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Cambodian suggestions, anyone?
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Great, will look for that one Thanks!
brickweeder
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KD, it would be awesome if you went for an open pollination seed run with your cambodian seeds; top to create multiple main growing shoots (more than 4 is better) to spread the stretch over multiple mains, and supercrop those that approach the height limit of your set-up.
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in the next week or two I will start the Cambodian project with the landrace from Khalifa. Mekong haze from Delta 9 labs is next. sometime later I'll order the Khmer gold , but the two former is what I have space for at the moment.
I guess a new thread is more appropriate for questions and advice onwards?
I guess a new thread is more appropriate for questions and advice onwards?
I guess you got the Khalifa Cambodian direct. I didn't know their Cambo seeds were even mature. Not offered on their site yet. I'm looking forward to their Lao which should be coming out soon.
Yes if you're going to be doing these a thread about it would be great.
It's been said that Cambodia is now broadly contaminated by foreign/hybrids. Hopefully these were collected and preserved intact.
Yes, Musigny, I contacted them directly, as the seeds are not completely ready for official release yet.
I have started a new thread now, concerning making this Cambodian landrace autoflower.
The seeds were collected only a few years ago, so there is always a chance they are some what tainted, but khalifa describes the Cambodian as having a potent cerebral effect with a very special terpene profile. The seeds were at least hand picked in cambodia. I also find it concerning and sad that Cambodia is overflowed with modern hybrids.
I have started a new thread now, concerning making this Cambodian landrace autoflower.
The seeds were collected only a few years ago, so there is always a chance they are some what tainted, but khalifa describes the Cambodian as having a potent cerebral effect with a very special terpene profile. The seeds were at least hand picked in cambodia. I also find it concerning and sad that Cambodia is overflowed with modern hybrids.
It comes up over and over again on here, this idea that people in the third world shouldn't be growing modern hybrids. I'm not sure people realise the implication of this dehumanizing statement. Think about it.... why is it that you should have access to choose from 1000's of varieties but people in countries that have land race varieties should only be growing local varieties. Who are you to have an opinion on what other people should or should not do. (this is not aimed at anyone in particular)
The reality is that if its worth saving people will save it, Im just thankful to companies like Ace who modernising land race genetics without diluting them. My apologies for the rant.
The reality is that if its worth saving people will save it, Im just thankful to companies like Ace who modernising land race genetics without diluting them. My apologies for the rant.
Im'One
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I get that, you are talking about third.world.countries where people are living hand to mouth. If we were in their shoes we would grow as many crops in a short period as we could
Um, basically you are saying, judging is bad, therefore I'm going to pass judgement.
Maybe think a bit more yourself because you're getting it wrong. Let me rephrase it for you. People that live in areas with a long cannabis tradition and have naturally evolved diverse unique genetics are very fortunate to be in that special position. It is hoped they will understand and value the very special and irreplaceable treasure they possess and take the steps needed to protect and preserve it.
The areas of the world where modern hybrids were created and dominate are areas that have no long existing cannabis tradition or "landrace" genetics. People in those places aren't directly threatening unique natural types.
The main reason these places and types even still exist today is precisely because the modern industrial system of aggressive corporate exploitation hasn't quite managed to reach and ruin them yet although the pressure on these places continues to increase.
No one is expressing a desire to oppress or dehumanize the people in these areas. If anything it is an attempt to pass on hard learned wisdom about appreciating what is a gift from nature that if allowed to be lost, can't be recovered.
The reality is actually that humans have a terrible record when it comes to protecting and preserving worthwhile things. You can't be serious when you say "if it's worth saving it will saved". That has not been borne out by history, not at all.
I don't know what "modernizing" genetics means. It's fine that a company like Ace is in the business of selecting and refining types to make them more efficient in the ways people want them but what they do can't be considered preservation of genetic diversity of naturally created populations. Diverse natural populations provide the raw materials for breeding and so it's important they continue to exist.
Who am I to have an opinion? A person with decades of experience and some hard learned wisdom, freely offered to others so that they might find some benefit from it and hopefully those benefits are broadly shared.
Poor people in poor countries can grow whatever they want. Actually they do it. I usually try to encourage them to realize their landrace weed is much better than modern overrated hybrids. If they continue replacing their landraces for hybrids everyone can grow indoor at home, perhaps their business will turn worse and worse.
I am sure I am not going to to travel to Jamaica in order to get seeds or smoke their tiny hybrid weed grown under the tropical sun there. The same is for Mexico, Colombia, Morocco, and all those countries which have lost already their unique genetics. Why I should take the risk to visit the highlands of Guerrero or Michoacan if I can grow better Kush at home than the one they grow there. They are interesting countries, leaving aside cannabis, no doubt. But talking only about cannabis, simply they aren't interesting anymore. The only reason to buy imported weed in a country or state where you can buy weed legally is the price. Or perhaps because you prefer poor treated brick schwag sprayed with only God knows what!
They have lost at least one customer. You can be sure! I prefer to smoke jimson weed.
I am sure I am not going to to travel to Jamaica in order to get seeds or smoke their tiny hybrid weed grown under the tropical sun there. The same is for Mexico, Colombia, Morocco, and all those countries which have lost already their unique genetics. Why I should take the risk to visit the highlands of Guerrero or Michoacan if I can grow better Kush at home than the one they grow there. They are interesting countries, leaving aside cannabis, no doubt. But talking only about cannabis, simply they aren't interesting anymore. The only reason to buy imported weed in a country or state where you can buy weed legally is the price. Or perhaps because you prefer poor treated brick schwag sprayed with only God knows what!
They have lost at least one customer. You can be sure! I prefer to smoke jimson weed.
Update.
I now have the cambodian landrace from khalifa and the Mekong haze from Delta9, ten of each are soaking at the moment. Pure cambodian landrace.
I also have kali mist, Western winds and several sativa hybrids containing kali mist.
kali mist auto, kali china, thai Chi, melon kali, stonehedge and y griega.
I got ten raspberry cough as well. Sure have a little collection of cambodian genetics now.
First up is growing out some pure landrace to see what it's like, twenty five years since my first time, then securing a nice mother. Then I will play with making my own crosses and also try to make an auto version of the cambodian. I have lots of fun and interesting work cut out for me!
I now have the cambodian landrace from khalifa and the Mekong haze from Delta9, ten of each are soaking at the moment. Pure cambodian landrace.
I also have kali mist, Western winds and several sativa hybrids containing kali mist.
kali mist auto, kali china, thai Chi, melon kali, stonehedge and y griega.
I got ten raspberry cough as well. Sure have a little collection of cambodian genetics now.
First up is growing out some pure landrace to see what it's like, twenty five years since my first time, then securing a nice mother. Then I will play with making my own crosses and also try to make an auto version of the cambodian. I have lots of fun and interesting work cut out for me!
It's not so much a rant, as a straw man
In other words, it misrepresents the case people are making
Growing hybrids per se is not the problem
Permanetly wiping out millennia of biodiversity is the problem
Most people growing Cannabis in the so-called "third world" (your term) are doing it because they have no alternative, i.e. they are from poor marginalized communities
They will grow what sells - and if their customers want modern hybrids, that's what they will grow if somebody gives them the seeds
Literally nobody is going around blaming the farmers for making that choice
The onus is on the people bringing seeds to these places
And with respect, your non-rant doesn't show much sign of realizing just how serious it is for the original landrace to get wiped out - for Cannabis as a species, and for the communities for which those original strains are a legacy
The notion that classic Thai, Lao, Himalayan, Mexican, Caribbean landraces got wiped out by hybrids because hybrids are in some sense simply better is wrongheaded in the extreme
Hybridization and genetic introgression is a one-way street - there's no going back
And the notion that farmers make the switch from their old landraces to modern hybrids because the hybrids give them a superior product or yield simply isn't born out either... as anyone who's been to places like Cambodia, Jamaica, Mexico, Colombia etc knows
btw, very unlikely indeed that the Cambodian accession referred to above is a pure landrace, judging from photos I've seen of it
It's well past time for Cannabis enthusiasts to educate themselves about the importance of keeping pure inbred lines of all kinds, and not just relentlessly hybridizing everything till it turns into a homegenous slop... thankfully more people are waking up to this, esp. in the States
on the other hand sadly, there are more and more growers who don't even know the difference between a landrace and a mongrolized landrace
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