Calif. pot dispensaries told by feds to shut down

[monkey5]

JJ, I spent my day today...

JJ, I spent my day today...

I think the Constitution has been trampled on and stretched for years......

But it's become clear to me how it happens..... People sit and bitch about the President instead of laying into the clowns that write and pass these Bills...... And that's why it will continue to happen.....While you're sitting here cursing and blaming the President, some Congressman's probably drawing up another one of these travesties.....

~~~ JJ, I spent my entire day today just about..every free moment..working for/towards getting Ron Paul elected! I passed out..&..posted this information every place I could to friends & relatives! Here: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=226485&page=168 ..the information I am speaking about here is POSTS#2512 & POST#2513 & POST#2514 I made an all out effort to give that information to ex-military members and people I know love this country & who vote! I am doing all I can to get Ron Paul into office in 2012!! monkey5

 

[monkey5]

JJ, Please watch the video in POST#2512 Constitutional .. always! Vetrans LOVE Ron Paul! Why? Listen to the vetrans talking on that video! Think I Love The USA! monkey5

 

[Yes4Prop215]

Romney does not support the legalization of medical marijuana either...both Obama and Romney will continue the assault on MMJ and states rights in general..

repubs are such damn hypocrites, they claim to be about states rights then totally dodge the issues on MMJ, gay rights, abortion, etc......fucking political sacks of shit....


ron paul is really the only damn hope for this country to change.....4 more years of police state and things will have gone too far down the deep end for a reversal, its gonna come down to the most advanced police state we could imagine....

 

[kmk420kali]

Yep! But they have their own reasons, as I will outline below.


I have to disagree with that assessment, and please let me explain why.

We know that 'they' (government on state and federal levels) know the income in just direct cash sales of cannabis amounts to. My take on it is that they not only want *in*, they want it for themselves. Our government has become highly corporatized, and if you examine both who staffs many appointed positions as well as who lobbies as well as funds politicians via PACs (PAC = political action committee, and it is through *this* avenue that corporations are able to fund with BIG dollars those politicians who are continually voted into place, over and over and over again--advertising REALLY WORKS), and add that to legislation and judicial decisions, and then add to THAT the fact that pharmaceutical companies are gaining patents and are doing testing that indicates they're ready to work with the plant, then you get the government taking over cannabis completely.

I expect it to become as tobacco was and distilled spirits are. You can have it, you can consume it, but you CANNOT produce it yourself, you may not have a hand in the business side of it unless you pay the fees, permits, taxes, jump through the hoops (i.e. are filtered out of the equation into becoming an end-user only), and they (our corporatocracy) will reap the benefits.

The only thing left is for rescheduling, and I expect that to be timed very closely with release of medications to the market. Make sense?

For these reasons, legalization would not have done a thing to change what's happening on a federal level. I feel that local municipalities are going to end up playing into this, but for different reasons (see my sig line).

I will gladly pay any fees or permits...long as I don't have to worry about getting busted for it!!

 

[kmk420kali]

I think the Constitution has been trampled on and stretched for years......

But it's become clear to me how it happens..... People sit and bitch about the President instead of laying into the clowns that write and pass these Bills...... And that's why it will continue to happen.....While you're sitting here cursing and blaming the President, some Congressman's probably drawing up another one of these travesties.....

And New Yawk has how many Bills coming up for Legalization??
Congressmen and Senators alike...have not come up with one single Bill that will withstand the Voters!! But the President has single handedly set the whole Movement back-- I don't hate Obama...he may be the lesser of the Evils coming up....but I don't applaud him either-- No Hate involved man....just an observation--

 

[headband 707]

Sorry if I pulled the blindfold offa ol' Lady Justice!! DEA!!
In case that isn't apparent...it means, "Kiss my ASS DEA!!!"
Don't care if i'm a Target!!

Fuckin "A" on this... what justice lol...
I guess this is what they call blind justice right ?
I'm with you kmk420kali....

Headband 707

 

[headband 707]

hy is the Obama Administration Suddenly Fixated on Stomping out Medical Pot?

hy is the Obama Administration Suddenly Fixated on Stomping out Medical Pot?

Feb 8 /12

http://www.alternet.org/drugs/154070/why_is_the_obama_administration_suddenly_fixated_on_stomping_out_medical_pot/

 

[zymos]

What do we have to show for all of Obama's deficit spending? My God the staggering amount of American future that a$$wipe pee'd down the drain. You could make a case that he deserves a very harsh penalty for what he's really done.

You mean how unemployment has steadily dropped over the past 3 years? And manufacturing has steadily increased during that same time?
Treason I tell you!

 

[VirginHarvester]

You mean how unemployment has steadily dropped over the past 3 years? And manufacturing has steadily increased during that same time?
Treason I tell you!

Oh stop it, that man has not done a damn thing to help your economy grow. It's the American people succeeding in spite of your dummy President. I honestly hope you understand that.

At this point in time, after GWB's Presidency, we should all be better at seeing and reading these politicians for their lies. If you cannot see Obama lie when he speaks, when he twists reality, you are probably a partisan supporter and will do so no matter what... almost like you're looking to be lied to because it helps you cope.

Be careful

 

[Hydrosun]

You mean how unemployment has steadily dropped over the past 3 years? And manufacturing has steadily increased during that same time?
Treason I tell you!

Sorry but I don't think there is a single net job over three years ago. Just because they stop counting people as unemployed (because their government benefit checks run out), DOES NOT mean jobs have been created.

Inflation adjusted wages for the bottom 25% of Americans has fallen over the last three decades. Millions of people living on less and less leads to anger and revolt.

 

[JJScorpio]

Ok everyone, myself included.

We need to keep this conversation within the thread title and not get to far off into other politics. Which is very easy to do........

I can't tell you why this is happening now. But I would bet it has something to do with money and the pressure people are putting on the Administration. I hate to say it, but myself and a few others predicted after 19 went down that it wouldn't be long before things changed. When there's billions of dollars involved, the US isn't one to turn their backs. They want their 33 percent. Maybe they're getting frustrated because they can't figure out a way to capatalize on these funds. Who knows? But I'm honestly surprised they've kept their paws out of the till for this long.....

 

[Duplicate]

For anyone interested in who is writing and/or sponsoring which bills. Also, for contact info:

www.opencongress.org/

 

[HempKat]

INot sure how I feel about the Gov getting into the cannabis business lol.. Look what they have done to every other business they have gotten their greedy paws on jj....

Actually as I understand it the government has been in the marijuana business for quite some time. Most of us just aren't aware because there is only a handful of people this business serves. If however you have ever watched Montel talk about his story and how he's one of the few with a legal (in the Feds eyes) prescription for marijuana to treat MS, then you've likely seen images of his medicine. A can of pre-rolled joints from the US Government, grown on Government owned land and then harvested and packaged in government owned/controlled facilities.

The point being if it was all just about greed then marijuana would have been legalized years ago and the demand supplied by these same facilities and/or others like them.

 

[HempKat]

BOG is for obama?

bummer

holy crap and jjscorpio

what site am I on?

Ron Paul or Bust!

Obama can't do SHIT except spend our money and put us in MORE WARS, peace candidate my ass.

Just because some people refuse to play the pin the blame/praise on the President game does not mean they are for or against the President in question. It simply means they're not being drawn into the game that the real powers that be want everyone to play.

 

[HempKat]

obviously if ron paul were in office this wouldn't be happening to ca.

I really wish Ron Paul does get elected just so everyone of you that thinks he is the way, the truth and the light will see he's really just a politician like the rest of them and that most of if not all the things he promises will never come to pass or come to pass but in a way that if you knew it was going to be that way you never would have supported him.

Now just to be clear I'm not saying he's a bad person at heart but there is a historical prescedence to follow and in the 50+ years I've been around not one President managed to keep the bulk of promises they made. Just like the current President they all manage to get the lesser things done but those lesser promises aren't really what capture peoples hearts and minds.

I don't care who you put in Office, even if it's someone as removed from the Beltway Insiders Crowd as Joe The Plumber, marijuana will not become legalized until the real powers that be want it to.

 

[HempKat]

I just realized we've allowed this thread to go on for 67 pages spreading false information and untruths. After doing some research I can't see one copy of this alleged letter. But I did find this from USA today based from these alleged letters.......

"The Justice Department today announced that it is targeting dozens of medical-marijuana operations that it claims are fronts for illegal drug dealing and are not legal under the state's 15-year-old Compassionate Use Act".

Supposedy back in Oct of last year dispensories were told to close in 45 days, yet nothing has happened to those staying in compliance.

Can anyone show a copy of this alleged letter telling all disp to shut down? Or is this nothing but 67 pages of rumor ranting?

Perhaps many don't want to discuss this because if we accept it's just the one's not in compliance that are being raided then we must also accept Obama has not waivered from his position all along to let the states deal with MMJ as they see fit rather then waste Federal Resources. Obviously that wouldn't do though because how could we have this discussion without a clearly defined scapegoat to pin it all on? How could we possibly have hope for the future if the solution is more complicated then voting Obama out and some other politician in?

 

[Smoking Nomad]

as long as the govt. can't find a way to tax ALL of it, they will fight. it is still simple economics.

 

[HempKat]

then you are not looking

there have been several.

Then why aren't you posting them? I mean your track record shows that you'll gladly post things that support your arguement so the only logical conclusion for your lack of links to arrests supporting your arguement is that there aren't any. Keep in mind cases involving MMJ sales outside the state or to people without the proper doctor recs or anything else that is evidence of operation outside of State Guidelines does not support your arguement. Yeah sure several people have attempted to answer JJ's request for proof of this thread's topic but in every answer I've seen, they all included other things taking the business outside of compliance with all State Laws.

 

[HempKat]

You are simply not understanding the Catch 22 they have created--
They raid anyone they want...then...that is it-- There is no "Suing"...NOTHING!! It is against Federal Law, so they are covered...NO MATTER WHAT!!
And just to rub some Pepper in the Wound...they Deputize local LEO to be Federal Officers...everybody is covered!!
It is a crooked mess dude...

There has to be suing, someone posted a chart saying Obama favors civil lawsuits and criminal charges against MMJ providers, and if someone posted it here it must be true right? Although I'm not sure what sort of civil suit the Feds would be bringing against anyone providing MMJ.

I realize JJ is saying the dispensaries in compliance should be suing the Feds but if there is no sueing then there is no sueing period and if there is no sueing then how can there be civil cases against MMJ Providers for Obama or any president to favor?

 

[HempKat]

Yep! But they have their own reasons, as I will outline below.


I have to disagree with that assessment, and please let me explain why.

We know that 'they' (government on state and federal levels) know the income in just direct cash sales of cannabis amounts to. My take on it is that they not only want *in*, they want it for themselves. Our government has become highly corporatized, and if you examine both who staffs many appointed positions as well as who lobbies as well as funds politicians via PACs (PAC = political action committee, and it is through *this* avenue that corporations are able to fund with BIG dollars those politicians who are continually voted into place, over and over and over again--advertising REALLY WORKS), and add that to legislation and judicial decisions, and then add to THAT the fact that pharmaceutical companies are gaining patents and are doing testing that indicates they're ready to work with the plant, then you get the government taking over cannabis completely.

I expect it to become as tobacco was and distilled spirits are. You can have it, you can consume it, but you CANNOT produce it yourself, you may not have a hand in the business side of it unless you pay the fees, permits, taxes, jump through the hoops (i.e. are filtered out of the equation into becoming an end-user only), and they (our corporatocracy) will reap the benefits.

The only thing left is for rescheduling, and I expect that to be timed very closely with release of medications to the market. Make sense?

For these reasons, legalization would not have done a thing to change what's happening on a federal level. I feel that local municipalities are going to end up playing into this, but for different reasons (see my sig line).

Actually you can grow tobacco and you can distill spirits you just can't profit from it thru distribution without going thru the proper channels to regulate it for the consumer market. I mean you don't see stories of places selling home beer making kits getting raided and I've known several people in my lifetime that grow tobacco rather then have to take what the tobacco companies distribute with all it's additives and the "sin" taxes governments place on it.