Chelates for trace minerals?

[Pangea]

Just seemed so odd for you to make that whole post about raw milk and how its the NPK doesnt matter, as it feeds the microbes etc etc, when thats all Ive been trying to say about how I use alfalfa.

NPK is not the same as PAN or the same as how much nitrogen is potentially in any amendment or soil.

You keep calling composting decomposing like its ruining my organic material, like I said before, composting is the best mineralization process known in agriculture, if we put the science, research and use between composting hays like alfalfa and using raw milk in agriculture it would be no contest. The heat is made from the activity of microbes like actinomycetes. The compounds in the organic materials are feeding the microbiome, all those proteins and aminos are being consumed and mineralized and complexed in a way not possible by any other methods. I could use raw milk powder, soy meal, or any number of mixtures of organic amendments in a balanced compost, the end results is a mineralized, complexed structure loaded with a BCSE in the ideal ranges, and a healthy microbiome capable of releasing N as requested by the plant.

To say that the benefits of composting are anecdotal is basically insane if your into gardening. The black text in your sig seems relevant, google compost, google humus, humus nitrogen binding, humus crumb.

When organic matter, clay, and rock dusts are mixed together in the compost windrow, the complex biotransformation and repolymerization processes that occur during composting provide an opportunity for organo-mineral chelated complexes to form.

 

[EclipseFour20]

I respect your opinion...I just disagree with what you think are facts.

BTW, a fact is something that has actually happened or that is empirically true and can be supported by evidence (like science). An opinion is a belief; it is normally subjective, meaning that it can vary based on a person's perspective, emotions, or individual understanding of something (these are personal and deserve respect).

For the record, I never said Plant Available Nitrogen (PAN) is the same as NPK--I think you are a wee bit confused. I say "mineralization", you say "decomposition"....it's cool.

 

[Pangea]

Surely your missing where I am saying that composting is mineralizing.

Google: Mineralization from Compost

Im also saying mineralization.

Just to be clear, you think that creating a pile of materials with a balanced C:N and other elements and letting it heat to 150F is decomposition with out mineralization?

What are you interpreting me stating as a fact over opinion?

 

[milkyjoe]

The only thing I would argue is that if the minerals going into the compost are not balanced I don't see how the compost can end up balanced. But if it is...imo...then I want it. But to me balance before compost

 

[Granger2]

If it were me, I'd want to use Pangea's compost and raw milk on my crops. Best of both. No argument. Happy plants. Good luck. -granger

 

[milkyjoe]

If you are buying alfalfa by the ton what do you reckon the cost to use raw milk would be

 

[Pangea]

To use it like eclipses posted method would be cheap, they only use like a gallon or two per acre. I use whey from time to time. Compost tea, sprout tea, raw milk, all seem like pretty good techniques to use.

Raw milk is a dicey subject in my province, no public sources, and I dont know any dairy farmers.

 

[sticky367]

The more I learn on here the less I know...ahah You know you've found yourself a good thread when you read through it and have 10 new things to learn about.