Cellphones

[RaptorJesus]

ok. i worked for verizon wireless for a while, and some of this stuff sounds a little off. yes, they can get your information, calls, etc from your provider with a subpoena. but i'm 95% positive they can't turn on your camera/mic/etc remotely. after working with the equipment for as long as i have, i just don't believe it. maybe on some crazy top-of-the-line phone or something, but not on anything most people are carrying around. none of your calls are recorded. not by verizon anyway, and neither are text messages. i'm sure LEO can intercept this stuff on their own though. as far as tracking goes, you can turn your GPS locater on and off, but you're still going to have the E911 tracking, which only triangulates towers and gives them a general area.

basically, you gotta be moving some serious weight to worry about it. i just wanted to throw my $.02 in because a lot of this seems farfetched from my perspective, having worked with a provider for a while

 

[Kiefer Suthrlnd]

Raptor check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_listening_device

click on number 2 (mobile phones)


or read the article:

http://news.cnet.com/FBI-taps-cell-phone-mic-as-eavesdropping-tool/2100-1029_3-6140191.html

 

[LiLWaynE]

use prepaid

only buy prepaid minute cards from places without surveillance cameras if possible.

edit: oh and make sure you use CASH

 

[wishbone420]

send messenger birds

 

[Guest]

use payphones

 

[whodi]

lol messenger birds. hilarious.. those were the days...

 

[FreezerBoy]

Any cell phone signal can be intercepted, there is no expectation of privacy...Just like the garbage you leave at your curb...

Hey! get your hands off my garbage! Curbside garbage is protected. Garbage gots rights. They have to wait for Sanitation to empty the can into the dump truck. Then it's fair game.

 

[hoosierdaddy]

I have seen scanners in action that intercept cell phone calls. It could also get enough information for the phones to be identified.
You can listen for a few seconds to every call it snags, or lock in one one till its over.
Guy who had it does intercom sys, etc for large plants, but he tells me that cops have them and use them regularly.
Prolly won't hold up in court, but if you got honed in on while talking about an illegal activity, it would sure give leo a good place to start looking for you.
I'd say if nosy ass leo has this gadget, he probably listens in on a regular basis.
Land line or talk in code. Hell you have to talk in code at head shops in KY, say the words pot or dope and you are handed an explanation card and out the door.

 

[Kiefer Suthrlnd]

I know the article is about cell phones but watchout with inside the house portable phones...my buddy has a Bearcat scanner that can pickup even the highest frequency ones.... we just get high and listen to people fighting / drug deals / and any dumb shit we want to tune in on...

is anywhere safe

 

[green_tea]

Hey! get your hands off my garbage! Curbside garbage is protected. Garbage gots rights. They have to wait for Sanitation to empty the can into the dump truck. Then it's fair game.

It's not protected. [at least from what I have read]

anything that is outside your curtilage is considered public. (and thus fair gaem for cops)

also if your trash is stored within reach from a public road, walkway, etc it is also legal to get for the cops without a warrant.

IE say you put your trash outside your side/back door which has a walkway going to either your driveway or your sidewalk. if the garbage bins are like next to the walkway, they are fair game, just like if a cop walks on your walk way and sees you smoking weed, its also usable.

Now if the same cop were to be peering in all your windows not near a walkway or sidewalk or driveway or used a ladder to look through the 2nd story windows, that would be illegal unless with a warrant, since they are within your houses curtilage.

at least this is my understanding, though its for the US and could be outdated with regards to current cases

 

[SomeGuy]

I call shenanigans!

All cell phones DO NOT have GPS.
Unless your phone has purpose built gps capability, then its not in there.

Also if it does have an internal battery, which it doesn't need because they use flash memory anyway, its not big enough to power the cellular transmitter. So, removing the main battery renders it useless.

 

[jerrymcginnis]

you can find out if your phone has GPS or not by visiting the manufacturer's webpage

it takes a good amount of power to transmit voice signals over the air
use prepaid, toss often
don't use (real) names

keep it short and simple.. don't talk about money or quantities
don't be retarded

 

[chitownpears]

remember that they don't necessarily need a warrant to get a wire on your cell phone. they can do illegal wire taps and use the info to get other means for a warrant. BUT SERIOUSLY - do you think the cops give a shit about you enough to go through the time and effort to get a wire tap on your cell phone. they need to first figure out what your cell phone number is. and if you think some city cop can call nextel or cingular and ask "hey im a cop, what is joe smith's number because i need a tap" - think again! this country's justice system is relatively decent - just hope you can afford the lawyer to help!

use pay phones, no names, disposable phones (as mentioned in this thread). and as jerrymcginnis has just mentioned:

keep it short and simple.. don't talk about money or quantities
don't be retarded

 

[moonymonkey]

fuk a cell phone ,here i am shit...i knew somone,they were after,everwere he took that phone helicopters an cops,everwer evertime...get it...an that evertime he had it turned on moon/leo u are peterlips.com

 

[LiLWaynE]

fuk a cell phone ,here i am shit...i knew somone,they were after,everwere he took that phone helicopters an cops,everwer evertime...get it...an that evertime he had it turned on moon/leo u are peterlips.com

WTF ?

 

[Verite]

fuk a cell phone ,here i am shit...i knew somone,they were after,everwere he took that phone helicopters an cops,everwer evertime...get it...an that evertime he had it turned on moon/leo u are peterlips.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3C_wLCZ18M

 

[green_tea]

hahahah

 

[Joe Budden]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3C_wLCZ18M

HAHAHAHAHAHAH OHHHHH SHITTTTT

 

[ChronicChemist]

New Study secretly followed Americans cellphone usage.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/06/04/cell.tracking.ap/index.html

 

[LiLWaynE]

New Study secretly followed Americans cellphone usage.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/06/04/cell.tracking.ap/index.html

Good post ... I'll post this in this thread for many reasons... mostly historical

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Researchers secretly tracked the locations of 100,000 people outside the United States through their cell phone use and concluded that most people rarely stray more than a few miles from home.


The study found that nearly half of the people tracked kept to a circle little more than six miles wide.

The first-of-its-kind study by Northeastern University raises privacy and ethical questions for its monitoring methods, which would be illegal in the United States.

It also yielded somewhat surprising results that reveal how little people move around in their daily lives. Nearly three-quarters of those studied mainly stayed within a 20-mile-wide circle for half a year.

The scientists would not disclose where the study was done, only describing the location as an industrialized nation.

Researchers used cell phone towers to track individuals' locations whenever they made or received phone calls and text messages over six months.

In a second set of records, researchers took another 206 cell phones that had tracking devices in them and got records for their locations every two hours over a week's time period.

The study was based on cell phone records from a private company, whose name also was not disclosed.


Study co-author Cesar Hidalgo, a physics researcher at Northeastern, said he and his colleagues didn't know the individual phone numbers because they were disguised into "ugly" 26-digit-and-letter codes.

That type of nonconsensual tracking would be illegal in the United States, according to Rob Kenny, a spokesman for the Federal Communications Commission. Consensual tracking, however, is legal and even marketed as a special feature by some U.S. cell phone providers.

The study, published Thursday in the journal Nature, opens up the field of human-tracking for science and calls attention to what experts said is an emerging issue of locational privacy.

"This is a new step for science," said study co-author Albert-Lazlo Barabasi, director of Northeastern's Center for Complex Network Research. "For the first time we have a chance to really objectively follow certain aspects of human behavior."

Barabasi said he spent nearly half his time on the study worrying about privacy issues. Researchers didn't know which phone numbers were involved. They were not able to say precisely where people were, just which nearby cell phone tower was relaying the calls, which could be a matter of blocks or miles.

They started with 6 million phone numbers and chose the 100,000 at random to provide "an extra layer" of anonymity for the research subjects, he said.

Barabasi said he did not check with any ethics panel. Had he done so, he might have gotten an earful, suggested bioethicist Arthur Caplan at the University of Pennsylvania.

"There is plenty going on here that sets off ethical alarm bells about privacy and trustworthiness," Caplan said.

Studies done on normal behavior at public places is "fair game for researchers" as long as no one can figure out identities, Caplan said in an e-mail.

"So if I fight at a soccer match or walk through 30th Street train station in Philly, I can be studied," Caplan wrote. "But my cell phone is not public. My cell phone is personal. Tracking it and thus its owner is an active intrusion into personal privacy."

Paul Stephens, policy director at the Privacy Rights Clearinghouse in San Diego, said the nonconsensual part of the study raises the Big Brother issue.

"It certainly is a major concern for people who basically don't like to be tracked and shouldn't be tracked without their knowledge," Stephens said.

Study co-author Hidalgo said there is a difference between being a statistic -- such as how many people buy a certain brand of computer -- and a specific example. The people tracked in the study are more statistics than examples.

"In the wrong hands the data could be misused," Hidalgo said. "But in scientists' hands you're trying to look at broad patterns.... We're not trying to do evil things. We're trying to make the world a little better."

Knowing people's travel patterns can help design better transportation systems and give doctors guidance in fighting the spread of contagious diseases, he said.

The results also tell us something new about ourselves, including that we tend to go to the same places repeatedly, he said.

"Despite the fact that we think of ourselves as spontaneous and unpredictable ... we do have our patterns we move along and for the vast majority of people it's a short distance," Barabasi said.

The study found that nearly half of the people in the study pretty much keep to a circle little more than six miles wide and that 83 percent of the people tracked mostly stay within a 37-mile wide circle.

But then there are the people who are the travel equivalent of the super-rich, said Hidalgo, who travels more than 150 miles every weekend to visit his girlfriend. Nearly 3 percent of the population regularly go beyond a 200-mile wide circle. Less than 1 percent of people travel often out of a 621-mile circle.

But most people like to stay much closer to home. Hidalgo said he understands why: "There's a lot of people who don't like hectic lives. Travel is such a hassle