Cal Elected Officials Blast Federal Attacks

[rives]

see this is what kinda irks me about the whole "fuck these greedy dispensaries!" type comments...

Non profit does NOT mean no money, no salary, none of that. Well established non profit's usually rake in TONS of money.

Quit hating on people doing what you aren't, can't or wont.

Interesting what you pulled out of my post - kindly point out where I stated any of the above things, or where I am hating on people. I do grow, I do provide freely for other people, and I seldom frequent dispensaries. I realize full well what non-profit means, and if you think that most dispensaries meet that model, you are deluding yourself.

 

[Zen Master]

Interesting what you pulled out of my post - kindly point out where I stated any of the above things, or where I am hating on people. I do grow, I do provide freely for other people, and I seldom frequent dispensaries. I realize full well what non-profit means, and if you think that most dispensaries meet that model, you are deluding yourself.

I meant the "quit hatin" part as a general reference to said haters, not specifically to you, sorry if it came off that way.

I know there are many dispensaries taking advantage of the system, however there are many more that are just tryin to get their business going and have it be competitive, ask BHT about his disp offering cheap high quality stuff that other owners would take to their shops and double the price. Just because some aren't the best doesn't mean they are all awful, patronize the places with customer service that you want.

Hell I know of many retail superstores that are fucking terrible and I patronize the local guys instead. Doesn't mean that EVERYONE needs to go where you feel comfortable.


go check out the salaries of OTHER NPO's... Boy Scouts CEO? yeah he makes over a million a year.

Nothing wrong with a salary, but why not compare the salaries to what the local veggie grower makes.

when I can have a pot field the size of the tomato field I pass by on the freeway(acres upon acres)... then I'll be happy with taking that level of pay.

apples and oranges, or tomatoes and cannabis in this instance, two completely separate things.

oh and the guy I buy my plants from at the farmers market (I grow a lot of my own food) he barely makes enough to support his lifestyle that he likes, however he's also not risking federal time in the pen for growing some lavender and (legal) herbs. Nor does he have to deal with thug's that have no problem shooting his employees and robbing them blind of all their inventory.


risk vs reward.... Is the juice worth the squeeze?

 

[rives]

go check out the salaries of OTHER NPO's... Boy Scouts CEO? yeah he makes over a million a year.

apples and oranges, or tomatoes and cannabis in this instance, two completely separate things.

I think that you are the one comparing apples and oranges. You are trying to equate the salaries of someone with the skill-set to run a multi-national corporation and use it to justify the profits of a dispensary owner who, at most, has a handful of stores. Phil Collins' question asked "the doc's make money, pharm companies make money...liqour stores...gun stores...they make money...why cant ganja folks make money?". These are not non-profits. SB420 specifically set up the mmj business as non-profit.

Regarding the Red Cross - my father was a WWII vet who was adamant about never giving the Red Cross a cent. I asked him about it when I was a kid, and he said that the Red Cross wouldn't give a serviceman a cup of coffee without being paid for it.

 

[THE PABLOS]

Its not patients/ users fault that doctors have ruined any integrity for the medical industry that ever existed.

Who's blaming anyone dude? I'm passing on an observation and my latest experience. There are problems....and it is not just the Feds shutting doors. I get negative rep for that? Retarded.

 

[Herborizer]

Had to renew my card a couple weeks ago. Went to the doctors office...was taken into a separate room...where upon...I talked to the doctor himself on Skype for 2 minutes....paid the receptionist $45 and received a new card.

It's hard to take this movement/industry serious. An in house cleaning for the benefit of the movement is needed.

I have called my Primary Care Doctor over the phone and gotten prescriptions giving to me over the phone all my life. For antibiotics, and many other pharma drugs. Why would MMJ be any different?

Not that I think a skype call is a subtitute for personal care of anything. Also, I wouldn't go to a place that performed their services this way (over skype). I would want a real doctor and I would want to talk to that doctor about my condition and my progress.

 

[Herborizer]

Nothing wrong with a salary, but why not compare the salaries to what the local veggie grower makes.

Does the local veggie grower risk the possibility of criminal prosecution?

 

[THE PABLOS]

I have called my Primary Care Doctor over the phone and gotten prescriptions giving to me over the phone all my life. For antibiotics, and many other pharma drugs. Why would MMJ be any different?

Not that I think a skype call is a subtitute for personal care of anything. Also, I wouldn't go to a place that performed their services this way (over skype). I would want a real doctor and I would want to talk to that doctor about my condition and my progress.

These places change doctors on a regular bases. I have no idea which doctor I will see each year. It's a doctor hustle....quick money for little work. If you don't agree....that's fine. I suspect that many of the MMJ doctors are on the hustle.

The 1st MMJ doctor I ever saw....I saw in a coffee shop in downtown SD....yup he was a doctor (infamous one around SoCal and HAW)...yup I got my recommendation.

It's ridiculous that it is a recommendation and not a prescription. It's ridiculous that the doctors flux their prices depending on the action....and how many peeps they can rotate through the doors. Ever sit in the waiting rooms? Ever listen to the conversations?

My condition happens to be looked after quite well in this way...I don't need compassion. All I'm saying is....from the outside looking in...an objective observer could see the racket in the current way MMJ is distributed. Whether I choose to participate in this nonsense...is my choice....my concern over legalities is what it boils down to. One must cover ones ass.

 

[Zen Master]

I think that you are the one comparing apples and oranges. You are trying to equate the salaries of someone with the skill-set to run a multi-national corporation and use it to justify the profits of a dispensary owner who, at most, has a handful of stores.

I'm merely using it as an example that the word "non profit" is thrown around so loosely, and when its being discussed in relation to MMJ, is almost always slanderous towards the dispensary or its operators. I have no idea why people get hung up on the 'non profit' part of prop 215/sb420. Why is that even a factor? because eighths are $40-$60?

would you donate 40+ hours a week at a storefront and countless (literally) hours in the garden, all using materials at your expense, for nothing in return? How does a dispensary owner ever plan on retiring or providing for their family? lets not forget we dont exactly have 401k's here or anything.

And if cannabis was 100% legal, you'd have extremely skilled and educated people working in the agri business to produce the best quality and variety at the cheapest production cost, which translates to lower retail costs to the patient/consumer due to legal competition.

just because its growing pot doesn't mean it doesn't have a lot of skill or science behind the large scale commercial production, its definitely worthy of a good salary for the higher ups. I can't see what the CEO of boy scouts does to earn upwards of 1.5 million a year though... hence that reference to NPO's and the salaries provided to their CEOs.

if a dispensary owner is driving a Ferrari to work, I'm willing to bet the anti dispensary folk would be outraged and think that the savings should instead go to the patient.... You wanna know what kind of car my family practitioner drives? How about my specialist who did some surgery for me, he has a different car for every day of the week if he so wishes, and I'll tell ya right now they ain't '89 Corrolas.

yeah yeah yeah "but they are doctors, not pot farmers".

So what? people wanna drive what they wanna drive, who are you to say what is fair for them to take home in salary? Would you be mad if you saw the farmers market guy in a Lambo?

people get the notion that because dispensaries are supposed to be a "non profit" that they should have really cheap amazing weed and that $50 an eighth for a "sick person" is outrageous. Much less the owner/operator/employees making a decent wage.


I feel for financially struggling sick people, however they don't need to go to that dispensary, grow your own.

If you cannot or will not grow your own (or produce your own vicodin, oxy, prozac, zoloft etc etc etc) than you must pay the market rate for them. I learned that the world isn't fair at a very young age, I dont understand why people feel entitled to so much.

its like getting mad that a prescription costs so much and you need it, thats why insurance helps so much and people can get a $3 scrip down at Wally World. They can only do this because its LEGAL and there is crazy competition in the pharmaceutical business.

dont get mad at dispensary operators or how they conduct business, get mad at the politicians and lawmakers unwilling to do what is right and treat cannabis just like alcohol so it garners healthy competition and a legal tax paying job for millions across the nation.

for profit or not, respectable cannabis businessmen/women shouldn't be prosecuted and I get sick to my stomach when people get on the bandwagon about how "they deserve the federal raids because they have been raping sick patients wallets"

 

[rives]

ZM, the thing that you are missing out on here is the entire foundation for mj in California is mmj, not recreational, and it is based on a non-profit paradigm - you are flogging a non-existent horse here. The only way that the business is supposed to exist is under the rules of 215/420, yet you don't understand why people get hung up on the precepts put forth in those pieces of legislation? It doesn't matter what you think is fair and right, the law defines what is acceptable. It has been twisted into something completely different, and it has been going on for so long that people with your mindset think that this is the way that it should be. Perhaps it is the way that it should be, but unfortunately it doesn't conform to what the law is, and it has brought the inevitable reaction from the man.

Your argument is similar to saying that since you own a Ferrari, and you can afford it, pay insurance on it, and it is capable of handling 180 mph, then you should be allowed to do 180 mph on the freeway. The speed limit is still 65, and your personal circumstances and your car's capabilities do not change that.

*edit*

people get the notion that because dispensaries are supposed to be a "non profit" that they should have really cheap amazing weed and that $50 an eighth for a "sick person" is outrageous. Much less the owner/operator/employees making a decent wage.

I feel for financially struggling sick people, however they don't need to go to that dispensary, grow your own.

I learned that the world isn't fair at a very young age, I dont understand why people feel entitled to so much.

This amazes me - how do you completely skip over the part that the only reason that the dispensaries even exist is to cater to the group that you disparage?

for profit or not, respectable cannabis businessmen/women shouldn't be prosecuted

You do understand that the only reason these people are considered respectable businesspeople is because of the sick folks that they are supposedly catering to, right? Without 215/420, they would be judged something entirely different, as they were 20 years ago.

 

[Zen Master]

ZM, the thing that you are missing out on here is the entire foundation for mj in California is mmj, not recreational, and it is based on a non-profit paradigm

because its medicine it needs to be 'at cost'? with no regards to wages or any of the thousands upon thousands of other expenses? thats news to me. Check out what type of company makes up the vast majority of fortune 500 companies, oh yeah, they are all pharmaceuticals......

so recreational pot can be utilized to generate income, but mmj cant. got it.

The only way that the business is supposed to exist is under the rules of 215/420, yet you don't understand why people get hung up on the precepts put forth in those pieces of legislation? It doesn't matter what you think is fair and right, the law defines what is acceptable.

and by law "non profit" can charge whatever the fuck they want for their service, so long as the 'excess' is put 'back into the business'. Hell they could charge $1000 an eighth, I doubt they'd get much business though... do you think 250k a year salary is too much for a disp owner in the current state of affairs? honestly I dont. Hell the city managers where I'm at make DOUBLE that. A legal job with underlings carrying out orders, no backbreaking work there....

guess what, every single time I go to a dispensary (which is fairly rare seeing as how I'm self sufficient for the most part) there is ALWAYS someone else there happy to dole out a few bucks for some ganja. I see people leaving happier than when they went in, old, young, seen it all. Who are you to judge if a potsmoking skater has pain or any other ailment, I didnt see that 215/420 specified you must be in a wheelchair or on your deathbed to use MMJ.

It has been twisted into something completely different, and it has been going on for so long that people with your mindset think that this is the way that it should be. Perhaps it is the way that it should be, but unfortunately it doesn't conform to what the law is, and it has brought the inevitable reaction from the man.

so whats nirvana then? free weed to all? what 'works' in your picturesque non profit dispensary image?

Your argument is similar to saying that since you own a Ferrari, and you can afford it, pay insurance on it, and it is capable of handling 180 mph, then you should be allowed to do 180 mph on the freeway. The speed limit is still 65, and your personal circumstances and your car's capabilities do not change that.

uhhh, no, not in any way shape or form. first off going 180 on a freeway puts other lives in jeopardy, how does selling cannabis do that?

Oh, and the limit is 65, but I bet you go over that almost daily huh? maybe not 180, perhaps just 80, but illegal none the less right?

See thats why I'm beating this dead horse because non profit means fuckall in regards to prices, wages, and expenditures so long as the excess after its all accounted for is reinvested in the companies services (harborsides massages?) You don't like the salary dispensary123 pays its owner? Go elsewhere. Its still a non profit.

people get the notion that because dispensaries are supposed to be a "non profit" that they should have really cheap amazing weed and that $50 an eighth for a "sick person" is outrageous. Much less the owner/operator/employees making a decent wage.

I feel for financially struggling sick people, however they don't need to go to that dispensary, grow your own.

This amazes me - how do you completely skip over the part that the only reason that the dispensaries even exist is to cater to the group that you disparage?

and there are plenty of sick people that happily pay 40-60 an eighth rather than 40-60 on a bottle of pills. If that is financially not possible, why can't you grow your own? too disabled? too old? guess how much a live in caretaker that feeds applesauce and makes the bed gets paid... nothing in this world is free. the pity stories bring a tear to some peoples eye but does that mean you should benefit from others expenses? So build a family so that when you cannot care for yourself, someone who loves you can.

If you want to be a humanitarian and 'save the world' with your care and love, go for it. Hell there's plenty of trips to third world countries that need help. Do you bash people for not going to Africa and helping with the aids epidemic?

actually I wish more sick people would take advantage of MMJ, my father has a serious medical condition and takes a whole host of different pharmaceuticals with limited benefits, he refuses to take some due to side effects and refuses to try MMJ based upon its legality, I've tried for yearssss to convert him. It sucks seeing someone who you KNOW would benefit from MMJ not have the chance to use it.

however thats different from someone feeling they should get free (or at others expense) weed because they are sick. Do you get free oxycontin when you're sick? what about Advil? does the cashier at the store just let you have it because you've got a cane?

You do understand that the only reason these people are considered respectable businesspeople is because of the sick folks that they are supposedly catering to, right? Without 215/420, they would be judged something entirely different, as they were 20 years ago.

doctors are drug dealers if thats what you're getting at.

cannabis leads to a higher quality of life I've noticed. My life is better with it than without it. If you were to see me on the street you wouldn't assume I need meds (pharm or canna) however I do. I'd be on multiple pills if I went with traditional western medicine but I feel that a homeopathic approach utilizing cannabis works better for me than popping synthetic compressed powder that comes from god knows where. That's my choice, not yours. The price I pay is fair market value because the market makes the price.

So if I patronize a dispensary and pay $50 an eighth as I have many times, does that make me bad or evil for supporting them? does it make them bad/evil for the process and price they go through to supply my cannabis? Should they refuse service because I walked in, not rolled in?

Or should it just be cheaper?


If you've got more time than money, grow your own, more often than not, people have more money than time, hence businesses exist. I can make a bitchin' burger for a buck or two, or go buy one for 5. I shouldn't bitch about the cost if I will not do it myself.

 

[rives]

because its medicine it needs to be 'at cost'? with no regards to wages or any of the thousands upon thousands of other expenses?

No, not because it is medicine. It's because of the legislation that allows them to be in business. I suggest that you check out the wording of both 215 & 420 to see the intent of how these businesses were to operate. I think that it is pretty funny that you can try and justify $60 eighth's when the price that the grower's are realizing out of it has been nearly cut in half. Do you think that the dispensary owner decided to pony up double the rent for their space and doubled their employees wages?

From your arguments, it appears to me that you must have been far too young to have actually voted for 215 and have an understanding of why it came into existence. Sad, really.

 

[Zen Master]

No, not because it is medicine. It's because of the legislation that allows them to be in business. I suggest that you check out the wording of both 215 & 420 to see the intent of how these businesses were to operate. I think that it is pretty funny that you can try and justify $60 eighth's when the price that the grower's are realizing out of it has been nearly cut in half. Do you think that the dispensary owner decided to pony up double the rent for their space and doubled their employees wages?

so what IS the intent? I asked what your "non profit dispensary" nirvana would look like, paint me a picture.


who has to justify the cost of anything? like I said (which you ignored) the dispensary can charge $1000 an eighth, pay the owner 500k a year, pay the employees 100k each, and STILL qualify as a "non profit" under the definition. When did non profit mean that the wholesaler must receive >50% of retail market value and that any goods or services offered must be considered "cheap" by societal norms?


you think that its "fair" to 'just get by' being a disp owner?

what about a decade in a Federal Penitentiary? whats that worth in dollars and cents? should that not factor into the equation whatsoever?

How much would you need to be paid to have the cops kick your door down, wake up your kids, shoot your dog, seize your house/cars/accounts, and drag you off to jail with all your neighbors watching? I'd be very interested to hear how much cash you'd need to be paid to cover that.... Could you even come up with a figure? I don't think you will...

"oh but that shouldn't be a factor in the cost of MMJ" yeah you'd be right if you were thinking that, however it is a very real factor and choosing to ignore it would just show ignorance to the actual laws, not just the state laws you choose to obey. (you do go 80 on the freeway huh? I knew it)

how much do you think a prescription would cost if your doctor, pharmacist, and the actual producer of the drug (and anyone working for any of the above) were all risking their necks similar to dispensary owners? $3 at wally world? get real.

like my initial post stated, if you want dirt cheap herb, it needs to be legalized and treated like any other commodity. Until there is a LEGAL industry, there are risks that need to be accounted for, literally. If you were to get locked up for a decade, how do your kids eat at night, or have the opportunity to afford a good college?

as it stands right now, there are lines of people willing to pay $50 an eighth. Would coca cola sell a can of coke for $10 if they could get away with it? hell yes they would, however due to LEGAL competition, that's not realistic. Supply vs demand, its quite simple. There are a shitload of growers and a shitload of patients willing to pay, its not like we're building rocketships here or anything.

the 'non profit' part has absolutely nothing to do with how much an eighth costs, who gets how much of that pie, or how much any one individual makes as pay. Why do you think that? Because non means 'no' and profit means 'proceeds'? All that non profit means is that after expenses, there isn't a bank account with a constantly growing balance that is the property of the company, such as Apples >80 Billion cash reserves, billion with a B.

if you can dig up some stories of dispensary busts where they caught em with millions in cash, I'm all ears. Every time I read one (which is fairly frequent, and seems to be more prevalent as of late) they maybe have a few hundred grand, hardly the 'wallet rapers' people purport them to be.


If you wanna open a dispensary and offer $5 eighths, lemme know and I'll be the first to sign up. I'll help put the word out. It should be easy, you've got tons of growers, tons of patients, and no risk right? just sunshine smiles and sinsemilla.

I love these rosy glasses.

 

[rives]

Obviously you still haven't checked the verbage in 215/420. In this case, non-profit means exactly that. 420 provides for caregivers to be reimbursed for their expenses - profit doesn't enter the equation. You continue to try and justify them charging black-market rates because of the fall that they may take, but then jump to how they should be treated as any other legal business. Cake and eat it too?

 

[PoopyTeaBags]

No, not because it is medicine. It's because of the legislation that allows them to be in business. I suggest that you check out the wording of both 215 & 420 to see the intent of how these businesses were to operate. I think that it is pretty funny that you can try and justify $60 eighth's when the price that the grower's are realizing out of it has been nearly cut in half. Do you think that the dispensary owner decided to pony up double the rent for their space and doubled their employees wages?

From your arguments, it appears to me that you must have been far too young to have actually voted for 215 and have an understanding of why it came into existence. Sad, really.

i can say something if cali is how the UFCW union represented it in michigan they told us they "owned" cali and nothing gets done unless they approve or say so.

one of the thing in there selling speach was you can charge more now becuase its unionized and we have to pay for higher wages, proper packaging and shipping and all this other shit. (he put it way more elequently and i would say he made alot more sense then how i put it, regardless how it sounds i was for it.)

one of the major points was trying to get back to single family incomes that can support a whole family which i am 100% for. This land of 10$ an hour jobs is just slavery in a different form..

if its what he says then its because the union and if michigan joined itd be the same way here.... we have yet to jump on board even though it may be the best idea to save our laws.....

 

[Zen Master]

Obviously you still haven't checked the verbage in 215/420. In this case, non-profit means exactly that. 420 provides for caregivers to be reimbursed for their expenses - profit doesn't enter the equation. You continue to try and justify them charging black-market rates because of the fall that they may take, but then jump to how they should be treated as any other legal business. Cake and eat it too?

lol, do you know what a "non profit" is? because you keep rehashing it and I dont think you're quite clear on it. The business model of a NPO doesnt mean jack fuckin diddly in regards to 'caregivers' or 'reimbursement' or 'patients', its a business model, plain and simple. It doesn't mean that it needs to be a beneficial or "low income" business by any means, get your head out of the sand and read up.

I'm saying because of the legality, that is a factor in price, should it not be? Why do you think RJ Reynolds and Marlboro haven't gotten into the canna business? hint: because its illegal federally.

I'm still waiting on your picture perfect description of your vision of a "non profit" dispensary.

oh and how much 10 years of your life is worth... preferably in USD since thats where we are after all...

the rates are what they are because the market sets the price, if there is a surplus of herb and no buyers, bet your ass the price will fall. There IS a surplus of herb, and there is a buyer that is HAPPY to pay $50 an eighth for their "legal" MMJ.


when you can quit cherry picking my rebuttals and actually answer a direct question, I'll be satisfied.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

states rights are being trampled on right now as much as before the civil war. the country is in unrest. only 8% of Americans trust the government. That is a record low. 45 million people are living in poverty. hundreds of thousands have taken to the streets. Now states are standing up to the federal government.

eventually this is going to get ugly. I will be making my way to the woods at that point.

 

[kmk420kali]

No, not because it is medicine. It's because of the legislation that allows them to be in business. I suggest that you check out the wording of both 215 & 420 to see the intent of how these businesses were to operate. I think that it is pretty funny that you can try and justify $60 eighth's when the price that the grower's are realizing out of it has been nearly cut in half.

Sorry bro, but I just had to comment here--
215 doesn't say anything about it....and 420 says the following...

(c) A primary caregiver who receives compensation for actual expenses, including reasonable compensation incurred for services provided to an eligible qualified patient or person with an identification card to enable that person to use marijuana under this article, or for payment for out-of-pocket expenses incurred in providing those services, or both, shall not, on the sole basis of that fact, be subject to prosecution or punishment under Section 11359 or 11360.

(d) For the purposes of this section, "excessive profits" means the receipt of consideration of a value substantially higher than fair market value.

Fair Market Value, is not what they pay Wholesale...it is what ppl are paying Retail--
The first time the words "Non Profit" were used, were not in any Legislation...but in the AG Guidelines...which are only suggestions, not Law--
Not trying to fuck with ya bro....just keeping it real--

 

[kmk420kali]

i can say something if cali is how the UFCW union represented it in michigan they told us they "owned" cali and nothing gets done unless they approve or say so.

That is not true, at least not with ours, or any that I know of personally-- I think you just had a very zealous Salesman--

 

[rives]

Sorry bro, but I just had to comment here--
215 doesn't say anything about it....and 420 says the following...



Fair Market Value, is not what they pay Wholesale...it is what ppl are paying Retail--
The first time the words "Non Profit" were used, were not in any Legislation...but in the AG Guidelines...which are only suggestions, not Law--
Not trying to fuck with ya bro....just keeping it real--

No problem at all, KMK - that is exactly the point that I have been trying to make here. The legislation doesn't provide for "profit" - it provides for reimbursement of expenses and a reasonable level of compensation for your time. In my view, it is intended as a true non-profit model, not the "NPO" bullshit as defined by a 401C3 or 501C3, which is what ZM keeps espousing.

KMK, the line that you quoted regarding excessive profits doesn't refer to caregiver compensation (section 11362.765), but rather it very specifically refers to 11366.5, which establishes punishment levels for the business operator. In fact, section A of 11362.765 states "However, nothing in this section shall authorize the individual to smoke or otherwise consume marijuana unless otherwise authorized by this article, nor shall anything in this section authorize any individual or group to cultivate or distribute marijuana for profit." (emphasis is mine). Now, I am not a lawyer and you have lot's more experience at the sharp end of this issue, but the intent seems pretty clear to me.

ZM, I'm not sure which of your many questions you would like answered. As far as my ideal dispensary model goes, I think that there should be a complete overhaul of the laws regarding mj, and mmj should be handled as it was originally intended by California voters. True medical usage, which is probably 5% or less of the total market, should be provided for at cost. This would include out-of-pocket expenses and true overhead. The other 95% of usage, which is recreational or at best "health beneficial", would be charged whatever the market would bear. Of course, this would put pressure on the medical community to do realistic assessments rather than the rec mills that currently exist.

The following link is to the text of SB420 -
http://www.potdoc.com/bill_sb_420.html

*edit* ZM, in answer to another of your questions, I very rarely to 80 anymore unless it is inadvertently. Not because I have any particular interest in complying with traffic laws, but I live way back in the sticks and the roads simply aren't made for it.

 

[Zen Master]

Doctors cannot 'prescribe' cannabis because of the federal position. So with a complete overhaul of legislation the 'non profit' could potentially fit your dream. Now I get it.

my last comment on this (probably ) is that since you stick to "reimbursement" for out of pocket expenses, anything past that (and a miniscule paycheck to get from day to day I presume?) is "profit" in your mind. That notion is wrong.

the definition of "profit" as far as NPO's are concerned is a liberal term that can be twisted any which way with some creative accounting, believe me its not just canna farmers/disp owners that do this.

do you spend $3000+ to produce a pound? if so then theres all your waste in the current dispensary model you so despise. I can get a pound out of a couple hundred in electricity and less than a hundred in nutes, on top of that its just time, knowledge and effort. If you can handle the nerves that is.

soooo if you want it "at cost" how can you justify that growers are wholesaling for JUST their out of pocket expenses? Its still tremendously over the "cost of production" unless you are literally almost giving it away. Last I checked pulling 10k+ a month out of a small house isn't that difficult, so long as you aren't terrible at growing.

when you drive through Iowa and see ganja for miles in every direction instead of corn, then you might finally get to see your dream come true. I wish that was a reality, however it is not and unfortunately it looks pretty far off.

felonies ain't free, never have been. I take it you've never been locked up.