Can I increase my odds of getting a male for breeding?

[Sam_Skunkman]

Anyone that thinks cold will turn Cannabis seedings male just answer this:

Do you think cold will make all female seeds turn male? Why not? Or why so?
It is the cold not the genes right? So Try and do so......
-SamS

 

[Reevage]

DON'T USE STRESS!!! the seeds have a higher chance of coming out hermp. as far as your male/female ratio that's pretty good for most people. But for me (and what sounds like you too) I want to breed. So far I've gotten pretty lucky. I've gotten an av erage of 1 male per seeds I've gotten. Next up will be Obama kush x Raspberry kush. any name Ideas?

 

[Asche]

DON'T USE STRESS!!! the seeds have a higher chance of coming out hermp. as far as your male/female ratio that's pretty good for most people. But for me (and what sounds like you too) I want to breed. So far I've gotten pretty lucky. I've gotten an av erage of 1 male per seeds I've gotten. Next up will be Obama kush x Raspberry kush. any name Ideas?

how about kismet kush

Anyone that thinks cold will turn Cannabis seedings male just answer this:

Do you think cold will make all female seeds turn male? Why not? Or why so?
It is the cold not the genes right? So Try and do so......
-SamS

i have the slight feeling your record hooked up there
maybe you have some experience but as far i as can see
you are just trolling around playing the big guy.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

how about kismet kush



i have the slight feeling your record hooked up there
maybe you have some experience but as far i as can see
you are just trolling around playing the big guy.

No problem I can stop, I just do not like people calling for science then giving references that have almost or nothing to do with using cold to turn Cannabis seedlings sex ratios tilted to male.
If you think I am trolling you do not know what a troll is and does. At only 151 posts it seems obvious you are not a troll.
I just refuse to take the so called science references as having any value on the subject.
Go through my 2,000 odd posts and see if I am a troller or not. Or if maybe my goal was to help people.
You seem to jump to quick conclusions, no problem, I am gone and you certainly can think whatever you want about cold and Cannabis seedlings and use whatever references you and friends want to try and prove the point to other non academics, whether it is true or not.
Asche,
Do you really believe that cold makes more female seedling with Cannabis? Or is the question just not answered to you?
BTW, I have grown thousands of Chinese Yunnan "indica" I would call them WLH. Robert Clarke and I collected them in Yunnan. They are not for smoking unless hybridized with a strong THC variety, or selected for several years to bring up the THC which is low low low. Interesting smells and tastes lot of resin. not much effect. You were interested in them yes? I have many many kilos of the seeds.
Good Luck,
-SamS

 

[headband 707]

Q: Can I increase my odds of getting a male for breeding?

A:, No, gender is determined genetically.

Yes I believe this is true yet if I let my seeds get hot or take them out of the fridge, I seem to have more males then females this might just be an anomaly but I have found this to be true at least for me headband 707

 

[Asche]

ok now ic about the cooling, that seems to have been misunderstood.
colloidal silver is ionic and interrupts the energy charging.
in my eyes that cools it.. but call that however sorry about that.

i see value in those things which are for some eyes not related to cannabis
for me the answers are in-between the lines otherwise we will never find a connection

about the yunnan did you accidentally bump into that thread?
i´m getting the feeling you are trying to bribe me hehe kilos of seeds?
sounds good... get them popping before they grow too old.

an ironic coincidence is that i am growing pck and i am not getting any male at all
9 plants 8 female one has not flowered yet ..

talking about increasing odds of getting a male for breeding haha
good luck either

 

[Dropped Cat]

ok now ic about the cooling, that seems to have been misunderstood.
colloidal silver is ionic and interrupts the energy charging.
in my eyes that cools it.. but call that however sorry about that.

i see value in those things which are for some eyes not related to cannabis
for me the answers are in-between the lines otherwise we will never find a connection

about the yunnan did you accidentally bump into that thread?
i´m getting the feeling you are trying to bribe me hehe kilos of seeds?
sounds good... get them popping before they grow too old.

an ironic coincidence is that i am growing pck and i am not getting any male at all
9 plants 8 female one has not flowered yet ..

talking about increasing odds of getting a male for breeding haha
good luck either

What are your temps like where the seeds germinate?

I also notice when popping seeds that I seem to
germinate more females than males. Maybe I
use selective memory to select out males.

I have yet to germinate more than 6 or 8 seeds
at a time. I grow micro.

However I would defer to a more experienced
grower who has germinated hundreds at a time
before jumping to any conclusions about what
determines, well, anything.

Good luck with your grows.

 

[TheRealHash]

Like the man said

Well the breeding chapter says otherwise and there is a diagram which only proves my point, please look it up. I happen to know because I wrote that specific chapter for that particular book.

Fwiw, that info is gleaned from DP's marketing material about their early feminized seeds, published around the time they were using intersex plants instead of STS-reversed pollen donors and had many, many customers with intersex plants. That info is not taken from a reliable source, imo.

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With all due respect badger, that's a crock. I've germinated many many thousands of seeds in my day and all the regular seeds statistically approach 50/50 males:females the more seeds you grow. When you grow smaller lots you 'think' you see things that you assume make the gender lean towards one direction or another, but as the population size grows the apparent 'effect' disappears. I've grown many sets of seeds and used genetic markers to screen for the presence of the Y chromosome and it is %100 percent concordant with gender outcome.

You can alter gender expression with ethylene blockers or by spraying males with ethephon, you can pull crazy stresses on plants and make them show as intersex, but that effect is transient and does not alter the gender. Gender is determined by genetics, as stated previously, not by environment. This has been discussed ad nauseum over a series of internet fora, including this one so I'm not going to rehash it all here.

You can lead a horse to water....

-Chimera

Q: Can I increase my odds of getting a male for breeding?

A:, No, gender is determined genetically.

I know somebody said it already but, if you want to 'increase your odds of getting a male for breeding' you simply need to crack a lot of beans so you get a shit ton of males to select from.

 

[Asche]

thank you Dropped Cat, i found a very sexy pck lady
which i would want to give some love to so i am waiting
for a horny male to sex it.

my temperatures where around 25 degrees maybe a little cooler
during night times, since it was winter and i didnt heat but sure
not below 18 for a few hours, it actually stayed quite warm
during the light off times in the grow area.

not to speculate over a few seeds is probably a good attitude
but some things can be seen fast either.

it doesnt take touching fire many times for example
to understand that it burns..

it all depends on the amount of sensitivity
which we are prepared to share.

good luck to you to

 

[GreenintheThumb]

Hey guys,

I flipped this coin 9 times and got heads 8 times! It was 25 degrees out, maybe a little cooler during the night.

I think I'm on to something. Something called sampling error.

 

[Chimera]

Ok, please explain this...same plant, same bud exploding with seeds ....so when planted in January in semi-tropical climate (tempos cool at night....50F), less light (13.75 hrs)....exact same seeds from exact same bud, exact same plant...planted in perfect environment....lights, humidity, warmth.

Colder temps in January (albeit semi-tropical climate zone) garners 8 out of 10 males. In optimum environment....8 out of 10 female. All from same plant, same bud, same seed. WHY????

That's part of my observations last few years. Had lengthily study decades ago....same occurrence.

Seems to me environment plays a significant role in percentage of M:F.

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See 'Occam 's Razor'
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When you average the two trials against each other, 8/10 females vs 2/10 females under your 'different' conditions / treatment groups, you clearly end up with a 50:50 sex ratio of 10/20 females and 10/20 males.... which is perfectly consistent with a 50/50 XX/XY ratio.

This supports the results determined not only through cytogenics, but also through observation by multiple breeder's and researchers around the globe. Its also consistent with the development of feminized/gynoecious seedlots- by your hypothesis we should see males coming from true gynoecious seedlots if germinated under cooler conditions- we don't.

Simply put, cannabis gender is controlled genetically- it cannot be altered by environmental conditions like cold temps during germination. Even your own data supports this conclusion.

Gender is determined at the point of fertilization.

I encourage you to repeat your experiment and document the results for all to see, from planting, to sexing, to harvest of each treatment group. Saying "I did this experiment years ago, take my word on it' is simply not sufficient. The FACT that your data supports an XY system of gender determination should make you reconsider your position.

You are seeing population effects from small sample sizes that don't represent the overall population; simply adding your two groups together completely eliminates any effect seen, which only reenforces the contention that with minuscule population sizes you can see effects that are not real and disappear completely when averaged over a sufficient sample population, which is why I previously suggested to grow out more seeds per run and record your results.

Respectfully,
-Chimera

 

[Asche]

Hey guys,

I flipped this coin 9 times and got heads 8 times! It was 25 degrees out, maybe a little cooler during the night.

I think I'm on to something. Something called sampling error.

i didnt relate the temperatures to that coincidence
sorry if that was misunderstood.

it seems that there are many which have the necessity
to proof something, making pretty false conclusions.
you can call that sampling error true..

i say its not about proofing it, but about
trying to open up an understanding.