Cold n Wet Sativas

[ValleyKush]

Hey guys back with some more questions. I live in the wonderful Pacific North West at about 48 N and it rains a lot here (the only temperate rain forest in North America) and the first frost is November 1-10.

I have some great outdoor genetics for a reliable harvest from ace (bangi and nepjam) and hybrids from hell but I want to try to acclimatize some pure sativas. This will be a life long breeding endeavor to create a temperate rain forest "landrace" sativa. That being said, obviously the genetics I start with are important considering I want to work with them as long as I physically can. I have a greenhouse which I will take them into on extra cold and stormy nights or days, but I want them to experience the weather as much as possible (while still letting them mature) in order to let the future generations prepare for some serious downpours.

So who can handle the wet and cold the best? My first picks seem to be the Purple Haze, PH x Thai, Zamaladelica, Malawi, Guatemala, Laos Luang Prabang and Thai Stick. As these seem to have the strongest resistance to bud rot and cold. This isn't really about practicality, more of an experiment, but still would like some advice as to who would best handle such an unfavorable climate. If after 10 or so years I can't seem to find what I am looking for I may throw some quicker flowering sativas in but for now I'm going to try to push these genetics and see how they adapt.
Thanks for looking and happy new year

 

[Undomesticated]

Fun! Interested to see where it goes. I don't have anything to offer from personal experience, but anecdotally, I've seen many here mention Zamaldelica's ability to resist the colder elements. Not sure about the others. Good luck!

 

[Koondense]

Interesting stuff,
I did the same thing in my mind but the lack of resources kept it non-materialized

For a perspective, go check some of "Yoss33's" threads, Kono's "ACE Outdoors and Guerrilla" and some of "Waldgeist's" threads and many posts here and there.

I had a first try with Malawi and AngolaThai, Malawi got very moldy and it seems thai genes give the AxT very good outdoor resistence.

These strains definitely need a greenhouse. With bad weather and cold the flowering slows a lot in the north, so most strains will probably not be able to finish until spring

Can't imagine what can happen in 10 generations but I guess it's gonna be a very hard job to do with questionable results.

If I was doing it, I'd start with Congo, South African, Nepalese and Mexican varieties, maybe a fast thai if it exists...
Like mextiza X highlandNepal could be fast, just guessing.


Good luck with your experiment, I'll surely be here to follow the progress.


Cheers

 

[Tiredofschwag]

Try anything that grows high up in the mountains just underneath the cloud forest. The higher up the mountains the colder it gets. I grow Burmese pure that grows like that because I grow in a cool/cold basement (cool air is more humid). Oaxacca is mountainous and rainy during summer. Columbian gold Santa Marta is at sea level and very hot and rainy during summer.

 

[waveguide]

certainly a shared objective.. i'd say bob about, read a few threads and make friends with some of the sativa enthusiasts in northern climes, ought to save you a few generations.

 

[ValleyKush]

Thanks for the responses guys! I have seen many of the ace northern outdoor crews threads and really they have inspired me to begin this journey. Just kind of trying to squeeze some more juice out of this amazing little corner of icmag.

Great advice so far!

 

[Bleiweis]

Not trying to be a d*ck but cold air is not more humid Hot air holds up more humidty...but when air cools down all that humidty gets droped off to condensations sites
Ontopic...try some fast sativas maybe? Mexico-mextiza, Ciskei, Congo (like Koondense said). Im sure Dubi will jump in soon with reliable data

 

[MostlyMe]

Ace's description of Bangi Haze:

Bangi Haze has been developed in Galicia, one of the coldest and rainiest areas in Spain. After several generations of improvement, this sativa has acquired a surprising resistance against cold, rain and all types of fungus, being practically immune to mildew. It produces excellent results, flowering even on foggy or icy days (in conditions where other varieties would easily die or rot).

 

[Rinse]

Look into some Nepalese or North Indian sativa's - they have monsoon season over there and the plants are the most resistant to wet weather Ive encountered.

The Guatemala should be good, not sure about its weather resistance though.

 

[Shooters]

I sub-ed in on this as I'm in the same boat...er Rain Forest.

I'm going to try the Bangi Haze myself along with all the others I'm already working.

I've also got an area on my property picked out to try and create a landrace for my little micro-climate.

 

[MostlyMe]

Ace's description of Bangi Haze:

Apologies, I failed to notice you were already working with Bangi. There are more African strains that may suit your purpose, such as Durban Poison and Ciskei, although you probably feel these are already too quick to be a challenge

I know Canadian breeders managed to create quick strains with an impressive sativa high, but they mixed in some indica for sure. If you achieve what you want, that would truly be a milestone in cannabis history IMO. Many breeders will want to work with your seeds!

 

[rolandomota]

Pck x purple haze males. Take the most sativa males and back crosd to pck. That should give a fast wet and cold resistant colorful hybrid with a mostly sativa high. Good luck i can grow untill around this time of year in a arid desert climate so mold and long flowering times are no issue for me yet i still plan on making something like this with grape krush too but only f1 crosses for me no backross for faster flowering my weather is good. Guatemala is a jungle fast sativa

 

[MostlyMe]

Pck x purple haze males. Take the most sativa males and back crosd to pck. That should give a fast wet and cold resistant colorful hybrid with a mostly sativa high. Good luck i can grow untill around this time of year in a arid desert climate so mold and long flowering times are no issue for me yet i still plan on making something like this with grape krush too but only f1 crosses for me no backross for faster flowering my weather is good. Guatemala is a jungle fast sativa

That would be the tried and true method, but IMO not nearly as cool as keeping the genetics 100 % sativa. You can always notice the indica in the high, no matter how diluted. The result can still be great, but there are plenty of crosses like that. A true sativa capable of surviving a US rainforest on the other hand... now that's something special.

 

[miris]

High
I have similar weather at 49. Second week of october can be limit time for good hatvest potencial. Ive tryed some bangi haze she was very resistant but started to flower around 1october so depend on pheno. Not sure here i can imagine the good qualities but man must finding more nepalese side..

Nepalese jam nep.pheno was around middle oct. But sometimes it lacks some better power . Jamaican tall pheno is stronger and in good year she can be done. I like this one.

Forget about malawi / gt and zamaldelica /thais the harvest time is simple too late . Last time we have had thai gt with bud mold but without sign of powdery mildew even when room was full.Thais are obviously resistant but tooo looong to mature.

So my advice is to find in bangi haze and jamaica pheno Nj for outdoor...you must use of course prevention in all ways . Previcur helps

 

[grandsrin]

Hi bangi is ok at 50 north, finish the 20 october from seeds, and the mextiza finish the 8 october this year and NO mold with a rainy weather .
enjoy

 

[simple gardener]

Can anyone comment on Queen Mother for this purpose?
I'm testing her in wet weather right now and I'm quite impressed so far. I'll let you know how she finishes.

 

[Bleiweis]

I tested QM this year...grows columnar and is very strechy-at least mine was. She was the last one to start flowering outdoor (47N) and i chopped her down in the middle of october or maybe even a bit later. She was very moldy at the end...although this year was extremly wet here.
The high is very plesant though...very clear! I think she could be used as a starting point for breeding

 

[ValleyKush]

koondense: They have honestly been my inspiration to start this project! Really opened my eyes to the flexibility of this beautiful plant. Thanks for the suggestions.

Tiredofschwag: I wonder where could I find some good Oaxacca seeds?

Bleiweis: Where could I find some Mexico-mextiza seeds? Never heard of them

rinse: Forgot to mention the Nepalese in my list but plan on getting my hands on some of bodhi's different Nepalese that he plans on releasing.

Mostlyme: Thanks for the responses! Would deffenitly like to keep it pure sativa for the time being, like I said maybe after years of failure I may toss some indica in but for now I'm gona try the hard way. I have a greenhouse so I am hopeing that that will give me the extra time I need to at least get some seeds for the following year that know what they are in for.

miris: I think I can of set the late harvest with a green house as long as they are resistant enough, if you have seen some of the threads that koondense mentions some people have pulled it off with seeds strait from dubi, I feel like a few generations in harsh weather will make it totally do-able. After years of failure I can always toss some nepjam/ bangi in the mix to speed it up but for now I want to push the resistance of the long flowering rain forest strains in a colder environment and see what happens. Again, this is an experiment and at this point failure is ok with me.

grandsrin: Haven't heard of the mextiza, old canabiogen it seems like?

simple gardener: Who breeds the QM? Only could find one thread and it looks like a beauty

 

[Bleiweis]

You can get mextiza from retailers "everywhere"...otherwise the breeder is Cannabiogen. Send them an email to check for availability of seeds
The breeders behind Queen mother are the guys from Original delicatessen.

I think you can pull it off with pure sativa...you just need to be careful with the selection. Adding indica will results in muddiness of the high...at least i almost always notice it. So try to avoid that for the best result of sativa experience goodluck

 

[simple gardener]

ValleyKush, try searching "reina madre" for more hits.

Good luck with your search. I have huge respect for this kind of breeding, not many breeders left who do their own hard pioneering work without taking any shortcuts. Too much novelty, not enough authenticity.