This was all I was trying to say. The 900 is a better spectrum than the HPS hands down. Plus they now have a electronic ballast for it. Ihave not seen it yet. Doesn't the hortilux blue have a full unspike like spectrum?
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This was all I was trying to say. The 900 is a better spectrum than the HPS hands down. Plus they now have a electronic ballast for it. Ihave not seen it yet. Doesn't the hortilux blue have a full unspike like spectrum?
Fonzarelli
Member
Yes, the electronic ballast part is nice.
No, the Hortilux Blue does not have an "unspike" like spectrum.
1000w Hortilux Blue SPD,
400w Hortilux Blue with 64w of 630nm/660nm RED LED ADDED,
GreenThumb14
Member
I still believe that DNA = GEL. I still won't pay their retarded prices. It's apparent they have to use trickery to sell their products.
Their website shows the 315W bulb but they market it as a 330W bulb... They say that the first year of warranty is covered through DNA and second year is covered through manufacture... So who is the manufacture?
If you need any further proof that they're the same company... GEL kits ship from (and when I returned my 140w kit) Meridian, ID. DNA's contact section shows Boise, ID on the map. Meridian and Boise are right next to each other, 11 miles to be exact.
Ya, so there are two completely independent and separate "high-tech" lighting companies 11 miles apart and in IDAHO? lol, ya ok. They're the same damn company, same people, same ballasts, etc. It's a fucking gimmick to get more market share but act like competing companies.
Their website shows the 315W bulb but they market it as a 330W bulb... They say that the first year of warranty is covered through DNA and second year is covered through manufacture... So who is the manufacture?
If you need any further proof that they're the same company... GEL kits ship from (and when I returned my 140w kit) Meridian, ID. DNA's contact section shows Boise, ID on the map. Meridian and Boise are right next to each other, 11 miles to be exact.
Ya, so there are two completely independent and separate "high-tech" lighting companies 11 miles apart and in IDAHO? lol, ya ok. They're the same damn company, same people, same ballasts, etc. It's a fucking gimmick to get more market share but act like competing companies.
I doubt it. GEL has a pretty wide product spectrum which goes substantially beyond our little corner of the lighting world. I do know that they were supposed to be working with some "local" growers with the CeramaTek line, so it's very possible those growers talked GEL into letting them distribute their product line under a different company name.
GreenThumb14
Member
Yea, but why would GEL let someone else move in on their market? Sure, DNA is paying for the product from GEL but GEL is making less than selling directly to customers. Makes no sense to me.
It's the same thing that GEL is doing with Cycloptics/Greenbeams. Most manufacturers of any scale aren't going to try and pursue every niche market that their product might fit - it's easier to let some people who know the market put together a package and sell it. They may make a little less margin, but they don't have to learn about the market, or employ and train people for it, etc. In Greenbeams case, they are primarily targeting the educational/research grow chamber retrofits and using their own reflector. In this case, you've got some growers with an entrepreneurial bent that see potential in putting together a package with a third-party reflector.
GreenThumb14
Member
DNA is the same thing as GEL, though. GEL knows that their Ceramatek line appeals to growers... They'd have no reason to sell to DNA strictly because of a niche market - that they are already involved in.
OK, so putting aside who really owns DNA, we can agree that more than likely it is GEL supplying DNA with the hardware. If you buy from DNA then you are essentially buying from GEL.
Are we to believe that a couple of stoners started DNA? Contacted Philips, got a custom bulb made, sourced out a pre-made ballast or commissioned a company to make a custom ballast - All while being right down the road from GEL? Unlikely in my opinion. I think that GEL and DNA have very close ties. Now you can say that GEL has several other lighting products in their line-up, true... Have you contacted them? Take a look at their contact page. Contacts from NY, Florida, Dubai (lol), etc... Yet their all the same # and go to the same place. In fact, no one ever answers the fucking phone at any of those numbers except the California one, which is how I was placed in touch with a "regional" rep, who happens to be in Idaho. In my opinion, GEL is a company trying to look a lot bigger than they really are. Good for them.
Are their ballasts any good? I don't know, haven't used one and I'm not trying to dispute the quality of their hardware, only that it seems to me that GEL = DNA. This is all my opinion but I think it's a conglomerate. There is nothing unusual or far-fetched about that theory.
All in all, I really don't give a shit about DNA's BS SPDs or GEL as a whole. I'm really in this thread because I'm on the CMH train and that's it. I think GELs prices are laughable. I've received several different price quotes from the rep at GEL. Explains why they don't list a price on their website, they charge whatever they feel like depending on which way the wind is blowing that day.
senor coconut
Active member
Not sure rives:
http://cycloptics.com/ceramatek_ballast
Here they are referring to the 315W, it's stated that dimming affects both lamp life and lumen maintenance, also in the table shown.. 50% dimming reduces lumens from 35121 to 13629 and CRI from 94% to 75%, that's some spectrum change...
If it's true at this point I prefer to continue with 150W Hps, maybe I'll switch to CMHs when I'll have a larger area to play with... at least 4 times bigger and use that 315W bulb at full power
Interesting the 0-10V interface, I've an Arduino chipboard to play with.. natively it has 5V output but it can be easily modded to get 10V.. maybe if I add some temperature and humidity sensors I can rely on it to control lamps and fans and get a semi-automated environment, that would be cool for sure
http://cycloptics.com/ceramatek_ballast
Here they are referring to the 315W, it's stated that dimming affects both lamp life and lumen maintenance, also in the table shown.. 50% dimming reduces lumens from 35121 to 13629 and CRI from 94% to 75%, that's some spectrum change...
If it's true at this point I prefer to continue with 150W Hps, maybe I'll switch to CMHs when I'll have a larger area to play with... at least 4 times bigger and use that 315W bulb at full power
Interesting the 0-10V interface, I've an Arduino chipboard to play with.. natively it has 5V output but it can be easily modded to get 10V.. maybe if I add some temperature and humidity sensors I can rely on it to control lamps and fans and get a semi-automated environment, that would be cool for sure
Illumination
Member
I agree...in their vids it is a handheld spectragraphing unit that does cross references to cri etc...It is a pricey $3k unit but far from the accuracy the manufacturers use...does seem to round off the graph
Illumination
Member
The 315 s and Agro is Philips realizing the horti market for cmh...methinks they realized it and thats why the pulling the retroes...to make more $ from us horti folk
Illumination
Member
also worth it to make the bulk sales profits margin can be closer and as you styasted all the other market specific costs the relalbeler must eat
Having it as the only light source for the entire cycle (apart from propagation) which lamp type would you choose fellas? "daylight" or "agro" ?
details in this pdf: http://www.lights-interaction.com/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=26%3Ad-papillon-315w&id=1%3Aproducten&lang=en
thanks
details in this pdf: http://www.lights-interaction.com/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&download=26%3Ad-papillon-315w&id=1%3Aproducten&lang=en
thanks
What do you guys think would yield the best in a dr90:
2x http://growblu.com/120x3w-apollo-led-grow-light
Or
1x http://greenbeamslighting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/GB-Reflector-with-Ballast.jpg
2x http://growblu.com/120x3w-apollo-led-grow-light
Or
1x http://greenbeamslighting.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/GB-Reflector-with-Ballast.jpg
tenthirty
Member
Not sure rives:
http://cycloptics.com/ceramatek_ballast
Here they are referring to the 315W, it's stated that dimming affects both lamp life and lumen maintenance, also in the table shown.. 50% dimming reduces lumens from 35121 to 13629 and CRI from 94% to 75%, that's some spectrum change...
If it's true at this point I prefer to continue with 150W Hps, maybe I'll switch to CMHs when I'll have a larger area to play with... at least 4 times bigger and use that 315W bulb at full power
Interesting the 0-10V interface, I've an Arduino chipboard to play with.. natively it has 5V output but it can be easily modded to get 10V.. maybe if I add some temperature and humidity sensors I can rely on it to control lamps and fans and get a semi-automated environment, that would be cool for sure
Here is what Cycloptics has to say.[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Not sure rives:
http://cycloptics.com/ceramatek_ballast
Here they are referring to the 315W, it's stated that dimming affects both lamp life and lumen maintenance, also in the table shown.. 50% dimming reduces lumens from 35121 to 13629 and CRI from 94% to 75%, that's some spectrum change...
If it's true at this point I prefer to continue with 150W Hps, maybe I'll switch to CMHs when I'll have a larger area to play with... at least 4 times bigger and use that 315W bulb at full power
Interesting the 0-10V interface, I've an Arduino chipboard to play with.. natively it has 5V output but it can be easily modded to get 10V.. maybe if I add some temperature and humidity sensors I can rely on it to control lamps and fans and get a semi-automated environment, that would be cool for sure[/FONT]
The data on the Cycloptics website referenced below is from Philips for the non-Agro 315W CMH. I used it because it was all that was available at the time. The GB website will be updated by end of week to reflect the attachment…new images of the PARgrow will be used as shown by examples.
Here is an independent measurement conducted by Conviron of the spectral power of the Elite Agro between 400-800 nm at 100%, 80%, 60%, and 40% of the PAR output of the lamp being driven by the CeramaTek ballast. This performance characteristic was independently measured by Conviron in Winnipeg, Canada using an Apogee Instruments PS-200 spectral radiometer with 1.5 nm resolution.
View attachment PARGrow Web Page Update 4.16.13.pdf
At this point, I'd recommend the Greenbeams equipment. The two plants that I showed pictures of earlier in the thread got weighed up a couple of days ago. I pulled 10.5 ozs from them of pretty good sized buds - the rest went for topical oil feedstock and/or hash. I've run this strain under PL-Ls, the Lumigrow ES-330, and my hybrid fixture, and have always averaged somewhere from 3.5 to 4 ozs per plant (with not nearly as much tossed out for other uses - I'm sick of trimming that shit). The plants were handled differently this time (numerous toppings, longer veg period, were radically rootbound after several months in beer cups and not very healthy prior to vegging), so it isn't a good direct comparison but I think it's indicative of the 315's potential. Also, this was with the 930 lamp, not the Agro.
Fonzarelli
Member
GEL is not the manufacturer of the "Ceramatek" ballasts, only a re-seller. They are manufactured in Germany. Once again Americans acting like they made something worthwhile these days. Lol
MEnSouRdeeZ
Member
spot on
Fonzarelli
Member
If this was the idea then I would think it would be safe to assume that Philips will be coming out with 600w and 1000w versions? I mean the typical indoor garden isn't going to grow much food from 315 watts. I wonder what their next move will be.
