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Calif. pot dispensaries told by feds to shut down
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agreed completely. I dont agree with most peoples veiws on this thread as they have never been to or experienced life as a person who uses prop 215.
It seems like a lot of people hate on CA. I understand as most of America doesnt really like what it doesnt understand. i.e. racism. But the generalizations i read in here are pretty bad. There are lots and lots of places that are run by shady people but i would say with good faith the at for everyone of those there are ones that are there for compassion.
I think people also need to realize that just b/c people are making a living wage as a dispensary owner doesnt mean they are getting rich. Im sure some are but most are just cruising in life, enjoying their work and the fact they can do what they do.
You want to see peopple using the system for profit off sick people look at any pharmacy, walgreens ect...this is the definition of greed.
I dont agree with 60$ 1/8ths or shit like that, imo herb should be no more than 30 an 1/8th at a dispensary. But imo id much rather pay a little more then have none, or have to go to some shady dudes house to get it.
those shops in CO look fuckin horrible, never would you ever ever see me at one of those. Ill take a chill place where y anxiety and ptsd is calm not heightened by prison like atmosphere haha
have fun in you suit and tie labcoat world. idiots. you guys still think everyhting that glitters is gold
the thing thats odd to me, is why so few letters, why not hook harborside up with a letter, or oaksterdam. makes me think that its really not every disp that is going to get the boot.
because really, how hard is it to copy and paste the name of the property owner on a memo. I figure I could do it here in a couple hours
because really, how hard is it to copy and paste the name of the property owner on a memo. I figure I could do it here in a couple hours
http://www.celebstoner.com/201110228784/news/marijuana-news/feds-target-oaksterdam.html
It seems they are hitting the ones that are close to schools first-- Prolly going to see how the Public responds to this...then start going after the rest--
We were disappointed with Harborside
We were disappointed with Harborside
We decided to add a few clones to out closet from Harborside several months ago. We were going to leave some of Our Honeydew Headband and Maybe some LA clones with them, but they rejected them for some silly ass reason. The OG Kush clone we got from them was tired, the Chemdog91 was below the quality we expect, and the Purple Kush was a short crappy joke.
The Honeydew Headband they rejected, totally walked on anything they had, yet they were stupid and arrogant, and acted as though they knew it all.Someone could have grown some tip top shelf weed with those clones. Come to find out, the guy we dealt with has some stupid little closet grow under a T5. What a clown.
We were disappointed with Harborside
We decided to add a few clones to out closet from Harborside several months ago. We were going to leave some of Our Honeydew Headband and Maybe some LA clones with them, but they rejected them for some silly ass reason. The OG Kush clone we got from them was tired, the Chemdog91 was below the quality we expect, and the Purple Kush was a short crappy joke.
The Honeydew Headband they rejected, totally walked on anything they had, yet they were stupid and arrogant, and acted as though they knew it all.Someone could have grown some tip top shelf weed with those clones. Come to find out, the guy we dealt with has some stupid little closet grow under a T5. What a clown.
Ill vote for Ron Paul
Ill vote for Ron Paul
Heres a wake up video. See, its not just about Weed.
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1231...-government-controlled-you/?playlist_id=87185
Ill vote for Ron Paul
Heres a wake up video. See, its not just about Weed.
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/1231...-government-controlled-you/?playlist_id=87185
so you have visited EVERY dispensary in california and can speak on behalf of them all? You can also speak on behalf of how much the dispensary owners are profiting?
one does not need to experience "215 life" in order to see how "215 life" is...
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rick shaw
I'm getting e-mail from several Bay Area dispensaries regarding Obama's Oct.25th arrival in SF
The President will be at the W Hotel at 11:30,3rd & Mission.They are looking for people to show the POTUS how you feel about the DOJ's decision
At 10:00 at The Marriott Courtyard,299-2nd St.there will be a press conference hosted by City and State Officials and dispensary owners denouncing the proposed actions by the DOJ. They are looking for people there as well.
I'm told rep's at the demonstration will be handing out vouchers for grams
The President will be at the W Hotel at 11:30,3rd & Mission.They are looking for people to show the POTUS how you feel about the DOJ's decision
At 10:00 at The Marriott Courtyard,299-2nd St.there will be a press conference hosted by City and State Officials and dispensary owners denouncing the proposed actions by the DOJ. They are looking for people there as well.
I'm told rep's at the demonstration will be handing out vouchers for grams
Source: Miami New Times (FL)
Author: Ray Stern
OBAMA'S WAR ON WEED
In a Strange About-Face, the President Tries to Hack Medical Marijuana Off at the Knees.
The new federal crackdown on medical marijuana announced on October 7 by the four California U.S. Attorneys sent chills throughout the industry. It was a stunning reversal by the Obama administration.
Only two years ago, Deputy U.S. Attorney General David Ogden wrote his infamous "Ogden Memo," announcing the feds wouldn't bother businesses in compliance with their own state laws. It proved a dose of Miracle-Gro to California, where pot-selling stores multiplied since voters approved the state's 1996 medical marijuana law. By late last year, California reportedly had more dispensaries than Starbucks outlets.
Colorado also made it legal in 2000, seeing a similar explosion of new storefronts. The same thing was happening to varying degrees in 16 states, from Arizona to Washington, New Jersey to Delaware.
But the feds' tolerance wasn't quite what it seemed. While legal weed grew to an estimated $10 to $100 billion industry -- no one's quite sure of the exact figure -- activists noticed an alarming undercurrent to the rhetoric: Raids on growers and dispensaries actually increased under Obama.
As hundreds of thousands of state-approved, doctor-recommended patients happily bought their medicine in well-lit stores from knowledgeable "budtenders," the ire of cops and prohibitionists rose.
The first sign of Obama's subterfuge came in late 2010, as California prepared to vote on a ballot proposition that would have legalized growing and possessing small amounts of marijuana for anyone over the age of 21. Under pressure from teetotalers -- nine former Drug Enforcement Agency chiefs begged Obama to oppose the measure -- Attorney General Eric Holder said that it didn't matter what Californians thought. The feds would continue to bust people regardless of the election.
The measure got 46 percent of the vote, but not enough to pass. Yet the medical side of things kept going strong -- too strong for Obama.
When the Oakland City Council prepared to authorize large-scale cultivation centers, Melinda Haag, the U.S. Attorney for California's Northern District, issued the first in what would become a series of letters from her fellow attorneys general. She reminded residents -- in no uncertain terms -- that marijuana was still criminalized under federal law, considered equal to heroin or meth, irrespective of its medicinal value.
Nor did she care what California law said. Her "core priority" would be to prosecute "business enterprises that unlawfully market and sell marijuana" under federal law.
Over the next few months, attorneys general from Maine to Washington wrote their own increasingly menacing letters. In Washington, the feds even threatened to arrest state workers who helped facilitate the industry.
Then the Obama administration released a new letter to "clarify" Ogden's memo. Deputy U.S. Attorney General James Cole verified the about-face: The only people safe from arrest were the "seriously ill" patients and their caregivers.
Everyone else? Be forewarned.
The letter didn't just target those directly involved in the trade. Cole was also threatening supporting industries -- read: banks -- with money laundering charges for dealing in the proceeds from marijuana. Obama had launched a full-on attack on the industries essential to any functioning enterprise.
Banks responded by canceling their weed-related accounts. "Perhaps there may be a few financial institutions here or there that are still accepting accounts," says Caroline Joy, a spokeswoman for the Colorado Bankers Association. "Those facilities don't want to reveal who they are."
The president's push grew louder last month. The U.S. Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms bureau warned medical-marijuana patients that they couldn't legally use pot and own or buy guns.
Then came a one-two punch.
On October 5, the IRS ruled that one of the largest California dispensaries, Harborside Health Center, owed $2.5 million in taxes because federal law precluded standard deductions for businesses engaging in illegal activity.
In other words, Obama was not only blowing off state laws. He was declaring that legal businesses were now nothing more than criminal rackets. And he was carving away every tool they needed to function.
Harborside's owner said he'd go out of business if the IRS didn't reverse course. Dispensaries nationwide saw it as a crippling decision.
Then came another blow two days later: The bombshell dropped by California's four U.S. Attorneys.
They were now going after people who leased stores and land to the pot industry. Violators were given 45 days to close doors, uproot plants, and kick out renters. The penalty for not acting: Seizure of property and arrest.
Laura Duffy, the U.S attorney from California's Southern District, went so far as to threaten media with prosecution for taking pot advertising. ( Disclosure: This newspaper accepts such ads. )
There was no doubt about it: Obama was intent on killing an entire industry -- in the middle of a depression, no less. Left unexplained was why, especially since he was giving the finger to voters in 16 states just a year before he would face them in his own election.
Democratic strategists were perplexed. Roger Salazar, a California party consultant, believes the president may be trying to reach out to a broader base. But that doesn't explain the attack on his own base; Democrats support medical marijuana at high percentages. It doesn't even make sense in luring conservatives. With the country in economic tatters, no one has weed high on their radar.
Except one group, says Salazar: "It's a mystery, I think, it really is, where the pressure is coming from. My sense is it's coming from law enforcement."
Certainly Obama's threats are real. He may be loath to jail landlords, bankers or even dispensary owners. Arresting non-violent, state-sanctioned businesspeople wouldn't be popular. But his quieter war of chopping merchants off at the knees through credit and leasing would ravage the trade. Still, the president has thrown himself into an uphill fight. There is reason to believe medical marijuana will persist, despite his betrayal.
Marijuana Rally Is Medicine
Earlier this month, in a timely coincidence, the California Medical Association's board voted to encourage the feds to legalize marijuana.
Though spokeswoman Molly Weedn emphasizes that the decision by the doctors' group hinges on a call for more research, a report studied by the CMA board before its decision makes it clear that "" at the least "" marijuana shows promise as a medicine.
The CMA's Council on Clinical and Scientific Affairs "has also concluded that components of medical cannabis may be effective for the treatment of pain, nausea, anorexia, and other conditions."
The report goes on to say:
"Cannabinoids are presently thought to exhibit their greatest efficacy when implemented for the management of neuropathic pain, which is a form of severe and often chronic pain resulting from nerve injury, disease, or toxicity.
"The University of California Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research ( CMCR ) recently reported to the California legislature the results of a number of studies. Four studies involved the treatment of neuropathic pain; and all four demonstrated a significant improvement in pain after cannabis administration."
The doctors note that while using marijuana may contain risks, such as addiction, they argue that its prohibition may be more dangerous than the drug itself:
"Under the current prohibition of cannabis, public health is also affected by increased rates of crime surrounding cannabis cultivation, sale and use. The California Legislative Analyst's Office estimates that the incarceration and parole supervision of cannabis offenders costs the state tens of millions of dollars annually."
Nationally, prohibition burns through billions of dollars in lives lost to the violence inherent in the black market, the incarceration of thousands of productive, non-violent Americans, and the lack of access to a beneficial medicine.
Are lots of people using weed without suffering from a medical problem? Absolutely. But just because you've heard that half or more of patients take the drug for "severe and chronic pain" doesn't mean they're all faking it.
In June, the Institute of Medicine estimated that 116 million Americans suffer from significant, chronic pain.
As more research comes in showing that pot can be an effective treatment, and with America's elderly population exploding in the coming decades, the interest in its medicinal qualities seems only likely to rise.
The Truth Will Prevail
Ignorance, false propaganda and rank political posturing tend to be the foundation of the anti-marijuana argument. ( Throw in bureaucratic turf protection as well. The DEA, for example, would need fewer agents if pot was decriminalized nationwide. )
A new Gallup poll shows that a record 50 percent of Americans believe marijuana -- and not just the medical kind -- should be legalized. The poll follows a continuing trend over the past several years of increasing support for legalization.
Obama has chosen to swim against the tide. But there's reason to believe his fight is about politics, not public safety. If this were about safety, alcohol would be his primary target.
Politics cause both sides to fudge the truth. Yet prohibitionists and the government have been particularly egregious. The government is using taxpayer dollars to prop up its side, with the U.S. Justice Department's 64-page booklet, "Speaking Out About Drug Legalization," being a prime example.
The booklet, distributed in print and online, states that "smoked marijuana is not scientifically approved medicine." Forget that by labeling it a drug on par with heroin, the DEA is curtailing the proper study of marijuana, since it prevents even scientists from possessing it for research. The publicly funded propaganda also flies in the face of the opinion of doctors, who see pot's potential as medicine.
It's a strategy that's trickled to states with functionaries unhappy about executing the voters' will. Last December in Arizona, Will Humble, the state's Department of Health Services director, held a news conference about the state's new Medical Marijuana Act. He took a moment to remind reporters that more than 1,000 Arizonans died last year from accidental overdoses from prescription drugs.
But when asked how many of those died from marijuana, Humble refused to answer -- to chuckles from the audience. He referred the question to his chief medical officer, Laura Nelson, who would only say she'd "have to do the research on that" before she could answer.
Then Nelson began stammering about the danger of marijuana due to "car accidents" -- though she had done no research on that, either.
The CMA's new report, interestingly enough, sheds light on statements like Nelson's. It says that prohibitionists often make unsubstantiated claims about car crashes or other purported harms. Studies disagree on its risks to motorists, though there's no question that booze increases the chances of a crash, the report says. Moreover, simulated driving tests reveal that pot smokers overestimate their degree of impairment and "compensate effectively."
If one were a cynic, one might also view U.S. Attorney Laura Duffy's threat to target advertising as a less than subtle threat to control the debate.
True: Federal law prohibits advertising illegal drugs. Google, for example, agreed to pay a $500 million fine this summer for taking online ads promoting "rogue" Canadian pharmacies.
But pot dispensaries are legal businesses within their states. Under Duffy's threat, the feds will have their say, while the pro-pot message would be erased from public view.
Kent Scheidegger, legal director for the conservative Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, tells New Times that Duffy's threat gave him the willies.
"They're on much thinner ice going after the newspaper," says Scheidegger, who otherwise believes the feds should enforce its own laws against marijuana. "... Maybe there is a political strategy."
It's called the "shut them up" strategy.
There Will Be Pushback
Federal law is, for now, on the side of the prohibitionists.
Scheidegger downplays the state victories handed to medical marijuana. He says if the American people want to change the law, they need to encourage Congress to do so.
Yet that ignores a basic political reality: It's extremely difficult for any politician to stand up for marijuana. He or she will be quickly painted as pro-pothead.
Like women's suffrage, the medical marijuana movement has -- in ten states, anyway -- benefited by the direct democracy of citizens initiatives. These elections have taken the pulse of voters in a way that congressional elections cannot.
In six other states and Washington D.C., medical marijuana was legalized by local lawmakers. Other states are bound to vote in favor of decriminalizing pot in the next few years in spite of federal laws.
Phoenix attorney Ty Taber sees it as a major states' rights issue. "Basically, the citizens of these states ... they want marijuana legalized," he says. If Obama wants to play hardball, he says, "You're going to get pushback."
Taber represents Compassion First, a company that helps set up dispensaries. The firm sued Arizona after Governor Jan Brewer, in blatant defiance of voters' wishes, derailed the dispensary portion of Arizona's new law by instructing the Department of Health to reject applications. She simultaneously sued the federal government, asking a judge to rule on whether the state's new law was legal. ( Ironically, the U.S. Justice Department's civil department is defending against the lawsuit -- and if the feds win, Arizona might just get its first dispensaries. )
Compassion First wants the program implemented as Arizonans intended, and to remove blockades Brewer has thrown in its path. For instance, Arizona requires dispensary owners to have been residents for at least three years.
But the point isn't so much whether or not the company will win its lawsuit or not -- it's that they're fighting back, and they're not alone.
Across the country, advocates are returning fire of their own in the court system. Which means Obama won't be able to do battle by the relatively cheap means of letters and threats. He'll likely end up burning through millions of dollars in litigation -- money he doesn't have.
Taber thinks the president may have underestimated his foe. "The people behind this marijuana movement -- they're committed. They are zealots. And these are smart people -- not stoners saying, 'Hey dude, pass another slice of pizza.'"
Half-Hearted Crackdowns Don't Work
The latest crackdown will be bad for the pot business. No question. But Obama could be doing much, much more.
He could go after patients. Over the summer, a federal judge ruled the DEA could peek at the names on Michigan's patient registry. Because marijuana is illegal under federal law, said Judge Hugh Brenneman Jr., patients can't expect privacy.
The feds could also hit pot-tolerant cities. The law doesn't allow municipal workers to be jailed in such prosecutions, but cities or counties could be heavily fined just for setting up zoning requirements for dispensaries.
There's a huge downside to that, of course. Obama will only appear mean and small for having sickly grandmas arrested. And fining cities just enrages residents picking up the tab -- the very people the president will need a year from now.
All of which leaves him fighting at partial speed. That, in turn, leaves the "zealots" Tyber mentions betting their money and freedom that even if the feds throw the book at some, it won't be them.
Last week, the feds raided several growing operations in California and Oregon, including one in Mendocino County that appeared to be playing by the state rules. But it seems safe to assume that few of the hundreds of other growers in Mendocino County did not uproot their crops in response -- just as the hundreds of dispensaries in California did not immediately close their doors after the feds' ominous warning on October 7.
The industry seems to be practicing a form of civil disobedience. And it has tens of thousands of seriously sick people behind it, who will holler loudly if they're forced back to the black market.
Indeed, there are some signs that Obama's crackdown will be what the SF Weekly's Chris Roberts calls a "Passive Aggressive" strategy. Rather than offend Americans with news footage of police raids, Obama has launched a war of attrition. Landlords, worried the feds will steal their property, will tell dispensaries to move out. Banks won't handle money for pot-themed businesses. Dispensaries will be taxed so heavily they won't be to cover the payroll or pay the electric bill.
Yet it remains to be seen whether federal prosecutors, who undoubtedly have even more serious criminals with which to contend, are willing and able to carry out the threat. When Jack Gillund, Melinda Haag's spokesman, was asked whether her office had the resources to go after every dispensary or grower who doesn't comply with the 45-day deadline, he offered a simple reply: "No comment."
Lauren Horwood, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Benjamin Wagner in California's Eastern District, says Wagner's goal isn't to shut down everything. He's focusing on "large, professional, money-making operations -- the commercial operations."
Horwood also says that it's wrong to call it "Obama's crackdown." She says the California U.S. Attorneys decided to take action on their own because the situation has grown out of control among recreational users. But she acknowledges that they received Obama's blessing.
It's classic political strategy: Send the underlings out to take the heat, while the bosses hide under their skirts.
Either way, the end result casts Obama as even more zealous than George W. Bush. Bush threatened owners of dispensary properties in 2007, but never followed up. Meanwhile, Colorado and other states have seen no similar crackdowns. Only time will tell whether Obama plans to destroy the entire medical marijuana industry, or merely smack California around for a bit.
"I'm willing to give the Obama Administration the benefit of the doubt," says Blair Butterworth, a Democratic consultant in Seattle, where about 100 dispensaries operate. "In California, they may be sitting on uncontrollable drug sales. They need to slap some wrists."
It's easy to pick on California, a state known for its excesses. But "the last thing Obama needs right now is to go to war nationally with the medical marijuana community," Butterworth says.
Leniency for marijuana users, medical or otherwise, continues to be a popular Democratic stance, he says. Butterworth is helping the campaign to put outright legalization on the Washington state ballot next year. He thinks it's got a good chance.
Of course, a successful election could just tick off the feds even more.
A Million Patients Can't Be Wrong
An estimated 1 million people in California have obtained a doctor's recommendation to grow and use marijuana legally.
More than 150,000 medical marijuana patients have registered in Colorado as of July.
Tens of thousands of patients are registered in the other weed-friendly states.
If the feds shut down every dispensary in the country, all these people will still be able to legally possess marijuana -- no matter where they bought it -- under their state laws.
The only difference is they'll be forced to go back to buying their weed from Mexican drug cartels, rather than Americans who provide jobs and pay taxes.
It's akin to the feds saying that Anheuser-Busch can no longer sell beer; they'd prefer that people only buy from Al Capone.
Hey, wait -- didn't something like that happen?
To keep things in perspective
To keep things in perspective
I went to a Dispensory on Polk street, In SanFrancisco, in 1976 or early 1977. It was in a tall multistory Victorian like house. We stood at the 2 way mirror window, and a friend held up credentials. ( A Big Top Imports letterhead signed off by Dennis Peron.) Guards let us in, and we ascended to the second flight, where Dennis greeted us and made sure we were ok.
We were ushered into a room with tapestries on the wall, big pillows on the floor lining the wall, and giant bowls of premium buds from all over the world. Columbian Gold the color of Hay, Cambodian Red, with its blue smoke, and psychodelic effects, Bhuddah sticks, sweet and strong as hell. Big fat joints went around the room non stop. I was seeing colors when I left the place. Dennis told me to come back anytime. He wrote me out a letterhead slip like writing out a perscription. Ive been looking around here for the letterhead slip. Ill snap a pic and show you when I find it.
1976........ You see.... We were on the fight for legalization back then. We said Fuck You DOJ and did as we saw was excercizing our freedom as Free people
To keep things in perspective
I went to a Dispensory on Polk street, In SanFrancisco, in 1976 or early 1977. It was in a tall multistory Victorian like house. We stood at the 2 way mirror window, and a friend held up credentials. ( A Big Top Imports letterhead signed off by Dennis Peron.) Guards let us in, and we ascended to the second flight, where Dennis greeted us and made sure we were ok.
We were ushered into a room with tapestries on the wall, big pillows on the floor lining the wall, and giant bowls of premium buds from all over the world. Columbian Gold the color of Hay, Cambodian Red, with its blue smoke, and psychodelic effects, Bhuddah sticks, sweet and strong as hell. Big fat joints went around the room non stop. I was seeing colors when I left the place. Dennis told me to come back anytime. He wrote me out a letterhead slip like writing out a perscription. Ive been looking around here for the letterhead slip. Ill snap a pic and show you when I find it.
1976........ You see.... We were on the fight for legalization back then. We said Fuck You DOJ and did as we saw was excercizing our freedom as Free people
MarinAlliance
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We encourage all who are able, to make it to the press conference Rick Shaw mentioned, at the W Hotel, Oct 25 at 11:30, 3rd & Mission. Let the President know your opinion. We are the oldest licensed dispensary in the nation and we're currently under fire from both the IRS and DOJ. Needless to say, we feel betrayed by the Obama administration. But, the acceptance of marijuana will eventually prevail. The Gallop Poll 50% number is up from 46% just last year. And the evidence for the medicinal properties of cannabis is now overwhelming. There are reams of peer reviewed studies and articles that support its efficacy. The 70% support for its medical use is helping to seal the deal. The trend is clear; the numbers will only go up. This is how last gasps play out - entrenched government bureaucrats who've had a stake in this battle their entire careers now doubling down in a losing effort. And, no doubt, big Pharma plays a role, as well. It's an uphill battle, but....
Yet.......
And even so..........
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SeaMaiden
Marin Alliance , I accidentally gave you an unhelpful post rating. I don't know how to undo it.
Lil wayne said I was going to say. What the hell is the 215 life?
Lil wayne said I was going to say. What the hell is the 215 life?
Some people with a lot of money are scared the way weeds are goin... I think they feal if weed is legalized hemp will be next, which would fuck over a lot of other industries. Oh yeah, and big pharma.
plus the feds are losing money, they need more slaves in their federal prisons.
plus the feds are losing money, they need more slaves in their federal prisons.
