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MHBGuy
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Best I can report is that she isn't looking any worse, but so far flower tops still nodding and a long way from rehabilitated. As I think of it, between the tea last week and a light water yesterday, they had two weeks of lighter than normal water, so really hoping that is my problem.
I think ventilation is probably OK, a duct pushing a ton of air into the room continuously and a fan in the room circulating it through the plants
I think ventilation is probably OK, a duct pushing a ton of air into the room continuously and a fan in the room circulating it through the plants
MHBGuy
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Thanks, Mr Tea. You're giving me a bit of hope any way.
Still looking pretty shot down. The top inch or two on 3/4 of the branches have keeled over, some stems look like a vampire sucked them flat.
Until I noticed this this morning, I would have said it was the best plant in my garden and the rest of them still look perfectly healthy. Everyone got the same water, this one was watered second yesterday.
It certainly wasn't doing anything like a this before I watered it, maybe had a few droopy leaves down near the bottom of the plant.
It like something severed the water supply to 3/4 of the plant and one section, about 1/4 is still OK.
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What's the water retention in your soil like? Have you pulled them out of the pots to look for problems in the soil (i.e. pests)?
MHBGuy
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I repotted one about a week ago because it is a saliva strain and I wanted to be sure it had enough soil for a longer run. I checked out the roots while it was out and they looked great as they have every time I repotted.
I have some fungus gnats buzzing around and I am using BTI for them. This is second week of a new round of the BTI I bought in liquid form.
Would almost think I had poisoned it somehow but the other 4 plants all got the same water yesterday and they all look happy as a clam today.
Strange question, but I put a couple tablespoons of vinegar in a couple plastic trays with a cling wrap cover with a few holes poked in the top on the floor of the grow area to try and catch gnats. Any chance that the odor of the vinegar could have gassed this girl?
Water retention is OK I think. I have only been watering once a week when they seemed light or gave some indication of needing it. When you have gnats the prescription is "let the soil dry out" which it really does over a week's time and the plants have seemed fine up until this one.
I have some fungus gnats buzzing around and I am using BTI for them. This is second week of a new round of the BTI I bought in liquid form.
Would almost think I had poisoned it somehow but the other 4 plants all got the same water yesterday and they all look happy as a clam today.
Strange question, but I put a couple tablespoons of vinegar in a couple plastic trays with a cling wrap cover with a few holes poked in the top on the floor of the grow area to try and catch gnats. Any chance that the odor of the vinegar could have gassed this girl?
Water retention is OK I think. I have only been watering once a week when they seemed light or gave some indication of needing it. When you have gnats the prescription is "let the soil dry out" which it really does over a week's time and the plants have seemed fine up until this one.
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Corvette Doc
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With my trying to grow monster sized plants i tend to run them for way too long in veg.. Started seeds Christmas Eve, major cloning on Valentines, then run untill they are moved out doors in late May, count on finnish in mid Oct.. I see this in many of the plants starting in mid April. It comes from running too many plants in a small area. Some will take up water at different rates than the others, but we have no real way to see that in a closed pot. As a little is left in the edges of the pot that can't dirrectly drain out it leaves an area that naturally breeds anerobes. They will slowly spread and start dammaging the roots.
I keep the OF mix from last year and spread it out over my driveway (late Oct or Nov) for several weeks to dry and kill such things. The plants are started in fresh soil though. But when they start doing this i find that a replant into a MUCH larger pot with that old soil will stop the anerobic displacement. BUT you must not feed again untill you transplant to their summer home. Feeding will promote the growth of the anerobes. I hate stressing them with underwatering but in the end that is the only way i have found to keep this at bay in my small grow closet.
Now it is time to hear how many jump up and say that i am doing it wrong. I don't like talking about this because of that, but sometimes i get a precious jewel of info from some-one in those arguments that does lead to an improvement...Adding a lot of large perlite has helped and i wouldn't have thought of that on my own.
I keep the OF mix from last year and spread it out over my driveway (late Oct or Nov) for several weeks to dry and kill such things. The plants are started in fresh soil though. But when they start doing this i find that a replant into a MUCH larger pot with that old soil will stop the anerobic displacement. BUT you must not feed again untill you transplant to their summer home. Feeding will promote the growth of the anerobes. I hate stressing them with underwatering but in the end that is the only way i have found to keep this at bay in my small grow closet.
Now it is time to hear how many jump up and say that i am doing it wrong. I don't like talking about this because of that, but sometimes i get a precious jewel of info from some-one in those arguments that does lead to an improvement...Adding a lot of large perlite has helped and i wouldn't have thought of that on my own.
I've never had a problem with the bottom of my pots going anaerobic. Surely they have had their fair share of water build up in the bottom inch or two of my smart pots, but I've never seen it become an issue for myself or almost anyone else i've seen with hand watering organics. MHBGuy would really have to be fucking it up badly if it got to that stage.
Sorry if my post offended you....this is as polite as i've ever been.
Sorry if my post offended you....this is as polite as i've ever been.
Corvette Doc
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Key word there, Smart Pots. They breath unlike the plastic type most of us are using because we can't afford the better option. For some reason clay seems to breath better as well.
The only reason i posted what i do to correct the problem is that i see that i might have a similar problem starting to develop in my greenhouses and i don't have any way to transplant out of there. These constant rains are getting into my open greenhouse set-up. I am hoping to see something new before it kills my girls. I have to go...will try to explain better later.
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I might be a little late to the party but it looks like it just needs water.
I'll take my hard pots over a cock-sock any day LMFAO.... never before in my life have I felt like such a molester than the day I pulled a plant out of one of those....
Corvette Doc
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Yeah Seafour, I did pick the wrong word there...They are another choice, better in some ways but problematic in others.
I found that the cloth type bags seem to work easier for me up to the 1 gallon size after that transplanting gets a lot harder for some reason. But almost any 5 gallon pot and root-ball become hard to transplant out of w/o hurting the ball. The best solution i have seen is a guy that cuts the bottoms out of 5 gallon buckets and uses 4 wires to hold the bottom in. I don't like trimming away enough to give the bucket room to slide up before cutting it down it's side. Every-one chooses for a variety of reasons why they prefer one type over another, but i usually have to just settle with whatever is at hand.
Took these today...Why i had to leave. Trying to divert flooding.
Unfortunately i seem to have accidently recreated the situation outside this year. We haven't had rains like this in a very long time and i seem to have forgoten that we can get some serious monsunal rains around here on rare years. I dug out my greenhouses to 30 inches deep for the length and width of each enclosure to place my soil in. The clay here is almost as hard as rock...it took a long time to dig those because of how hard it is. After mixing up some good soil to fill the hole i put about 2-3 inches of clay over the entire area to help hold moisture and deflect some of the heat since it is closer to white than a good soil mix should be. I then pull back this clay layer around each planting site and leave the clay over the center. This also helps lessen the compacting of the good soil when i walk over it. Look at this base;
I took these pics Saturday before killing 2 hermies.
This should allow good breathing through the square planting areas and give lots of area under foot for the roots to expand into yet leave some room for draining untill the clay under finally absorbs it...which goes VERY slowly when the clay is this hard. This system has worked VERY well for me for the last 2 years. Then this year we start getting more rain than i have seen this century and i find that there is a good chance that the moisture is causing the ballance of microbials to shift toward the bad side. the only idea i have is maybe dill holes to the bottom and force fresh air down them but i can't figgure out a way, so i am hoping another idea might come up here. Hopefully something cheap.
I found that the cloth type bags seem to work easier for me up to the 1 gallon size after that transplanting gets a lot harder for some reason. But almost any 5 gallon pot and root-ball become hard to transplant out of w/o hurting the ball. The best solution i have seen is a guy that cuts the bottoms out of 5 gallon buckets and uses 4 wires to hold the bottom in. I don't like trimming away enough to give the bucket room to slide up before cutting it down it's side. Every-one chooses for a variety of reasons why they prefer one type over another, but i usually have to just settle with whatever is at hand.
Unfortunately i seem to have accidently recreated the situation outside this year. We haven't had rains like this in a very long time and i seem to have forgoten that we can get some serious monsunal rains around here on rare years. I dug out my greenhouses to 30 inches deep for the length and width of each enclosure to place my soil in. The clay here is almost as hard as rock...it took a long time to dig those because of how hard it is. After mixing up some good soil to fill the hole i put about 2-3 inches of clay over the entire area to help hold moisture and deflect some of the heat since it is closer to white than a good soil mix should be. I then pull back this clay layer around each planting site and leave the clay over the center. This also helps lessen the compacting of the good soil when i walk over it. Look at this base;
This should allow good breathing through the square planting areas and give lots of area under foot for the roots to expand into yet leave some room for draining untill the clay under finally absorbs it...which goes VERY slowly when the clay is this hard. This system has worked VERY well for me for the last 2 years. Then this year we start getting more rain than i have seen this century and i find that there is a good chance that the moisture is causing the ballance of microbials to shift toward the bad side. the only idea i have is maybe dill holes to the bottom and force fresh air down them but i can't figgure out a way, so i am hoping another idea might come up here. Hopefully something cheap.
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Corvette Doc
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Can't add pics to edit???
MHBGuy
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Good laugh from that one!
Man, I wish it had been.
Been playing Columbo for the past 24 hours and best guess is operator error.
I think I fucked it with a combination of factors and cooked 3/4 of the plant in a hot humid micro-climate because of a polyester shower curtain I was using to retain light. (it's gone now)
My best guess is watering and then closing the room up 5 hours early spiked humidity and that combined with heat from the lamp (the plant was dead center), and then with the curtain likely draping around the plant created a schvitz and sweated out the larger leaves and tops of branches on 3/4 of the plant.
There is a portion of the plant that did not get hit and the the lower buds and small leaves on the branches that got toasted still seem to be alive.
Was going to pollenate a portion anyway, so will likely just make it a seed mother at this point.
I remembered that I took some pics of a spider in the grow room I was going to try and identify. Funnel web I think, also have a cellar spider down there.
and then realized I had snapped a pic right before I left the house.
It was fine.
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Corvette Doc- You might be able to bore a sump or sumps deeper into the underlying clay in the greenhouse, pump out water as it seeps down in the event of a serious flood. If you were doing it over again, you could lay perforated drainage pipe at the bottom of the pit leading to a sump. Hindsight is always 20/20, huh?
Boring holes & setting pieces of perf pipe in them might help, dunno.
CO clay soils can be near impossible. My sister had a place just north of Sloan's Lake where the soil would be better described as shale than clay. digging post holes was an ordeal, even with a gas auger.
Boring holes & setting pieces of perf pipe in them might help, dunno.
CO clay soils can be near impossible. My sister had a place just north of Sloan's Lake where the soil would be better described as shale than clay. digging post holes was an ordeal, even with a gas auger.
This might be your spider, MHBGuy-
http://bugguide.net/node/view/802985/bgimage
Too bad about the plant. Live & learn.
http://bugguide.net/node/view/802985/bgimage
Too bad about the plant. Live & learn.
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