Anita Bonghit
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lol okay i get it
lay off the painkillers completely! forever!
better?
lay off the painkillers completely! forever!
better?
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Can we have a "drug problem discussion thread"?
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Illegal or not (Booze or a prescribed pain pill for instance) can be a real problem for people.
If you take a pill that changes your mood it can be a problem. You may appear hostile or short with your spouse. You may not have the sexual energy that they require, you may not be able to do a lot of things anymore that you and her used to do together. You may find yourself just sleeping your life away, and that impacts the other people in your life. Your taking the drugs is selfish, legal or not. If you are single and plan to remain that way it may not matter what kinds of drugs you take.
If you take a pill that changes your mood it can be a problem. You may appear hostile or short with your spouse. You may not have the sexual energy that they require, you may not be able to do a lot of things anymore that you and her used to do together. You may find yourself just sleeping your life away, and that impacts the other people in your life. Your taking the drugs is selfish, legal or not. If you are single and plan to remain that way it may not matter what kinds of drugs you take.
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greenmatter
yes i think you may not be seeing the point i was trying to make .... that is o.k. you are lucky to not understand. trust me.
i can not speak for everyone out there but let me try to explain.
addicts are wired different than others, understand that first and foremost. if you make the mistake of thinking that you and your friend handle drugs the same way you are in for trouble. what you can put down or just leave alone, he may not be able to resist. rewarding him with pain killers for not taking painkillers sounds to me like rewarding a dog that does not drink anti-freeze with a bowl of ant-freeze.
what most of us do with whatever our drug of choice is, is escape, we use it as a crutch and that stuff makes you think walking with crutches is the only option. your friend needs some help learning to walk without those things.
help him stay sober long enough to learn to walk again. when he starts enjoying life as a whole and gets over wanting to escape he may be able to to walk with that crutch on occasion, but if he is smart he will never start to lean on the thing again.
your friend is an addict ....... if you want to help him you need help him stay clean while he gets things sorted out. it may be harder on you than it is on him, but that is what friends do.
sorry if that got long
Why is MDMA "better" than painkillers? Why are painkillers "negative" and MDMA is not when they both essentially do the exact same thing to your brain, just in different capacities?
edit- sorry, this is not what this thread is supposed to be about. let's just call it square and move on, shall we?
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CC Rider
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ex-opium addict checking in..(yes opium).....i am an addict through and through....but one of the best things i learned while on my trips through the lands of AA/NA is that.....some ARE sicker than others, but its a very personal thing.....i smoke the herbs i love life and i live....one day at a time....
life is only beautiful if you allow it.
peace and love!
life is only beautiful if you allow it.
peace and love!
bluepeace
Member
I got busted up(broken bones) in the Air Force. They medically discharged me and gave me jars of pills. I had never done a drug beyond alcohol or coffee to that point. After about 6 months of that I just quit cold turkey. I started hiking a lot. It made the pain hurt more but the natural drugs made within my body (oxytoecin,endorphins) are way more addictive for me anyway! The hiking took me to remote Native American Scared places. I fell asleep in a ruin on a mountain top and had a dream about a beautiful Cannabis plant. That was in 2001. From that point till now I've had 4 pills. I don't regret taking them it actually reminded me of a feeling I don't miss Kind of like an Ex. Thus brings me to this great forum!
Peace
Peace
Ive had the pleasure of going to the clinic,the nasty withdrawls and all that.Some people like to drink alcohol ,some like to smoke cannabis.I like to smoke it too,but im not loosing my job over it.So have my pills ,they are not tested for.
The hard part with the pills is the moderation,ive become accustomed to them now,comming on and off of them .I have found that as long as i dont use them everyday,i don't get the nasty withdrawls.4 days off 3 days on...Some times i go as long as 7-10 days with some of it in my system,but then i take 2 -3 days off.With my muscles sometimes ,just a bit sore,but thats it.No sickeness
They have made the new oxy's powder proof with rubber in them.So people can't shoot them ,snort them,or smoke them.This however can be worked around ,by grinding the pill down ,then baking on a cookie sheet till golden brown,then put in the freezer.This allows the nasal route of administration.
Is this useage a good thing? No ...but much the way people like to reward themselves with a beer or a smoke/toke .That is what i like to reward myself with on weekends ,and use it for motivation for completing tasks/housework .I would like to cut back on the number of pills i use in a weekend .Im working on that,as well as buying a cartomizer.So i can quit smoking ciggarettes..Its best to use none of it all all,but at the very least im going to reduce my consumption......
The hard part with the pills is the moderation,ive become accustomed to them now,comming on and off of them .I have found that as long as i dont use them everyday,i don't get the nasty withdrawls.4 days off 3 days on...Some times i go as long as 7-10 days with some of it in my system,but then i take 2 -3 days off.With my muscles sometimes ,just a bit sore,but thats it.No sickeness
They have made the new oxy's powder proof with rubber in them.So people can't shoot them ,snort them,or smoke them.This however can be worked around ,by grinding the pill down ,then baking on a cookie sheet till golden brown,then put in the freezer.This allows the nasal route of administration.
Is this useage a good thing? No ...but much the way people like to reward themselves with a beer or a smoke/toke .That is what i like to reward myself with on weekends ,and use it for motivation for completing tasks/housework .I would like to cut back on the number of pills i use in a weekend .Im working on that,as well as buying a cartomizer.So i can quit smoking ciggarettes..Its best to use none of it all all,but at the very least im going to reduce my consumption......
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greenmatter
Sour Deez
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I went down that slippery road myself, started with vics, the oxys, then heroin. It was a horrible dark 3 years of my life. Opiates are just a horribly addictive drug. I needed the help of suboxone to subdue the horrible withdraws and cravings, that stuff saved my life, although u still have to "get off" the suboxone, its only a partial antagonist so its alot more bearable.
And now i am drug free other then cannabis.
Edit: After reading more of the thread i just wanna throw in an experience i had with mixing opiates/benzos..this experience is also one of the reasons i decided i needed to make a change..
After scoring some dope, the ride back was always the best, got my fix, on top of the world. Looked over and my buddy was blue and drooling, thank god i got him to a hospital in time. I didnt know at the time he was also on benzos, the guy had the biggest tolerance i have seen for opiates, all it took was a bar to almost kill him.
Then a week later my other buddy OD'd...thats when i said i just cant keep up that lifestyle..unfortunately it took the death of a close friend for me to wake up
And now i am drug free other then cannabis.
Edit: After reading more of the thread i just wanna throw in an experience i had with mixing opiates/benzos..this experience is also one of the reasons i decided i needed to make a change..
After scoring some dope, the ride back was always the best, got my fix, on top of the world. Looked over and my buddy was blue and drooling, thank god i got him to a hospital in time. I didnt know at the time he was also on benzos, the guy had the biggest tolerance i have seen for opiates, all it took was a bar to almost kill him.
Then a week later my other buddy OD'd...thats when i said i just cant keep up that lifestyle..unfortunately it took the death of a close friend for me to wake up
We do have a chronic pain social group here for those of us that use opiates or other meds. We can discuss our issues in a very private setting. Its been setup so only members can read any posts there. I f you are having health issues come on over love to have ya.
That's where a huge amount of the taxes from Tobacco & Alcohol go , that's how many of the free clinics, rehab & health education programs are funded . They could just admit it , simply end Prohibition & replace the broken down system with something that reasonably works instead of feeding $$$$ into a system of courts, prisons , jailers ,judges , DA's & lawyers that has broken every state's budgets currently . They've broke themselves ...
And its all about "Prohibition" which proved an Epic Fail .
It is a joke & a glaring failure when you look back to 1933 and much was started with the Govt's own Bureau of Narcotics chief Harry Anslinger and his campaign on "Marijuana" (and other drugs) foster his own career using the most dispicable themes of poverty class , ethnic & racial prejudices . With the wildest stories that still linger in some people's minds today .
As you're saying there's for almost everyone many & all kinds of abuse & addiction issues in life as it is . There are so many examples of abuse & addictions that plague this society that only in the last few decades they've been able to start to evaluate , right down to food issues with obesity , even among the young being at completely epidemic proportions.
You only have to go back to the 1980's under President Ronald Reagan when AIDS first started to alarm and again the Gov't Administration & Reagan himself sat frozen in their ignorant prejudices and did nothing for almost 2yrs . It was about vote-getting & appealing to the religious right (Jerry Falwell) even Reagans own mouthpiece Pat Buchannan at the time announced this was a "disease visited upon Gays because of their lifestyles" .
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BTW, speaking of Prohibition ,
there's a great upcoming Documentary
coming up see IC thread over here :
"It Turned Citizens into Criminals "
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=209217
Master documentary film maker Ken Burn's and Lynn Novick's new effort for PBS the Film “Prohibition” is a three-part, five-and-a-half-hour documentary directed by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick that tells the story of the rise, rule, and fall of the Eighteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The film starts in the 18th century with the early history of alcohol in America and examines the 19th century temperance and progressive movements.
"PROHIBITION"
"Here's the Youtube 5min coverage clips of this docum film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdKK6L8Z2o
( this should be real good , must see )
* Harry Anslinger First Narcotics Bureau Chief , some quotes of his
campaign agains drugs & MJ from the 1930's era
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”
“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”
“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”
“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”
there's a great upcoming Documentary
coming up see IC thread over here :
"It Turned Citizens into Criminals "
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=209217
Master documentary film maker Ken Burn's and Lynn Novick's new effort for PBS the Film “Prohibition” is a three-part, five-and-a-half-hour documentary directed by Ken Burns and Lynn Novick that tells the story of the rise, rule, and fall of the Eighteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The film starts in the 18th century with the early history of alcohol in America and examines the 19th century temperance and progressive movements.
"PROHIBITION"
"Here's the Youtube 5min coverage clips of this docum film
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJdKK6L8Z2o
( this should be real good , must see )
* Harry Anslinger First Narcotics Bureau Chief , some quotes of his
campaign agains drugs & MJ from the 1930's era
http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
“There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others.”
“…the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races.”
“Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death.”
“Reefer makes darkies think they’re as good as white men.”
“Marihuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing”
“You smoke a joint and you’re likely to kill your brother.”
“Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind.”
scary
I'd love an invite if ya don't mind...
Been having a rough couple of days, my will nearly broke yesterday but I managed to talk myself out of eating any painkillers. Looking at about 3 weeks clean from everything (except herb and the occasional drink, which I need to cut out as well I think...), even my back feels better now...hoping that's not just placebo from the "pink cloud" effect, because these last few days of very little pain have been wonderful...good lord I hope I can keep it up...with what is happening in my life right now the desire to just pop some pills and forget about reality is incredibly strong and I'm trying desperately not to fall into that trap...
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greenmatter
don't listen to that voice jd ! it is not your friend !!! you can do this man!!!!! FIGHT IT !!!
I know man...I know...and I've done this before...but god dammit, it seemed so much easier when I was younger and so cocky about my place in the world...back when I quit just to prove to my brain and everybody else that I could...now coupled with crippling depression it seems like I've lost my motivation...really having the hardest time not taking my uppers (Vyvanse)...
Starting to lose hope...not that I can't stay off the dope, that's "easy" enough, but that staying off the dope won't do as much for me after years of abuse that it would have years ago when I tried this the first time...looking back at all I've lost in a few short years to drugs is a soul-wrenching exercise, and I'm really bad about being too hard on myself for my mistakes...
I'm not religious, but pray for me...I'm praying for myself...thank you...
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Invitation sent
I have been taking 180-220mg of Morphine daily with Ativan. I dont do this to get high I do this to take the pain away. I do get sick from it from time to time. Most people can not stop with out help. You need someone to talk to about stuff and how your feeling .
I have been taking 180-220mg of Morphine daily with Ativan. I dont do this to get high I do this to take the pain away. I do get sick from it from time to time. Most people can not stop with out help. You need someone to talk to about stuff and how your feeling .
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H^2o2
prescription or non-prescription is still fkn DRUGZ, man. It's not some naturally growing herb, it's a drug.
I'm addicted to klonopin. If I just don't take klonopin and do my thing, I think too much. And I also like the high I get. Especially when I smoke. But I think of it like that House doctor, I'm not snorting it or taking way too much. But I'm taking some, so I might as well be taking heroin or crack.
I'm going to say screw drugs if they don't actually help you and especially if they make you overly high.
I'm addicted to klonopin. If I just don't take klonopin and do my thing, I think too much. And I also like the high I get. Especially when I smoke. But I think of it like that House doctor, I'm not snorting it or taking way too much. But I'm taking some, so I might as well be taking heroin or crack.
I'm going to say screw drugs if they don't actually help you and especially if they make you overly high.
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greenmatter
stop kicking yourself harder than you need to..... part of that is that voice whispering to you from the dark. might help to drag him out and slap the shit out of him again. that always cheers me up.
change your game jd ..... go outside, walk, read a book, toss a ball for a dog ...... do anything to not sit and kick the shit out of yourself. you can do it!
I have to admit it out in the open. Never cared for the opiates, even when supply was no issue. What fun is puking an itching til you bleed? 100% legal Dexedrine (cost? $10/month - no kidding) ---->> it will be the death of me. I can't fathom how people move past that feeling.
