cloning...I give up.

[PermaBuzz]

" .... remedied it by giving plants a good feeding before taking cuts. Feed your plants before cutting and the cuts will survive long enough to grow roots."

Sounds like a good idea but stay away from N fertilizer.
Plants that are light on N (ie: paler leaves vs. dark leaves)
will root faster. Give a shot of PK fertilizer only or very light on N.

 

[Frozenguy]

Its not your method, but your parameters (water, or ambient temp).

Get a water report from your district. Its more often then not free, and you can probably find it online on their site (My district offers this, many do).

Find out if your water is softened at the source, or at your house. This will exchange calcium and magnesium ions for sodium ions which are not good for your cannabis plants.

Also, your temps might be a little low as you said. A heating mat may not do it if the ambient temps are too high. You have to enclose your clone area off to keep the heat in, even in the air around your plants (most importantly the root zone).

With that said, if you can clone in rockwool, you can clone in jiffy you can clone anywhere. Just have to respect the individula needs of each medium..


This is how I clone with 100% results using ONLY WATER AND ROCKWOOL.

I SOAK the rockwool to the point where if I added anymore water, it would drip if I picked it up. I soak them for 24 hours in pH 5.5 water. (to dissolve the excess glues).

Then I take a cutting, make a 45 deg cut on the bottom and stick it in the rockwool. Dome for four days and then off. Results in 8-16 days. If you keep the dome on longer, it may take a bit longer for the clones to root (around 16 days) but you will probably only have to water them once (with pH 5.5 water).

People think you can over water rockwool when rooting a cutting but you cannot, its a common misconception. Maybe when growing hydro you can, but not when rooting a cutting. Well, I dont mean continuously watering the cube, but if you saturate it and let it be, it wont be over watered. Let it dry out a bit (doesn't really matter how much, just let it loose mass) then saturate it again.

 

[stoney917]

good luck bro. thers more then 1 way to skin a cat. everyone has to find what works for you. lots of good advice above. i pretty much tried everything and am 100% anti-dome but thats just me my boy uses a dome and is very successful. just a thought try many methods at the same time . put a tray next to the bubbler next to a dome next to some beer cups some with cocoa some soil. eventually you will get it. if they die it must be ur enviorment. i also get great results using and aerogarden. ive recieved cuts that look like they have no chance in hell and to my surprise 5 days later roots and new growth. what strain r u clonin some take much longer than others. patience is the num2 rule of growin.

 

[Frozenguy]

Just water/lemon juice:




This is done with water at a pH of 8.6 (straight out of the tap):



Cannabis only needs water to root. I have found diminished results when I start adding things to the water except for two things:
1.) powdered kelp (I dont use this often, because its not needed)
2.) lemon juice to bring the water down to 5.5 pH

 

[stoney917]

i also forgot i get roots faster since iv been addin b52 to the rez. and soak. any bvitamin will work thrive alive superthrive etc etc etc

 

[Nicoli]

Well there's obviously something about your process or your environment that's affecting your success rates.

The simplest method of cloning I have EVER found to DATE is straight pro-mix hp in a beer cup, I take a cutting, moisten the soil, put it in, keep moist for 9-10 days, bam, roots. Then they take off like crazy. No domes, no heatmats, no bullshit. They stay perfectly healthy every time 100% success rate. I've also done peat pucks and bubble cloners, both worked great but just an extra hassle when compared to putting them straight into pro-mix.

I don't understand how you can have so many failures with cloning. I am not trying to be a jerk but you're doing something wrong if you're failing this many times at a very basic procedure. Every method posted in here works fine, so I guess I don't have much more advice to offer you other than figure out what you're doing wrong. Try simplifying it, straight into a soilless mix, or straight into a cup of RO water.

 

[FreezerBoy]

you want you medium moist, not wet.

Depends on the method. My method requires 100% saturation at all times as it's the water that delivers the O2.

To the OP... DON"T GIVE UP! Took me months to get my first root and several more to get to 100% success. Just keep mixing and matching methods till success comes your way.

I will say a common error is too much plant material. Plant material requires transpiration which requires roots which... D'oh, we don't have any roots! Keeping cuts short with well trimmed leaves allows the cut to spend it's time making roots rather than life support.

Try here to see what others have tried: CLONERS- a collection of various methods

 

[emerald city]

Well there's obviously something about your process or your environment that's affecting your success rates.

The simplest method of cloning I have EVER found to DATE is straight pro-mix hp in a beer cup, I take a cutting, moisten the soil, put it in, keep moist for 9-10 days, bam, roots. Then they take off like crazy. No domes, no heatmats, no bullshit. They stay perfectly healthy every time 100% success rate. I've also done peat pucks and bubble cloners, both worked great but just an extra hassle when compared to putting them straight into pro-mix.

I don't understand how you can have so many failures with cloning. I am not trying to be a jerk but you're doing something wrong if you're failing this many times at a very basic procedure. Every method posted in here works fine, so I guess I don't have much more advice to offer you other than figure out what you're doing wrong. Try simplifying it, straight into a soilless mix, or straight into a cup of RO water.

I gotta vote for the ease of this approach[promix-hp]....The only variation of technique ive had to do is add a dome[clear beer cup with drilled holes] in cases of low humidity.Promix has a starter charge that just gets you to the 2 week point where most cutting should have shown roots....Keep cloning youll get it,its the key to a perpetual harvest....Took me 5 years to master when i was young.Now im old and could probly do it blindfolded..Practice make perminent. E.C/out

 

[RugerBaby]

This is what I use..

http://www.altgarden.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=526


Just use the dip n grow it comes with and set them in. I usually get roots in 10-14 days

 

[Scrogerman]

By Far the best & most easiest way to go. Its a Plug in & forget system. Ive had this thread tagged since i joined IC. Its a cracker & works like a charm everytime.
Just remember keep ya stem's in solution around 1/2" if ya want, but more importantly temps of 80-84f will help root quicker, the cooler the res the longer it'll take to root. No Domes, No Misting(you can if you want but its not nessesary). It soo bloody easy i honestly dont know why everyone aint doin it! Once rooted take out the Aquarium heater you bought & apply a little H2o2 for a few days, & wheyhayyyyy, roots galore, plug-in & forget virtually.
here's the link & G'Luck!: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=26473

 

[macdiesel]

Well, I'm blown away by the response to this thread! You guys are dope. I really appreciate the feedback...there's too much to respond to.......but

I've come up with a new system.
I figured the only way I could screw up 100+ clones was either my water or temps....(I figure if you guys can get roots by simply putting a cut in a cup of water, the only thing I need is good water and temps) So, I've switched over to using distilled water that I've bought from the store, and I soaked new grodan rockwool cubes in it for 24 hours.

I've also designed a little grow environment for them. Basically a cardboard box with a heater in it. Clones are in the tray with a heat mat and dome.
Box is at about 80 degrees on a thermostat. Mat on thermostat at 84 degrees. I decided not to use clonex or any other growth hormone.
Light in the box comes from a little 10 dollar florescent bulb I bought at HD. Light schedule will be about 18/6.

The only problem I may have is the mother plants on these cuttings are 5 weeks into flower....

I've read these take longer to root...but at this point, it is all I have to work with. Wish me luck!
Btw, what is the best average temp for clones to root?
Here's a pic of the box.

 

[reckon]

I sacrifice a live virgin before every run... works like a charm! ;-)

I thought I was the only one that did that!


but now, I also sacrifice a goat and 2 chickens to make sure I have the voodoo, and underworld covered as well.


cloning is the TOUGHEST trick in all of cannabis growing, and the trouble is, what works for one guy, will kill every cut for another, so it's ALL about trial and error till you find the method that works for you.

after doing this for nearly 30 years, I can now clone using any method, but I prefer using rapid rooters, or just straight rinsed coco, and I will tell you, the indicas ALL are much easier to clone than a straight sativa, with my current Bogglegum being the easiest strain I have ever cloned, I bet you could toss a cutting onto a wet towel, and have roots in a week!
for "help", I like clonex, both the gel and solution, and I think the heat mat is a MUST with ambient temps below 70 degrees, and lastly, dome as little as possible (or not at all if the strain will tolerate it)

so don't give up, just keep trying different stuff until it works

 

[cannaboy]

HAS IT WORKED!

 

[BPJR]

Have a look at my easy cloning tutorial. It may help.

Keep trying. You will get it!

 

[motaloca]

:


cloning is the TOUGHEST trick in all of cannabis growing, and the trouble is, what works for one guy, will kill every cut for another, so it's ALL about trial and error till you find the method that works for you.



so don't give up, just keep trying different stuff until it works

This right here.^^^^^^^^
I was at the same stage, clones after clones died. I followed the normal route, cut mist put under dome. then without dome, same result, then no misting and so on.I gave up and put some clones in to a glass of water as decoration.
well I got roots, but it took too long but they never wilted and there was no rot.
then I made a bubbler cloner, roots in 7 to 10 days now, over 90% success rate.
Also put a small fan in to your box.
you'll find YOUR method and soon you'll have more clones then you can grow.

 

[robbiedublu]

Have you tried coco? Works great, check this thread:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=126411

I 2nd this. This is the method I use with about 95% success rate.

 

[¿kama3]

yeah, fcken shame, i lost many good cuts cause i didnt clone them with that touch you know im sayin... they need some care and common sense and you dont need no superthrivers, root complexes, nothing. i use to clone with 100% success with plain tap water and turf medium, i can say black dirt sucks for cloning for sure cause its always whether too moist or too dry i dont know

 

[anewguy]

Just keep trying, you will get it.

 

[MonoAoV]

i cloned for the first time recently in a plastic bottle with cling wrap to keep humidity up. all under a 100watt incandescent. not optimal but doable. just use cloning powder and peat pucks or soil-less mix, let it breathe everyday, keep it warm and pH test your water.

i like the glass of water idea but sometimes cuttings can be too small to stand up like that.

 

[rubbanutz420]

I think people run into problems cloning when they try to over-think the room..... Ive lost a couple prized cuts because I was trying so hard to get roots.....Its very easy and does not require much hands on work, set it and forget it....

I use rapid rooters and they work everytime, pretty much 100%....With cloning gel, and a humidity dome, set them under a flluorescent light and open the dome once a day for 5 minutes and your good, they will have roots within 10 days easy, most will by 7.....Less is more really fits when cloning.....

Ive also stuck left over cuts in a cup of water under some fluoros and they usually get roots too, but IMOP, cloning that way is harder to plant in soil, its like they get stressed out when planting, probably better for hydro, but will work either way...

Easiest way Ive found is Rapid Rooters, cloning gel and a humidity dome, under fluoros for a week or so, you WILL get roots, and should not lose any cuts....

Good luck man.