Cold n Wet Sativas

[Bob Green]

Sounds like Charlie outdid him self with the Mextiza. I should have a few packs of those on the way.

Bangi, NepJam, Mextiza, Nepalese Highland are all line breed. I think the reg Mextiza are an f3, and NepJam, Bangi, and Nepalese Highland(line breed five or six times to IX6 selection after getting it from Reeferman) being something like an F6. These are lines that he put years of hard work and risk to produce. True breeding stock. It will be hard to get results like these from any other company.

 

[Bob Green]

I used to grow outdoors in your area. Tough climate but you can pull it off.

We had a Thai that woult not even start to bud in late October. Over the years I did see some exeptional sativa buds out there in the PNW.

I had a Hawaiian that did pretty good outdoors there but she was lost.

I would second the Queen Mother too. I think Queen Mother, Nepalese Highland, and Mextiza would be my first round draft picks for a project like that. Shit I am at 31N and they are top picks. But I do invest into long flowering Sativas as well.

Make sure they get full sun and plenty of root space and I think you will be kicking ass in Sativa heaven in no time.

 

[Tiredofschwag]

ValleyKush--there is someone selling Oaxacca seeds on Attitude, but I don't remember who as I've looked at so many lately. The problem is they don't call it Oaxacca. It might also be an auto. I'll try and find it later for you.

Try looking at Flash Copacabana Auto as they say it is good for rainy climate. It sounds fabulous to me and I might order it. Start it early indoors and put it out after frost and it should finish before the fall. Problem is Attitude is sold out but other vendors still have it.

 

[Tiredofschwag]

Ha Ha, there it is----Sativa Seeds "Eldorado". Not an auto.

 

[Tiredofschwag]

Read the strainhunters guide for Oaxaca Sative (Eldorado) and you will see that this might be the one. It's fast and strong and is traditionally grown under the forest canopy and this is a godsend for anyone in a rainy climate and trying to avoid helicopters. It will start to flower on 14 hours of light as the fall comes along so should finish

I've been to Acapulco 39 times and this is what they sell there as commercial. I got some every time I went there and even if I asked for Acapulco Gold, I got Oaxacan. It was very strong and always had seeds. So good and so cheap. Even in Puerto Vallarta they seem to sell the same thing.

 

[simple gardener]

The Himalayan charas sativas from TRSC look very interesting.

 

[Tiredofschwag]

Burmese Pure always finished for me in about 63 days and I found it was very dominant in my crosses.

Reeferman has used it in his 3 way cross called Bodhi with Thai, Cambodian and Burmese. He claims it finishes in 63 to 77 days. I would certainly have it on the list as he claims it uses the 3 strongest sativas on earth. How did the Thai and Cambodian end up at 63 days is probably because of the Burmese. Regular seeds is nice as you can make hundreds of seeds and select for what you need for the future.

Because these are land race sativas you can search for the growing conditions in the area where they grow.

 

[CharlesUFarley]

Good luck in your search,lots of experience and knowledge chiming in.I can relate our experience this year with our first large outdoor grow.We had many Panama's along with other strains.One of the other strains got a bad case of PM and one of the reasons it didn't spread more and cause more problems was that the offending plant(s) were surrounded by the Panama's.I am about five hours east of you and normally don't have the dampness and humidity that you deal with every fall.However this year was the wettest I can remember in some time.Our PDC got a big of rot but not bad as my partner was right on top of it and some of the Panama's were getting drenched and seemed no worse for it.I have a few pictures posted on the Panama thread of our outdoor run this year.Most of ACE's Sativa's will do pretty well in your area (I wouldn't run Malawi) and I think Bangi Haze would be an outstanding choice.I wish you all the best and good luck with your projects,take care and be safe everyone.

 

[Gemüse]

Hey guys back with some more questions. I live in the wonderful Pacific North West at about 48 N and it rains a lot here (the only temperate rain forest in North America) and the first frost is November 1-10.

I have some great outdoor genetics for a reliable harvest from ace (bangi and nepjam) and hybrids from hell but I want to try to acclimatize some pure sativas. This will be a life long breeding endeavor to create a temperate rain forest "landrace" sativa. That being said, obviously the genetics I start with are important considering I want to work with them as long as I physically can. I have a greenhouse which I will take them into on extra cold and stormy nights or days, but I want them to experience the weather as much as possible (while still letting them mature) in order to let the future generations prepare for some serious downpours.

So who can handle the wet and cold the best? My first picks seem to be the Purple Haze, PH x Thai, Zamaladelica, Malawi, Guatemala, Laos Luang Prabang and Thai Stick. As these seem to have the strongest resistance to bud rot and cold. This isn't really about practicality, more of an experiment, but still would like some advice as to who would best handle such an unfavorable climate. If after 10 or so years I can't seem to find what I am looking for I may throw some quicker flowering sativas in but for now I'm going to try to push these genetics and see how they adapt.
Thanks for looking and happy new year

Hey Valley Kush,
interestng Project really, i am also really intereted in landrace sativas (narrow leaf drug what ever you call them ) Im at 50N with less rain than you. Ace based strains i tried the laos luang prabang also in small Greenhouse. Enjoy the mellow for some friends heart racing high. Harvest was early though and this years 3 Laos plants have all shown to be males. I have few more seeds and will try to make many pure Laos seeds next year. This one should be in the garden some more times

greetings Gemüse

 

[scai]

I live near Arctic Circle and the only one I can vouch for is Zamaldelica.I have tried her up to minus degrees and she is still performing.However, if you get dense flowering, it might be better to take her indoors and less humidity.
But that one is one for sure to perform.

 

[ValleyKush]

So many options not enough room! I think I am going to try out the panama, zamaldelica, maybe the laos luang prabang (anybody recommend a different thai of aces to try?) and hopefully a Nepalese from Bodhi if he releases more before this summer. It sounds like if I keep them root bound, give low ferts and take them in the greenhouse on stormy nights I will be able to get a harvest of seeds out of them at the very least.

Keep the ideas coming guys, love the first hand experiences!

 

[dubi]

Hey guys back with some more questions. I live in the wonderful Pacific North West at about 48 N and it rains a lot here (the only temperate rain forest in North America) and the first frost is November 1-10.

I have some great outdoor genetics for a reliable harvest from ace (bangi and nepjam) and hybrids from hell but I want to try to acclimatize some pure sativas. This will be a life long breeding endeavor to create a temperate rain forest "landrace" sativa. That being said, obviously the genetics I start with are important considering I want to work with them as long as I physically can. I have a greenhouse which I will take them into on extra cold and stormy nights or days, but I want them to experience the weather as much as possible (while still letting them mature) in order to let the future generations prepare for some serious downpours.

Hi ValleyKush,

As others pointed out in the thread, Bangi Haze is perfect for your growing conditions and to start mold resistant sativa breeding projects at your latitude and weather.
It has been bred several generations to mature correctly outdoors in conditions like yours. It's also quite inbred, so it's a very useful line to cross with other more untamed sativa landraces with longer flowering time (like a pure wild nepalese or a north indian). Nepal Jam is interesting for the same reasons too, although has slightly more indica profile than Bangi Haze.

Other sativa dominant strains worth to consider: Congo and Tikal, both quite mold resistant and tested at your latitude. If you are looking for a pure sativa then Zamaldelica is a great choice, very mold resistant and has a lovely sativa high. Malawi and Panama will work there too if the season is good, especially if you have a greenhouse to protect them in the worst days at late flowering.

Hope it helps, dubi

 

[ValleyKush]

Thanks dubi! I have 6 bangi and 10 nepjam going right now inside and am going to hopefully reveg them in time for this years summer (if not have back up clones). Got 4 out of 4 females on the first bangi I popped so far so good! These bangi are the bushyest plants I've ever had! The most compact one must have 25 tops in an area the size of my hand after a little LSTing.

Do you have any recommendations on who would do best between all the thais?

 

[BigNoise]

ValleyKush, I am looking forward to seeing how this project goes. I want to do pretty much the exact same thing (I am just south of you, Oregon 46*N). I have daydreamed about going Johnny Ganja-seed on my county someday, lol.

This year is going to be my first grow, and I plan on running mostly HFH gear, but I haven't seen many people getting over 1/2 pound. Do you think that is because a lot of the guys running HFH are at 50-60* North? I was hoping to find a couple other breeders stuff to run that might get me into the 2+ pound range (looking at Ace and GanjaRebelSeeds). What kind of yield have you gotten from your HFH (and your Bangi and NepJam for that matter)?

 

[ValleyKush]

I haven't actually ran them outdoors yet so I am in the same boat as you. It seems to me that most of the hfh grows I can find logs for are guerrilla style so maybe a lack of light and love is why they don't always yield the best.
Honestly I don't think that you really need any of hfh's gnarlier gear in your area (presuming your not butted right against/ in the west side mountains) It might not seem like that big of a difference but we get A LOT more rain then you guys do. That being said, the Leb27 or any of their newer hybrids would be my go if I didn't get so much rain, although I am gona run the leb anyways just to see.
From the logs I have seen the Bangi and NepJam both can be huge yeilders, I would check out ThaiBliss's grow log in this subforum for some beautiful Bangi's done outdoors last summer for a start.
I haven't ran them yet but bought a couple packs this year to try out, Oregon Green Seed seems like it has some promise if her plants end up being as good as they sound. She uses hfh and dr. greenthumb in some of her hybrids and they seem a little better fitted for the slightly less extreme environment. I have also heard that dinafem's blue widow is a massive yeilder done early enough for you but that is secondhand.

 

[BigNoise]

I bet with enough soil and sun I could get some 2-3 pounders off of HFH seeds. We'll find out!

Where I'm at gets about 70 inches of wet per year. I'm assuming you're north Oly?

I'm familiar with OGS...I'll give Dr. Greenthumb a look too. Which ThaiBliss thread are you referring too?

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=265981

or

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=278209

Once I get my post count up I'll probably be messaging a few of my fellow Cascadians (I've been bookmarking y'all, lol) to get some more tips.

 

[ValleyKush]

Wow 70 inches, I didn't think anywhere in Oregon got that much rain, you must be up against the mountains? I think where I'm at averages like 100 inches a year, definitely butted up against some big mountains.

I guess it isn't his thread, its in the sticky https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=31203&page=51 Lots of good info in the whole thread, I read it front to back.

 

[BigNoise]

Oh yeah, some spots up in the coast range get over 150 inches. I'm not to far above sea level. I'm pretty sure with an earth sheltered, light dep, mild supplemental light greenhouse, I could pull crops almost year round with very low power bills.

I'll dig through that thread. Do you know where ThaiBliss is growing?

 

[ValleyKush]

I've had a similar thought myself. This year I could have grown all winter if I'd had known it was going to be so mild. Too bad I didn't have some purple haze going lol probably would have finished pretty well in the green house. Who knows though, winter could come back full force next week.

I don't, but I'm sure he has said, I think something like 42 lat. idk tho

 

[ValleyKush]

Dubi and others, who do you think would do best in my climate? Laos Luang Prabang or Guatemala?