It becomes otherwise when practiced/imposed by government (and one might argue large corporations).
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Cancel Culture
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It becomes otherwise when practiced/imposed by government (and one might argue large corporations).
Switcher56
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Wow!Ha ha ha, out of dumb. blind curiosity I did a Google search: Is mike lindell Jewish?
....... looks like I'm not the only one to wonder abt that Cross!!!
www.answers.com/Q/Is_mike_lindell_Jewish
Switcher56
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One size doesn't fit all
Switcher56
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... any one have a red pill?
Switcher56
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Wallet being the operative word here
God gave us 2 eyes to see, 2 ears to hear but, only one wallet or mouth for which to speak. Which one is politically correct? 
I’m not quite following. It gets much more complicated when governments get involved.
Large corporations have many of the same rights as small corporations.
Possibly referring to Bed, Bath, and Beyond dropping MyPillow? That’s up to the shareholders, most of whom probably vote by proxy..it probably was a business decision. MyPillow always has a two for one sale going on. At least one major lawsuit for false claims. His current antics may have been the final straw. He lost close to 65% of his customer base. Even without a formal call for a boycott. Dominion is threatening to sue him. Time to slowly back away before he self destructs. Just a slick sales job anyway. Nothing proprietary at all.
Sure, all true, but voicing one's opinion through their wallet is one thing while I would consider using a well populated (captive audience) but neutral internet site as a platform to mount a campaign to ruin a business because the owners support another view IS a form of vindictive bullying.
As an example, let's play Devil's Advocate here.
Let's say that arid supports a political party that I disagree with and I decide that I'm not going to support his company, my right to boycott, no question.
Arid's political party wins the election and I get really steamed.
Arid's political success in championing his party continues to get under my skin.
Does that give me the right to mount a campaign on internet sites to call for a boycott and damage arid's business?
I guess you'd say no, and you would be right.
...... but I could take it one step further and justify/rationalize my campaign to make it OK.
After all, in addition to his political views, arid uses the dreaded ruderalis genes (or I could make it seem so!
) to create his strains, and as any Sativa Lover knows, this is BAD as the genes and male pollen pollute both the Sativa and Indica gene lines....... and if this keeps up it could lead to, blah, blah, blah, etc.
You get my drift?
Now, I would never do this because that's just not how I roll, but also I would consider it to be both unethical, immoral and a form of bullying, in addition to being vindictive which is an emotional reaction.
..... and by the way, I notice that arid's right to free speech has not been censored as no TOU has been violated or personal insult made, thereby proving that ICMag tries its best to remain unbiased and open to ALL sides!
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As long as it’s factual. I read reviews all the time.
What Arid failed to mention was the reasoning behind the boycott. It was taken for granted that it was because they were all evangelicals or perhaps because he has an aversion to the color orange.
In the case of Mike Lindell , he was spreading false information trying to subvert a legal vote. Trying to cancel my vote, leading to an attack on the Capital. We’re bullying him by not buying his products? He doesn’t deserve to be in business. Not in my opinion. Those who feel different will support him. That’s just business.
IC has the right to censor. You may not enforce that right, but it still exists.
What Arid failed to mention was the reasoning behind the boycott. It was taken for granted that it was because they were all evangelicals or perhaps because he has an aversion to the color orange.
In the case of Mike Lindell , he was spreading false information trying to subvert a legal vote. Trying to cancel my vote, leading to an attack on the Capital. We’re bullying him by not buying his products? He doesn’t deserve to be in business. Not in my opinion. Those who feel different will support him. That’s just business.
IC has the right to censor. You may not enforce that right, but it still exists.
https://onourmoon.com/cancel-culture-the-good-the-bad-its-impact-on-social-change/
Good blog.....instead of ancients, addressing current culture best benefits me.
Lisa Nakamura, professor at the University of Michigan studying the intersection of digital media and race, gender, and sexuality, defines cancel culture as “a cultural boycott…. It’s an agreement not to amplify, signal boost, give money to.” Essentially, when someone has said or done problematic things, either in the present or past, “the people” have the ability to stop supporting them and their work by effectively “canceling” them. Cancel culture has been incredibly effective at combating sexism, racism, or any other type of abuse or harmful wrongdoing to others. It’s held people accountable for their actions in ways that wasn’t possible in the past. It’s prevented shitty people from getting away with doing or saying shitty things.
Good blog.....instead of ancients, addressing current culture best benefits me.
Lisa Nakamura, professor at the University of Michigan studying the intersection of digital media and race, gender, and sexuality, defines cancel culture as “a cultural boycott…. It’s an agreement not to amplify, signal boost, give money to.” Essentially, when someone has said or done problematic things, either in the present or past, “the people” have the ability to stop supporting them and their work by effectively “canceling” them. Cancel culture has been incredibly effective at combating sexism, racism, or any other type of abuse or harmful wrongdoing to others. It’s held people accountable for their actions in ways that wasn’t possible in the past. It’s prevented shitty people from getting away with doing or saying shitty things.
White Beard
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The brown acid would be a smarter choice
Switcher56
Comfortably numb!
Ahhhh, the beauty of capitalism.
Yep, jagged little (red) pill....The red pill is described as the solution for knowing the real truth in life. Morpheus explains it as continuing into the "rabbit hole" or in other words, continuing to learn about the lies that were set in the world in order to break them and obtain freedom. Yup, I'll take TWO of those, please!
https://web.nmsu.edu/~gchavez7/page1.html
Oh, oh, oh
I, recommend getting your heart trampled on to anyone, yeah
I, recommend walking around naked in your living room, yeah
Swallow it down (what a jagged little pill)
It feels so good (swimming in your stomach)
Wait until the dust settles
You live you learn, you love you learn
You cry you learn, you lose you learn
You bleed you learn, you scream you learn
I, recommend biting off more than you can chew to anyone
I certainly do
I, recommend sticking your foot in your mouth at any time
Feel free
White Beard
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Can’t seem to find where the “campaign to ruin a business” came into it except here. You put a real odd spin on taking one’s business elsewhere...but I suppose a case could be made of AN instance of boycotting used as an unfair attempt to defame someone, their business their product...but the example you develop below is *exactly* that: a petty attack on another out of animosity.
Okay: A supports a political party CG doesn’t support; A’s party wins an election, CG sees this as A somehow “winning” and gets steamed, and decides to retaliate against *A* for some reason.
And all this has something to do with “cancel culture”.
Have I got all that right?
I say no, for sure, but your next step is criminal
Yep: personal attacks, lying to defame and hurt trade, probably a dozen laws beyond slander and libel broken in mounting a deliberate attack on someone, even for better reasons than spite.After all, in addition to his political views, arid uses the dreaded ruderalis genes (or I could make it seem so!
...... and if this keeps up it could lead to, blah, blah, blah, etc.
You get my drift?
Having gotten here, I agree: those would be bad things for some one to choose to do; as I say, things like that are illegal (yeah, I know, we’re all hardened criminals these days).
I guess the question I have is, do you really think THAT is the likely outcome of the current shifts in what people feel they can and can’t accept? I mean, that’s what’s going on here. It’s a cultural shift.
Do you really think such a thing will open the gates for scurrilous, baseless attacks at random through the communities?
ICMAG and the US a government are distinct entities (I hope), and so no action taken by this board can BE censorship - unless the board gives in to government pressure to silence someone (not likely - no jurisdiction)...... and by the way, I notice that arid's right to free speech has not been censored as no TOU has been violated or personal insult made, thereby proving that ICMag tries its best to remain unbiased and open to ALL sides!
As a private entity, whose membership has agreed to the terms of use, they cannot censor anything. Delete, hide, tie in bows...but not censor.
“CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW....”. The first amendment is NOTHING BUT things CONGRESS shall make no laws about. Not the STATES, not corporations, not subscription services, not professional organizations. Certainly not websites. It would surprise me if anyone went that far right, though 45 was keen on the idea of muzzling the press (“...NO LAW....”).
here ya go, surprised ya missed it, post #193:
....... there's nothing wrong with boycotting any business for any reason, but naming the business on a neutral website amounts to using that website as a tool to mount a campaign to ruin the business based on personal animosity, which is exactly what's going on here.
Don't see what's not to understand????
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Don't see what's not to understand????
Just naming what I prefer not to contribute to. There's a lot of posts elsewhere on IC regarding nutrients, companies, that are unethical? One less purchase is "boycotting", from previous blog regarding cancel culture. As mentioned, not gathering a mob to storm their headquarters, nor to mount a campaign.
There's many facets to cancel culture....mine is just one of those angles. Simple "boycott" of products or companies that are unethical.....or "calling out" businesses that are unfair or have an ultraconservative, right wing Christian view.
Don't see what's not to understand????
Just naming what I prefer not to contribute to. There's a lot of posts elsewhere on IC regarding nutrients, companies, that are unethical? One less purchase is "boycotting", from previous blog regarding cancel culture. As mentioned, not gathering a mob to storm their headquarters, nor to mount a campaign.
There's many facets to cancel culture....mine is just one of those angles. Simple "boycott" of products or companies that are unethical.....or "calling out" businesses that are unfair or have an ultraconservative, right wing Christian view.
Well Arid, like I said, ICMag is a large, international, politically neutral website and if you think there aren't any ultraconservative, right wing Christian members here you would be sadly mistaken.
They may not post much in the SC 'cause maybe they don't like being ganged up on but they're here.
As implied in my Devil's Advocate post, you can personally vote with your wallet and boycott ANY business run by ANY group you feel personal prejudice towards, but mounting a campaign against that group, on a website where YOU do business may not be in your best interest as these folks are your current or potential customers.
You know what happens when you throw shit and it hits the fan right, there tends to be unexpected splatter?
And I'm sure you've heard the expression 'turnabout is fair play' (a proverb that means if someone has harmed you, it is permissible to retaliate in kind. Turnabout is fair play is used to justify paying back a real or perceived injury).
'nuff said, I'm sure you get my point, you're a business man!
White Beard
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Here’s my thinking on the topic...
What is now called “cancel culture” was once just called culture, and custom. It’s how we got phases like “we don’t DO things like that here”, and “keep a civil tongue in your head”, and “if you want respect, show respect”, and “if that’s how it’s going to be, I don’t *want*/ you don’t *get* my business”.
Before the upheavals of the 60s, that was all very clear to everyone; it’s a big part of why people remember the postwar period so fondly: everyone was very clear about how to treat people. Problem was, there were real problems with how that played out, regarding ostracized and servant populations; and a lot of those customs we were all accustomed to started to break apart in the 60s - the infamous ‘erosion of traditional values’...and now, those pieces are beginning to reconfigure themselves in new ways. In many cases, what was both customary and necessary remains with us but has been broadened. We are coming up with ways to treat people who were once shunned and reviled but are in fact citizens who have earned neither.
The driving force behind it all is the need to treat black people as if they’re people. It expanded to include women, and LGBTAQ; it expanded to include religions other than Christianity (okay, still very much a work in progress; it is expanding to include children; it has expanded to include non-‘white’ persons *not* descended from generations of forced laborers. And yes, it’s all still work-in-progress, but the last few months have caused our general public sense of right and wrong to re-crystallize, our moral centers as a culture are not aligning as they were: witness the general revulsion against those who broke into the Capitol, who intentionally desecrated the place - literally shat on the history and operations of the nation they claimed to love - who hunted members of Congress with murderous intent.
Citizens are recoiling from horror at the tone of the last year, the callous actions and refusals to act on the part of the administration, the snowstorm of false histories, distortions, the unprecedented effort to pretend an election didn’t count, after the ruling party itself certified it, the persistence of police murder and LE overreach. Those “inner moral voices” are getting reprogrammed by these events, and the lists of ‘acceptable’ and ‘unacceptable’ are getting written again.
When this happens, new lines begin to form as customs change and individuals change them. Choosing not to associate with those who do or say or advocate views, positions, and/or actions we find unacceptable is INNATELY HUMAN. Maybe is should call it “innately *primate*, as IIRC ape tribes have been known to drive out members the community has lost trust in. It’s called shunning, aka ‘the silent treatment’, and when spontaneous (not invoked by ‘an authority’) it’s a true expression of conscious popular choice: a choice not to associate with people who make a practice of violating ones sense of right and wrong.
The Capitol raid has violated a sense of right and wrong that I suspect many people had forgotten they had...and the repercussions continue to stab at the general sense that it was a bad thing to do, a bad thing to provoke, a bad thing to support, a bad thing to let go unpunished.
Ironic that the response of the coup supporters had been to claim they’re being cancelled: ironic because they (via Trump) claimed that the 2016 election would ONLY be fair if Trump won; ironic because after the 2018 election, they decided that the election was “trying to overturn the 2016 election” and fought to CANCEL the mid-terms and their effects; ironic because NOW they’re trying to CANCEL a mandated national election that’s been certified by the same party that gives aid and comfort to the coup plotters, participants, and supporters.
Because 74 million is MORE IMPORTANT than the other 81 million...apparently...so CANCEL IT! CANCEL THE CONSTITUTION! VOTING ISN’T FAIR ‘CAUSE WE LOST! TO HELL WITH REPRESENTATIVE SELF-GOVERNMENT, *DO WHAT WE TELL YOU*
BECAUSE MINORITY RULE IS WHAT THE CONFEDERACY WAS BUILT ON
That’s what the Trump side, the “don’t cancel us you bad people” faction, is saying: don’t hold us accountable for ANYTHING we’ve done to wreck the nation, but ESPECIALLY don’t hold us to account for trying to destroy the nation by wrecking our election and imposing a ruler instead of obeying the constitution.
As far as I’m concerned, they’ve cancelled themselves.
A real triumph of psychological manipulation and capture: absorbing the “pill scenario” into the anti-American, anti-constitutional recruitment effort. A real damage factory.
Well, Fox News just cancelled it's wildly popular Business Insider/Lou Dobbs show because for his support for trump and conspiracy theories.
Looks like Fox may be turning more towards the center, might be tempted to tune in and check this interesting situation out.
Cannavore said earlier that Liberals were the new conservatives and I think he may be on to something 'cause 'something' is going on here!
Looks like Fox may be turning more towards the center, might be tempted to tune in and check this interesting situation out.
Cannavore said earlier that Liberals were the new conservatives and I think he may be on to something 'cause 'something' is going on here!
'Boogieman'
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Well, Fox News just cancelled it's wildly popular Business Insider/Lou Dobbs show because for his support for trump and conspiracy theories.
Looks like Fox may be turning more towards the center, might be tempted to tune in and check this interesting situation out.
Cannavore said earlier that Liberals were the new conservatives and I think he may be on to something 'cause 'something' is going on here!
I been saying Fox is turning liberal. I can't watch anyone outside of Tucker. It's the reason why many are turning to YouTube and other outside sources for news. They will never change our views no matter what they do, just lose viewers lol.
