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Ceramic Metal Halide (CMH)

dbkick

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I've noticed there are a lot of copy cats of the 315w Philips bulb, a local store is advertising Solistek 315w and 630w. Solistek claims their 315w has the highest UV output, even though it's open rated and has the same two layers of glass, any thoughts?
I believe this has something to do with it. I do run one solis tek 315 lamp but don't have a meter to read uv so I guess I take their word for it since they seem to know lighting pretty well and do have the gear to check things like that. From solis. ( I know they mention nothing of uv in this but a google search of low iron glass and uv transmission should prove helpful.)


What is Low-Iron glass and why is it important?

Look at "regular" glass and you'll notice a slight green tint (especially when viewing the edges) that becomes more noticeable when the glass is thicker. Often this is not an issue, but in many applications – like indoor gardening & horticulture, where light is required to pass through glass – clarity becomes more important. And that’s where low iron glass is clearly better.

Low iron glass is specially made for exceptional clarity, and will not dull or distort the true colors in the color spectrum. Whether it’s referred to as “extra clear,” “water white” or “low iron,” the glass is made to be crystal clear and virtually tint-free.

What makes low iron glass so pure and sparkling? One of the main ingredients in all glass is silica sand, which has naturally occurring iron oxides. These oxides are what cause the greenish tint in glass. But low iron glass is made from a high grade of silica sand that is almost completely free of iron oxides. By reducing the iron content you reduce the greenish tint and increase light transmission, brightness and clarity. In fact, low iron glass can have as little as 10% of the iron content of regular glass, allowing it to transmit 91% of light, compared to 83% for regular glass.
 

Phaeton

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I believe this has something to do with it. I do run one solis tek 315 lamp but don't have a meter to read uv so I guess I take their word for it since they seem to know lighting pretty well and do have the gear to check things like that.

I bought the 600 watt SolisTek 10,000 K finishing bulb just for the UVB promised. I do have the meters.
I admit surprise as this is the third bulb I have purchased that promised UVB. SolisTek is the only one so far that has UVB in measurable amounts.
9 uw (microwatts) at 24" in a polished metal reflector.
The sativa plants still need supplements but the indica buds like the low level UVB just fine.

The best UVB reading gotten from GE or Philips CMH flickered between 0 and 1 with the meter touching the bulb's glass.
 

dbkick

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I bought the 600 watt SolisTek 10,000 K finishing bulb just for the UVB promised. I do have the meters.
I admit surprise as this is the third bulb I have purchased that promised UVB. SolisTek is the only one so far that has UVB in measurable amounts.
9 uw (microwatts) at 24" in a polished metal reflector.
The sativa plants still need supplements but the indica buds like the low level UVB just fine.

The best UVB reading gotten from GE or Philips CMH flickered between 0 and 1 with the meter touching the bulb's glass.
That the solis DE finisher? I've got one I've yet to use because I'm waiting for cooler temperatures to run anything but 315s.
 

bwoyrude

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The best UVB reading gotten from GE or Philips CMH flickered between 0 and 1 with the meter touching the bulb's glass.
Good to know , thanks,
Some buds pics from 400w GE CMH (3050 T.K.)
Ace gear ofc , (malawi, zamaldelica )
 

m8ch1n3

New member
probably, yes on the 8 inch
doubt it would fit in a 6 inch tube

according to specs the bulb is 7" wide. Never had experience with cool tubes. Are there 8" cool tubes that have an interior diameter wider than 7" Seems like almost no room for air to pass around the bulb...
 

dbkick

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Question:

Will the 860W CMH Bulb fit inside an 8" cool tube???

Thanks in advance!!!
There are two version of that lamp, the difference being one has a outer envelope larger than the other, the bt57 is comically large and I wouldn't count on it fitting in a cool tube, I believe the bt57 has been discontinued. The bt37 is smaller and would probably fit in a cool tube but only if the tube is positioned vertically since the allstart 860 no matter what outer envelope is a vertical position only lamp.
 

Jhhnn

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How's the 330 allstart stack up against the 315?

I've used both. The 330 is a good lamp, needs a MH mag ballast, but the 315 def puts out more visible light.

Used 400w MH fixtures can often be had for cheap & they're easy to sort out & bring up to spec so long as the transformer is good. With 330 lamps & the right circumstances the price would be hard to beat.
 

dbkick

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How's the 330 allstart stack up against the 315?
I'd think that the allstart 330 would run on most any ballast made for the philips 315 and even if it were a bit under powered, you could actually boost it a bit with a sunplix 315 cmh ballast since they boost to 350. The important thing is that the ballast be either low frequency square wave or Ultra high frequency sine wave, anything in between will shorten the life of your lamp possibly.
Core and coil are going to lose 30 percent performance over running them on one of the ballasts I mentioned above. I'm not really sure how well the allstart (860 in my case) plays with ultra high frequency sine but I plan on finding out soon by firing it with a solis matrix se/de/uhf sine. Solis is also about to release an uhf sine ballast/fixture for the 315 , they'll probably recommend/support only solis lamps but I have a solis running on lfsw from galaxy and all seems fine.
 

dbkick

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I feel like I'm fucking repeating myself over and over :/
Am I repeating myself fucking over and over? If I am kick me in the ass a bit and tell me I'm repeating myself over and fucking over!
 

Avenger

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Bulb size or diameter (maximum) is expressed in an eighth of an inch (1/8") for one unit. For instance, a BT56 bulb is 56 eighths of an inch in diameter, or 7 inches in diameter. See ANSI C79.1 for complete details on bulb shapes.


37/8=4.625 inches in diameter
 

m8ch1n3

New member
Bulb size or diameter (maximum) is expressed in an eighth of an inch (1/8") for one unit. For instance, a BT56 bulb is 56 eighths of an inch in diameter, or 7 inches in diameter. See ANSI C79.1 for complete details on bulb shapes.


37/8=4.625 inches in diameter

Thank you!
 

Big_Bear

New member
Hey guys,

I'm relatively new to the cmh world. I have a couple of large rooms with 1000w hoods...but I've been super interested in gradually switching the operation over to cmh bulbs after seeing my buddies LEC room. He runs all in one fixtures though he bought at a grow store for an f ton of money, like 450 bucks a unit or something iirc.

For me to upgrade my whole operation to those fixtures would cost me over 15g so needless to say it's completely out of the question for me to buy the expensive pre made fixtures.

So I picked up a 400w magnetic HPS ballast, an old hood, and the 400w GE cmh bulb.

My questions to the gurus out there are:

1. Is the 400w cmh ge bulb comparable to the 315w Phillips bulbs with the weird ends?

2. Is the spectrum the same? I can't find anything on my bulb box about that.

3. Would two 400w cmh fixtures be comparable to a single 1000w HPS?

4. Is additional spectrum required with the 400w GE?

5. Most importantly, is there any way to get a rig as good as the 315 Phillips for not a bend me over and make me your slut price?


Thank you guys for your time...and space
 

brown_thumb

Active member
I just realized something. One of my neighbors is a drywall contractor and often gets things for free when companies remodel. About two years ago he showed me about a dozen huge warehouse lights he wanted to sell for cheap. Now that I think about it, they're probably 600-1000 watt CMH lamps. I hope he still has some of them!!

EDIT: I called him and he has two fixtures left. Unfortunately, one is minus the bulb but he only wants $20 each for them. I hope they both function and are the right type. Wish me luck!! :D
 
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