Coco, BURNS lol

[Guest]

So i have tried a few coco plants and i seem to keep nute burning them with watering once every 2 days with full str PBP. I have flushed, one has died the others look like shit, and one on fire... At least the one of fire was a male, did i forget to tell you guys coco burns? I was ashing in one of my unwatered males pots and came back to see it in flames ... hummm I thinkin i might take a break from the coco and stick to hydotron again .

 

[Guest]

If Im not mistaken, at full strength feedings your supposed to alternate with fresh water. Make sure that you get a small amount of runnoff. Im trying out a run with botanicare.

 

[NiteTiger]

Gotta flush that coco like CRAZY. I usually flush with 5x the volume when I reconstitute it. And it dries out really quick, so I water once a day.

 

[Old Soul]

I had constant problems with my coco until I started watering everyday. I feed everyday and never go full strength and they are healthier than they have ever been. If you let coco dry out in between waterings the salts build up and cause lockout. I think once you get it dialed you will be happy with the results.

Peace

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

I have only been using coco for maybe a month and change and can already tell you the two mistakes you made.

1.nute burning them with watering once every 2 days If you are handwatering you should either water every day with a lil run off. Or water it 3-4 times a day in small amounts. But you need to water coco everyday.

2.with full strigth PBP With coco and nutes, less is more. Dont feed them in regular doses as you would soil. Coco has a much higher absorption rate than soil and nutes go right to the roots. So no need to feed em heavy since all that goodness is sucked up ASAP


I use botanicare coco and canna A & B nutes. I dont use a PH meter, i dont check EC and i dont measure PPM. I let my tap water sit for 24 hours , mix nutes up in a 1 gallon jug ( i use 10-15ML of foodper gallon of water tops) and dont have any lockout or deficiencies. Just big healthy plants by handwatering and using a small amount of nutes. It aint that hard bro, stick with it





Nevermind

 

[suckerrepellent]

make sure you are giving your plants some clean water at least once between your nutrient feedings. to be safe, you might consider feeding them nutes only twice a week until you see a turn around. give your plants a nice amount of nitrogen to get those leaves green and healthy again (aassuming you are still in veg), and make sure you don't burn your room down lol. on a serious note though, and if there is a vet out there that can correct me if this is wrong please do so, but i heard that carbon monoxide (i believe one of the ingredients in smoke) isn't healthy for the plants.

 

[Gangsta Lean]

^^^^^
what they said

 

[Guest]

Coco has a very high cation exchange capacity and nutrients are very readily available. More frequent, lower strength feedings are on order with coco. Of course a clean coir fibre is key to start. Get a good brand Ie Canna, Botanicare, Empire organics or the like and water once a day to 10% run off (approximate). I am feeding a plant outdoors in straight canna coco with organic teas as I ran out of room in the flowering cabinet. I make the tea that I think is right and then cut it in half with water! My others are on cns-17 bloom and not overfeeding has been tough. Even after years with the canna line and no probs. The organic plant is the best I have had in a long time. I think this will be my new coco style for a while. Just drop a nylon in the res with guano, maxicrop seaweed, castings, humic shale ore, mollasses and what ever else sound good.

Good luck

 

[BlindDate]

Did you wash the coco first?

Very Important!

 

[Guest]

Did you wash the coco first?

Very Important!

Very very important. The readings that are in Bio-Novas coco say it's under 400uS but by some magic I get readings over 1800 with my Hanna combo!
Flush it, when you think you've flushed it enough, repeat.

 

[Guest]

Just put my mother in coco against my better judgment

Lost both spg x dc in bloom, toasted from pbp .... and have been flushing my HW snow to see if it makes it.

 

[stretchpup]

For Vegging

For Vegging

Slips.. all my moms are in coco.

I go against every norm on here and don't water daily. This is strictly veg/mom routine. Sometimes they go completely dry, sometimes not, I'm lazy about it and never had a problem. This is in 6" to 8" pots as well as 32oz cups of coco for rooting. I've never changed the feed. 1tsp FNG, LK, Calmag/gal always.

It's been months and months and months too, I never flushed... so despite everyones warnings and tips I know it can be done other ways as well.

I think momma should be fine!

 

[Guest]

Yeah right now all my vegg coco plants are on 1/2 str cn17 grow ph'd i try to let my coco dry out as i feel like i'm overwatering still for the seedlings. .

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

Yeah right now all my vegg coco plants are on 1/2 str cn17 grow ph'd i try to let my coco dry out as i feel like i'm overwatering still for the seedlings. .

Good luck to you bro, i know you got skills and once you get comfortable with coco it will be a breeze. Im glad i read most of this forum before i made the switch. the general consensus from reading thru is that full strength nutes arent needed, most treat coco as soil their first run and thats the mistake. Since things are absorbed at a much higher rate than soil its not needed to blast them with nutes like we do with soil. Just give em what they want a lil bit at a time is all you gotta do. While watering em all in coco can be a pain in the ass its worth it. I used to water til runoff ( 10-15%) once a day, but now i water 3-4 times a day and just give them enough rip before the point of runoff. While more labor intensive it seems to work well and i save a lil bit on wasting nutes with the runoff.

Though a lil runoff in the begining of last transplant is good IMHO . Since you have a lil sitting water at the bottom the roots will go straight down and stick out of the bottom ( i got 6-10 inches roots sticking out of my growbags,lol)



Best of luck to you bro. Go easy at first and get the feel and you will be on cruise control in no time






Nevermind

 

[Burt]

your hitting them way too hard-cocoa has a high cation rate-that means the medium is hardly a buffer-go half dose every other day

 

[Guest]

I get lazy to sometimes about the mothers and such. I do believe that watering to some run off is critical as coco will collect salts. Remember that although you should run to waste each time, you should also be feeding at a much lower ec/ppm. Hence less nutes used anyway!!! Nitrogen is the element that will get ya quick with the high cation exchange and the salts next. The only other concern is mag/calcium ratios in flower(imho).

Good luck

Azeotrope

 

[cesartime]

I had the exact same problem in the coco, until i realized that feeding anything more than 1/2 strength pbp would give me problems. Also watch that cal-mag plus its alot stronger than it says on the bottle, i am down to 1-2ml per gal of cal mag, i now feed about 10.5 ml/gal of pbp, 1-2ml/gal of cal mag, 3ml/gal of sweet, and 3ml/gal Liquid Karma. seems to work fine for now.

 

[Mr. Nevermind]

Hey Slips, hows it going? Did you get it figured out yet?






Nevermind

 

[Guest]

Slips.. all my moms are in coco.

I go against every norm on here and don't water daily. This is strictly veg/mom routine. Sometimes they go completely dry, sometimes not, I'm lazy about it and never had a problem. This is in 6" to 8" pots as well as 32oz cups of coco for rooting. I've never changed the feed. 1tsp FNG, LK, Calmag/gal always.

It's been months and months and months too, I never flushed... so despite everyones warnings and tips I know it can be done other ways as well.


I think momma should be fine!

I pretty much do it the same way, except I will give them a day or two of just regular water for shits and giggles, little to no runoff either

However, this only seems to work well with light feeders. Heavy feeders seem to like the "water everyday, with a decent amount of run off" approach. More on that later...

 

[Guest]

They are still stunted but are at least growing now that they have been on 1/2 dose cn17 grow. I'm not sure i'm going to try to bloom again in coco.