Research Gregor Mendel if you want to understand it correctly.
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Cinderella 99 The Come Back
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Crazy Chester
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Not having read anything about Gregor Mendel, I just scratched his surface tonight - the brilliant Austrian-Czech scientist who, among other accomplishments across other fields of science, had developed the rules of heredity in biology and coined the terms dominant and recessive in the mid-19th century, laying the foundation for the biological mathematics of the field that would later be known as genetics.
Crazy Chester
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I read someone say that MAC 1 is "immune" to HPLVD infection and he speculated it was because MAC 1 is a naturally born triploid.
"HpLVd’s impact on cannabis flower can be as much as 30% to 50% in reduced cannabinoid content, notably THC, Punja said. A cultivar that normally produces 25% THC when healthy could test as low as 15% to 18% THC, he said. Terpenes can be down by about 10%, but not all terpene compounds are affected. And while more research is needed, Punja said there are genotypic differences in the extent to which cannabinoid compounds are affected.
“I know [a cultivar] like Mac 1 is what we consider highly, highly sensitive,” he said. “And yet there might be another strain growing right next to it, let’s say a Kush variety, and it’s fine—or at least it’s not showing any symptoms. Now we have tested it, and we’ve found hop latent to be present, but it almost looks like the plant is sort of no big deal.”"
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“I know [a cultivar] like Mac 1 is what we consider highly, highly sensitive,” he said. “And yet there might be another strain growing right next to it, let’s say a Kush variety, and it’s fine—or at least it’s not showing any symptoms. Now we have tested it, and we’ve found hop latent to be present, but it almost looks like the plant is sort of no big deal.”"
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Awesome post! This take me back to 2004 when I first started growing the c99 and the Genius from Brother’s Grimm.UPDATED June 2022
PEAK SEEDS BC BEST CINDY(out of business)
Credit where credit is due.
These recent pics/plants were from seeds acquired from MJ over at Peak Seeds BC. I expect that he's keep the same parents going. He had some people try out different combinations of moms and males, which is the way to do it. Not quick and somewhat time consuming. I ran one of these a couple years ago, but only one seed. It was better than the Joey I had in with it. Recently I was searching through another one of the forums at another site and found some truly amazing pics that instantly re ignited my interest in looking through more of these. I ran one. Just one and found that "Metal" pheno. The "Punch" was found in the same pack and another 2 were grapefruit but fat and potent none the less. All very encrusted and very potent sativa smoke on plants that finish mid 50's. MJ seems to have improved stem strength a bit too. Hats off to them for this.
History on this like is that it started out with the original release from Brothers Grimm>Joey Weed 1st release> 1 pack from I believe Frost Bros> Given to MJ at Peak to preserve.
Hands down the BOTB, Best of the Best, Cindy I've ran out of most of the remakes and this one is definately a cut above the other offerings. They are different from Joey Weed's current release but I feel fairly strongly that may be due to selection. I ran out one pack from Peak and have a couple extra to hang onto.
Truth be told this stuff is so fire it makes me so jittery I keep saying I need to stop smokin it.
Its the real deal thats for certain. Any of the buds want to check some of mine its cool but otherwise give Peak a try and I bet we may find some ever more killer Cinderella in those beans. I think this about brings our project to somewhat of a close or maybe a transition into what everyone else might find in this offering. Hopefully this info will help others with anything from preservation to what things happen when lines go from P1>F2>F3 and onwards.
In closing, the story of Cinderella is a fine example of why it is of the utmost importance for a varieties survival that it be open pollenated. While 1:1 matings can provide certain outliers and be worked into franken-plants they are completely incapable of maintaining the species of cannabis as it was in its most primal stage.
Segregated open pollination is key to maintaining the varietals of the old world.
Peak Seeds BC Cinderella 99 mom - Metal
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The Legend of Cinderella is that of a 50 day heavy leaning sativa plant. These plants grew decent buds but lacked strength in the stem structure. The smoke itself was revered by many as a hypnotic and some plants may have the potency to cause some smokers to freak out and have extreme paranoia and anxiety. Smells and tastes were something very rare, fruit as well as baby poo and spice. The fruity characteristics were lost in the majority of lines I have tried over the past decade, longer actually.
This thread started as a search for my long Lost Holy Grail known as Cinderella 99. Over the past decade I have continued to keep searching. With most results leaving me with a great deal to be desired. Lots of times I wanted to just give up and look to new strains that it seems everyone is interested in and give up on what once was. Recent findings have given rise to a new feeling of hope. There is still a great deal to be done. The road we travel is long and rough but its not about the final destination its about what we experience and learn along the way that makes us who we are.
It feels surreal to finally have run into species with such similarities to the original lines. The euphoric smoke is most pleasant and should be held among the best varieties of time. The #1 is a very Euphoric experience, long lasting, floating, flying, mind numbing ride lacking the paranoia and raciness of my other keeper. #4 is a completely different creature, the fear comes out quite often, speedy, racy and definitely paranoia inducing floral mango esque sweet yet deadly experience not created for the novice smoker. I prefer the #1 as it is a multi dimensional experience without the hellish extremes of the other line. These take a few more days than the originals but not more than a week IMHO, in a dialed environment they could finish very close to 50 days. I normally take them to 58.
Important Notes:
I have run:
Original C99 2002
F2's
Gno3
Gno3 f2's
f3's
Dutchgrown f2
FMS C99
Mosca F1
Mosca Bx1
Joey Weed C99
Nuggetshiners Foundry C99
FDM C99 F3
Brothers Grimm 2018
The Real Seed Co C99
PEAK SEEDS BC CINDY 99 (BEST AND HIGHLY RECOMMENDED FOR COLLECTORS AND PRESERVATIONISTS)
An important note for those that are new to C99 and what this thread is really all about:
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Originally Posted by chiefingchong View Post
Joey Weed description states - "You will get 99.9% of what you get from the original."
is this tested to be untrue?
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I believe Mr. Soul used to make that comment that she was true breeding and that JW probably included that in his own description as well.
BUT, if that were true we would all have plenty of super DANK c99 everywhere we looked would we not?
It comes down to the dominant and recessive alleles within each singular female and male plant which are bred to one another in 1:1 matings.
Conclusion
With regard to the most sought after characteristics of the Original Cinderella P.97 C99 plants, Grapefruit appears to be much more dominant within the line, than the more sweet and Tropical expressions. It may have been a case of too small a population left behind to breed with or it may be a case of seed makers chucking without testing. Facts are that most HS seed stock was depleted within months of the disappearance of Brothers Grimm Seeds. Additionally, most growers choose to cull all male plants, even then I find C99 to produce a higher ratio of females. Odds are that not enough males were kept to find a proper mating. Then comes standard breeding principles regarding dominant and recessive combinations.
I believe all 3 of these issues have played a role in the current state which we find the line in today.
Nevil believed strongly in 1:1 matings which takes ample time and loads of testing of progeny, while maintaining all males and females in clone form. BG originally took another route with the use of cubing the line. It took them 2.5 years to complete. Some things I have read from Gregor Mendel since that time lead me to believe that this cubing process may have been the cause of a degradation within the line to where we are now. This time BG tried to one off a line with 1 male and no testing and was destined for failure, either due to loss of Princess or due to no testing of the 1:1 mating. Most "breeders" of today are not breeding. But that's dependent on the individual and I am not calling anyone out its just my opinion. I have been guilty of that too in fact.
Good Vibrations
LT
Crazy Chester
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Ok - that explains it. Just because a clone like MAC 1 grows like she doesn't have HPLVD doesn't mean she doesn't have HPLVD.
Yeah, some cuts are tolerant..but in this instance he is saying the Mac1 isn't tolerant. The kush type showing minimal symptoms.
Thanks!
Been busy with a spring harvest and taking some much needed R'n'R. I have up potted 2 very nice examples of my F6 Cindy and hoping they will get revegging soon. Which reminds me. I probably need to head to trim jail and trim the buds I took off the most recent top.
I also have the C99#12 about 5.5w. Not alot of smell so far and it looks like my FDM#1 and similar to the TRSC stock I tested but theres still time left so lets save any conclusions for a few smoke reports and some jar time. I have another vegged big too. Not sure I will use the males at this point, but I have a bunch of f5 pollen and f6 from a male that absolutely reeked of ripe pineapple rind.
Janborrego
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Never had c99 was trying to get some. I even bought a bunch of c99 mixes from Brothers Grimm . I traded or gifted every last seed. I also tried to germ some c99 X Northern lights. They were too old nothing happened I let them soak for days. Nothing ever happened. I guess they were too old.
Secret Princess
(Secret x LT C99)
This one smells of delicious grape cream wedding cake and the c99 has improved the structure. This is 3 testers in a 1 gal SOG. The fat one is going very purple. I was hoping for a male to bx to the secret. If at first you don't suceed...
(Secret x LT C99)
This one smells of delicious grape cream wedding cake and the c99 has improved the structure. This is 3 testers in a 1 gal SOG. The fat one is going very purple. I was hoping for a male to bx to the secret. If at first you don't suceed...
CharlesU Farley
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Don't think Mendel had anything to do with C99 but Vic High teaching Mr Soul how to create it and stabilize it is good enough for me.
Gregor Mendel is the father of Genetics. He did a pea study published around 1880 I believe in which he created his first theory on developing true breeding plants through the use of using an outcrossing and back breeding it to the original stock.
My camera is shot. Suggestions for easy photos? Looks like the up pot may have done the trick. Elongation between budlets has begun.
Oh, hit the Albany and mind melting, one of those little purported OBG C99 bastards dropped some pollen unbeknownst to me. Little bastard! Hope it doesnt affect the final weeks of the testers. Looks like it happend maybe a week too late for seeds. Might just take them a week longer. Hope to get back into the aerocloner reveg anyways for the one or two testers I like. Got a SuperPine Sour OG I am digigng the terp on.
Mendel I believe also created the dominant recessive allele charts, Xx Yy etc. I think the hypothesis from the first theory was related to creating dominance through the backcross to maintain the line as "True" ie stabilized.
Where cannabis breeding fails is that the male's dominance is only able to be witnessed in its progeny and the successive generations. My theory has been that the males used to reproduce the recent Cinderella and even other older varieties like Sensi Seed have not been properly tested or that limited males were used which has bottle necked many a strain and may have resulted in the degradation of many lines.
Sam said something like 10,000 seeds minimum are needed to properly preserve a landrace. How is one to preserve a line with reversals and fems when the male side of the line is as equally as important and they are diluting the male population on a continued basis with all new fem hybrids?
Singular 1:1 matings do not support preservation of ancestral male and also female line diversity.
Where cannabis breeding fails is that the male's dominance is only able to be witnessed in its progeny and the successive generations. My theory has been that the males used to reproduce the recent Cinderella and even other older varieties like Sensi Seed have not been properly tested or that limited males were used which has bottle necked many a strain and may have resulted in the degradation of many lines.
Sam said something like 10,000 seeds minimum are needed to properly preserve a landrace. How is one to preserve a line with reversals and fems when the male side of the line is as equally as important and they are diluting the male population on a continued basis with all new fem hybrids?
Singular 1:1 matings do not support preservation of ancestral male and also female line diversity.
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I reveg almost everything this way, I take a small bud and put it in the aero cloner under 24 hour light once it has good roots I transplant into a pot under 24 hours. I have better luck this way versus leaving buds on the plant and cutting back the rootball.
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