all add to that.
I think we all know that thc-cooh stays in fatty tissue for an extended time but we really don't know much about all of the other metabolites formed from the 85 known cannabinoids in cannabis. It's entirely possible that some very minor unstudied component can build up to allergic levels in some people, causing the range of symptoms described.
I merely entertain the possibility that CHS could be a legit concern for some people rather than attempting to dismiss it reflexively as prohibitionist propaganda. With the lies of prohibition being rapidly dispelled, the truth about cannabis won't hurt us because there's not enough bad in it to matter.
Cannabis chemistry & interaction with the human body is really very poorly understood from a scientific perspective. The extreme complexity & diversity of compounds, the psychoactive nature of many & affinity of metabolites for fatty tissue all add to that.
I think we all know that thc-cooh stays in fatty tissue for an extended time but we really don't know much about all of the other metabolites formed from the 85 known cannabinoids in cannabis. It's entirely possible that some very minor unstudied component can build up to allergic levels in some people, causing the range of symptoms described.
I merely entertain the possibility that CHS could be a legit concern for some people rather than attempting to dismiss it reflexively as prohibitionist propaganda. With the lies of prohibition being rapidly dispelled, the truth about cannabis won't hurt us because there's not enough bad in it to matter.
Interesting convo...
Then see how they react to them nasty Chems.
I think penalties for use of these banned chemicals should begin with a license suspension & immediately destroying of every single plant in the violating facility. License revocation should come after a second offence!
Screw me once,
Shame on you!
Screw me twice,
Shame on me!
Apparently I shouldn't have given you a second chance!
Glad I grow my own.
These lobbyists need to be sprayed w eagle 20, avid, mallet & floramite...
Then see how they react to them nasty Chems.
I think penalties for use of these banned chemicals should begin with a license suspension & immediately destroying of every single plant in the violating facility. License revocation should come after a second offence!
Screw me once,
Shame on you!
Screw me twice,
Shame on me!
Apparently I shouldn't have given you a second chance!
Glad I grow my own.
When does heavy consumption become abusive?
Seems like walking a very fine line to me.
I'm addicted to food!
I can't go for more than a day without it! (& I'm being fecitious too)
When it starts to seriously interfere with your life, one way or another. As a recovering cocaine addict & alcoholic, I speak from experience. That can be difficult to see from the inside, so much so that I attended a lot more funerals than I'd have liked.
Very heavy cannabis users need to be aware of the possibility of CHS & act accordingly if they experience the symptoms. It's too high a price to pay for gettin' high.
Dready_jake
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I still think that with all the millions of people and thousands of years of use, 26 people is anecdotal evidence at best. And that they need to prove it exists instead of scapegoating the herb that could have been tainted.
All I'm saying us they put out a study where they suffocated 99 monkeys and concluded it was cannabis that caused the brain cell death when in reality your brain cells die when you get suffocated. 26 people is not enough for this kind of study by any means. It may raise questions that require PROOF. But is not proof in and of itself. Scientific method says that study is anecdotal and inconclusive.
Dready_jake
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I entertain that possibility as well but retain that until proper testing and proof is compiled we can't say one way or the other, 26 people doesn't prove farts exist. And one reason I'm quick to dismiss is the studies mentioned in this study regarding chs, are all referencing the controlled substances acts which are all propaganda campaigns
Monsanto HAS genetically modified cannabis... Though it is not on the market, that we know of, a lot of their other products are. Since roughly 90% of the corn grown in the USA is genetically modified and studies have concluded that GM food is a serious health risk, I would think that more doctors would focus on this issue specifically for the purpose of finding the root cause of the symptoms suffered by their patients.
BUT...
Doctors aren't necessarily researchers after they get their licenses to practice, they're pushers, pushing the pharmaceutical industries agenda!
Doctors treat symptoms...
Most don't even look for a root cause!
That'd be way too much work!
I know I know...
Preaching to the choir yada yada yada.
BUT...
Doctors aren't necessarily researchers after they get their licenses to practice, they're pushers, pushing the pharmaceutical industries agenda!
Doctors treat symptoms...
Most don't even look for a root cause!
That'd be way too much work!
I know I know...
Preaching to the choir yada yada yada.
Dready_jake
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Thank you! That's all I'm trying to say is the people calling the shots arent in it to fix that persons problem. They just want evidence to say cannabis is bad and stop looking when satisfied. They don't proceed to prove anything either.
With lack of real proof and references to controlled substances acts all I'm saying is stuff could be skewed as there is an agenda. The study clearly states that none of these 26 people showed the exact same symptoms. With only a handful with wretching.
26 people each with different symptoms doesn't prove to me anything exist!
it is true about the "enemy" lobbyists, they are scum and will do anything for money, I know some of these fucks personally and.... yhea, scum of the earth, a blast of eagle 20 to the face wouldn't aint even the beginning for them.
Dready_jake
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Avanish, did your friend who showed the symptoms happen to use neem oil in his Organic garden?
My first reaction is not to believe that it's something real and it's made up. That it's propaganda to scare the masses which is being driven by these drug war type lobbyists. Their point of view is it's bad for you so you should NOT do it, and that's where all of their studies are pointing to. Or they are basing things of people making trips to hospitals because they ate to much or made an apple into a pipe and some ones little dog ate the apple.
I do believe that there are people that have sensitivities. Some of those sensitivities could account for those illnesses. In the past smoking buds and hash and making pot butter to make brownies was how people got high, and now fast forward to today you have people smoking these dabs and shatter that has had chemicals used to extract it, never mind that we use the same chemical in our lights every time we light up a bowl. It could be the chemicals, it could be the chemical pesticides, it could be some people are more sensitive to these chemicals. It could be that we are only now seeing (due to these chemical concentrates) that there are amounts/level/limits that a person can take before they get/become sick. This could vary from person to person. Or it could be that some strains don't agree with every one.
We need studies that are scientific, studies that say what the effects a person may have from smoking bud covered in Eagle 20, Avid or any of those others, Or the effects of smoking mold filled buds, different types of molds causing different health effects?
The world isn't flat just because those in charge say it is!
I do believe that there are people that have sensitivities. Some of those sensitivities could account for those illnesses. In the past smoking buds and hash and making pot butter to make brownies was how people got high, and now fast forward to today you have people smoking these dabs and shatter that has had chemicals used to extract it, never mind that we use the same chemical in our lights every time we light up a bowl. It could be the chemicals, it could be the chemical pesticides, it could be some people are more sensitive to these chemicals. It could be that we are only now seeing (due to these chemical concentrates) that there are amounts/level/limits that a person can take before they get/become sick. This could vary from person to person. Or it could be that some strains don't agree with every one.
We need studies that are scientific, studies that say what the effects a person may have from smoking bud covered in Eagle 20, Avid or any of those others, Or the effects of smoking mold filled buds, different types of molds causing different health effects?
The world isn't flat just because those in charge say it is!
not even, was a clean show and didn't NEED the neem at all bc didn't see any infestations... was a proper op. pics on icmag someplace....
Just visited my Amigo's shop in Silverton,, Silverton Green Works,, great strains the grape krush and cherry Ak's were looking just awzome no bugs or mold very nice simple set up the buds are tested in a lab in Dtown the Whitefire tested at 25% but couldn't hold a flame next to my BOG gear,, def worth the stop when riding the train up from Durango or visiting Silverton plain and simple, that being said just popped 4 Sour grape & 4 SLSD just cant get enough of that Bushy Old Grower stuff
What's everyone's favorite strain in Colorado currently?
I still haven't found anything to knock the Guerrilla Glue off the podium myself, although the search never stops!
I still haven't found anything to knock the Guerrilla Glue off the podium myself, although the search never stops!
I'm loving the glue as well...
BUT this canna-tsu will def give it a run for it's money in the flavor department, the cannatsu is all sorts of orange-y creamy sorbet. This last round it had subtle hints of camphor. Its lower thc (9%) but high in CBD (27%) according to tests done by the guy i got the cut from. super flavorful, without that glued up feeling, "daytime weed".
the search indeed, never stops, just popped some glue crosses and some new seeds in hopes of something extra special.
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