Bush Weed Seeds

[herbgreen]

Here's a Mullumbimby I just ran across

Mullumbimby Two Step....by Blackbird preservation

From the description....

"Mullumbimby Madness x (Hmong Thai x Vietnamese Black)....

.... a twice backcrossed version of Mullumbimby Madness originally worked by Kangativa of IcMag fame."

https://dagga.garden/product/blackbi...tnamese-black/

 

[willydread]

Not sure if you are deliberately trying to be rude? I am only passing on experiences that I've had, and am getting sick of you continually having a go at me. Yes I did grow a hashplant, and I would bet I'm not the only one. We had hash here from when I began smoking in 1977, and other Indica's. I saw them, grew them, saw others grow them, and knew people who traveled to hash producing regions and bought seeds back. Sativa's ruled of course but to say there were no indica's is simply wrong.

Whether you worked with stable lines or not, is irrelevant to any MM discussion. Your knowledge comes from having a friend in Mullumbimby so is not first hand, so really you have no idea and are only going on what you have been told by others.

I know people who live in South India, near Goa, and grow plants that are a mix of Nepalese and various Indian genetics collected in the last 30/40 years, for us fanatics they are different lines, but for many others it is just weed, good weed, nothing more ....

 

[@hempy]

after talking extensively with dj9 about nevils last projects MM did not end up being what he was looking for grail wise. it had many positive characteristics but it overpowered the haze too much it changed the profile and was very dominant in outcrosses. the original goal of grail project was to find a sativa that was haze like and could open up the line without changing what nevil loved in traits- turpentine astringent liver leather old thai smells and tastes. he felt his 97 nh pairing was the pinnacle of his haze breeding. since he did not have a female to work with he had to wrap the males around nl5, and he lost haze A early which meant he had to depend on haze C. the cat piss diesel amonia looks came out when haze c was over relied on which was the big thing nev wanted to avoid. unfortunatly the MM had a menthol quality nev did not care for and it overshadowed the haze a traits he loved. however what he did with the outback haze is pretty genious. a term nev used in this process was ghost genes. others call it the cold side of the pedigree. these are genes existent in the original parental lines which were not selected for . but if both sides of a cross have the parent in it, reversing female to male and male to female you sandwich the outcross in the middle. completely opens the line back up. and thats what he did with hempys thai. 2 selections nh 21 and 36. it teased out all these traits from the female side of pedigree which were locked away due to both 69 haze being males. dj explains it alot better.

Let me be the first to tell you Piff Nevil highly valued Kangas MM and his Oaxaca my Thai and the Nevile's Haze they were his favored lines out of all he tried and tested.

The person who first worked with Nevil in the Med company then lived and looked after Nevil who is a member of this forum will tell you the same thing.

The OutBack haze is Thia /NH21/NH36 by memory.

What Nevil suggested was to cross a NH male to the Thai and the reasoning behind that was all to do with the males ancestral memory in short to bring out the Haze ancestral plants. I posted about this and so has Nevil. Nevil had suggested a 3 point plan.

Dec 21, 2010

• #966

I would put MM in the catagory of Hazes. I hear that Joe Pietri was saying that my Haze came from Australia. After smoking the MM, it's easy to see how he came to that conclusion. But he is wrong. That's what's so wonderful, not Joe being wrong, he's wrong a lot. I mean two separate Haze lines.
Just the other day, I was visualising a separate Thai Haze line, unrelated to Haze A or C, growing in Australia somewhere, which would be the perfect mate for the NH. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people put their energy behind the vision and "Hey Presto", the universe filled the vacuum created by desire and clarity of vision. The Universe, in keeping with it's mandate to be a giant wish fulfilment machine asked, "Are you sure you didn't mean Oaxacan X MM?". The bag with the OxMM actually had a question mark on it, just in case I'd miss the obvious.
Now you can see it as coincidence, I see it as a straight forward demonstration of metaphysical mechanics. It's all clear to me now, but I have been smoking M. Madness.
N.

Jan 16, 2011

• #993

The Y chromosome is handed down from father to son to grand son etc. There is only one sire line.
N.

 

[@hempy]

Not sure if you are deliberately trying to be rude? I am only passing on experiences that I've had, and am getting sick of you continually having a go at me. Yes I did grow a hashplant, and I would bet I'm not the only one. We had hash here from when I began smoking in 1977, and other Indica's. I saw them, grew them, saw others grow them, and knew people who traveled to hash producing regions and bought seeds back. Sativa's ruled of course but to say there were no indica's is simply wrong.

Whether you worked with stable lines or not, is irrelevant to any MM discussion. Your knowledge comes from having a friend in Mullumbimby so is not first hand, so really you have no idea and are only going on what you have been told by others.

All my genetics apart from the Dutch lines are true breeding.

In my part of the world we only had and grew sativas and like i said when we did finally see indicas and had accesses to them not one was in the same grade to the sativas we were growing so why would we grow inferior genetics.

No my knowledge of the MM dose not come from a single friend i had at lest 5 move up there and live with the hippies and they grew the MM and surf all they did until 84/85 from 78. I was very close with 3 of them but knew all well.

 

[herbgreen]

I have never seen an issue with seed made out door and grown indoors or seed made indoors and then grown out doors.

Nevil made seed both indoors and out.

Maybe its the selection then........but seems to be a thing

Its also just my theory..It can be worked around

A plan is needed when you know its a probable ...problem

If you know what I'm saying......

 

[@hempy]

Maybe its the selection then........but seems to be a thing

Its also just my theory..It can be worked around

A plan is needed when you know its a probable ...problem

If you know what I'm saying......

I have not noticed it my self i made plenty of seed out doors i then grew indoors and grew plenty of seed friends made out in also.

I have also made lots of seed indoors that were grown out doors again no issues.

For a long time most if not all retail seed was made indoors.

 

[Donald Mallard]

All we grew was stable true breeding lines so like i said we never saw indicas until the mid to late 80s and they were not even close to the quality of the sativas we were growing when we did see them.

You found a seed in hash good for you.

MM was a hybrid still is and the MM i grew from Kanga is far from unstable.

2 different sides to Kangas MM i found

when you say "we"
are you talking for all of australia hempy ,
because you know its a big place with lots of people who had all sorts of contacts ,
likely you didnt know them all , or see all they saw ,
so could you in future say "i" instead of making out like your talking as though the experience you had was country wide or like your the spokesman for the whole country ,
because it wasnt and you are not ,, and other people saw other things that you didnt ,
and had contacts you didnt have ....

 

[@hempy]

when you say "we"
are you talking for all of australia hempy ,
because you know its a big place with lots of people who had all sorts of contacts ,
likely you didnt know them all , or see all they saw ,
so could you in future say "i" instead of making out like your talking as though the experience you had was country wide or like your the spokesman for the whole country ,
because it wasnt and you are not ,, and other people saw other things that you didnt ,
and had contacts you didnt have ....

It is a big place Donald and yet you always seam to be an authority on what i did in the past and you clearly dont so give it a rest .

I only share and post about my experiences and that of people i know and here you are claiming to know more than the people that were there we have pages of this type of responses from you.

So do me a favor follow your own advice.

We as in me and all the people i knew and came in contact with yes we.

 

[Donald Mallard]

hahah , what ever man ,
you dont know even a small % of what went on with others ,
but make out your some kind of authority on Australian canna lore ,
then when someone pulls you up about it , you deflect and try to blame them ,

your "we' makes u sound like you think your some type of canna royalty ,
well i guess you did know the supposed king of cannabis , maybe you think it rubbed off ... lol ...

where i lived in the early 80s (in melbourne) we grew sativas , yes ,
but also hybrids , and indicas were also around here and there ,
when i think back on some of the plants and how they behaved ,, they were obviously hybrids ,
we just didnt have a classification or the sort of info we have now to draw on to know exactly what we had ...

 

[@hempy]

hahah , what ever man ,
you dont know even a small % of what went on with others ,
but make out your some kind of authority on Australian canna lore ,
then when someone pulls you up about it , you deflect and try to blame them ,

your "we' makes u sound like you think your some type of canna royalty ,
well i guess you did know the supposed king of cannabis , maybe you think it rubbed off ... lol ...

where i lived in the early 80s (in melbourne) we grew sativas , yes ,
but also hybrids , and indicas were also around here and there ,
when i think back on some of the plants and how they behaved ,, they were obviously hybrids ,
we just didnt have a classification or the sort of info we have now to draw on to know exactly what we had ...

Donald give it a rest mate and i honestly dont care what you think.

You have no idea who i grew up with or who i know and what most including me did or do.

All you seam to do if chase me around the forum trying to discredit me and my credibility and to be honest it makes you look foolish not me.

You have an over inflated ego and i honestly think you also have a narcissistic personality.

Again i can only share my experiences or those of the people i know or knew that is it full stop.

If that bothers you then that is your problem .

Now your being ignored only way to deal with you.

 

[Donald Mallard]

ahh ,
so you give your 2 bobs worth and make out your speaking for the whole country ,
you correct folks who tell you they saw different from you , like your the only guy who can have an opinion ,
and you saw it all so how can they have seen something different,
tell me im self absorbed , when its obvious its you ,
then after saying all that , you say your ignoring me ,
so why not do that from the start mate ,

im not following you , i posted on this thread well before you even arrived on icmag ,
and just for the record , you have no credibility ,
your just a poser ....
bugger off back to mns hempy ...
go argue with those folks and wave your banner over there ,
ill speak for the whole site and say we have had enough of your posting style here ,
its aggressive , rude, spelt terribly and always self serving ...

 

[Fitzera]

I've been smoking OJD's outback haze x (NH21xMML) and after just a couple weeks cure this shit is unreal. Strong lemon/pine aroma, the dry toke on a joint is intoxicating. Super euphoric and long-lasting high. Primo herb. If you like haze you should treat yourself.

I've just re went through your log of these and the others...I think I'm going to have to holler at OJD later this year and make another order. Specifically the NH18 x MM x NH21 x MML, ojd what was the difference between the phenos of NH18 x MM you used?

 

[funkyhorse]

So far I have 4 girls NH21xMM and these 3 boys from Bush weed seed. I think I have another boy coming
These 2 boys are 1,8 meters tall in a 1,3 liter pot. If I uppot them they will brake the roof. They have a total of 8 internodes

This third boy is shorter also in 1,3 liter pot. Lets see how he develops

So this MM version used in the original seedmaking should be called Phoenix MM.
I am growing at the moment PHL which has a similar structure to these plants and a cross of it as well, which is very PHL dominant and after seeing this, I am inferring, maybe wrongly, that a plant with a giant structure like these boys will be dominant in any cross with another plant except if it is a strain with the same structure

Are there pictures of full plants structure grown from the original F1 seed of NH21xMM?

 

[Piff_cat]

Let me be the first to tell you Piff Nevil highly valued Kangas MM and his Oaxaca my Thai and the Nevile's Haze they were his favored lines out of all he tried and tested.

The person who first worked with Nevil in the Med company then lived and looked after Nevil who is a member of this forum will tell you the same thing.

The OutBack haze is Thia /NH21/NH36 by memory.

What Nevil suggested was to cross a NH male to the Thai and the reasoning behind that was all to do with the males ancestral memory in short to bring out the Haze ancestral plants. I posted about this and so has Nevil. Nevil had suggested a 3 point plan.

i fully understand the outcross theory, the mullum just wasnt the best outcross. never said there was anything wrong with it and i never even mentioned oaxacan. a strain can be great like the muulum but not be best candidate for the outcross back cross treatment. and im sure its great in f1 i have tons of respect for kanga this has nothing to do with that. but you parade around here with your screenshots and show no growth or understanding. like a little kid who sticks his fingers in his ears having a tantrum. challenging every discovery d and i made and the way you act about your lines is played out.let go of that strain hoarder shit to make the world a better place. you know how great nevs lines and your thais are whhy not release them/? the answer is simple you want to feel superior. theres nothing wrong with learning something new to improve your skill set. end of the day lines will have cannabinoid and terpene synthases in their genes which clash. normaly nh is very dominant but in this csae mullum was more so. this is because of how many generations it had been stabilized and its original progenitor be it png, thai etc. dj9 is one of small number of pppl on planet who observed the original seeds so he can offer insight most cant. too bad trolls had to chase him off and people snitch on his instagram because they dont want the coemption. instead we should all work together and breed new haze lines

>	Nov 13, 2021, 3:51 PM
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Thats very cool man. Too bad he didnt get the real Haze
phenos like i got. Just the quantum luck of the draw i guess haha.
This is a very important thread and hardly anyone is even watching. Bizarre
No i didnt see the pure 23 . So i cant give much insight into that one
I know the 21 of course which we still have. Best Haze Nevil ever found.
Straight up Dr, Pepper Haze.
#4 was very good as well. Hazey to the max. 34 as well. I have the first fem crosses Nevil made of those.
18 x 4 36.x 21 and a few more. Then Nevil started the out and back with the Mullums.
Mullum is very dominant though and he didnt really like it although thats the one he sent to people in Europe which
your seeing pop up now.
But onec he got the right Tia female that was it. 2 Hazers and a Thai was and is the formula that worked.
As you said ,it was a very smart move. He knew invoking old Thai ghost genes with the old Haze ghost gene could keep things clean and pure which it did.
Like i wrote, Nevil was very inspired by following the sire lines in race horse breeding.

 

[@hempy]

i fully understand the outcross theory, the mullum just wasnt the best outcross. never said there was anything wrong with it and i never even mentioned oaxacan. a strain can be great like the muulum but not be best candidate for the outcross back cross treatment. and im sure its great in f1 i have tons of respect for kanga this has nothing to do with that. but you parade around here with your screenshots and show no growth or understanding. like a little kid who sticks his fingers in his ears having a tantrum. challenging every discovery d and i made and the way you act about your lines is played out.let go of that strain hoarder shit to make the world a better place. you know how great nevs lines and your thais are whhy not release them/? the answer is simple you want to feel superior. theres nothing wrong with learning something new to improve your skill set. end of the day lines will have cannabinoid and terpene synthases in their genes which clash. normaly nh is very dominant but in this csae mullum was more so. this is because of how many generations it had been stabilized and its original progenitor be it png, thai etc. dj9 is one of small number of pppl on planet who observed the original seeds so he can offer insight most cant. too bad trolls had to chase him off and people snitch on his instagram because they dont want the coemption. instead we should all work together and breed new haze lines

I made a few discovery's of my own Piff one being your not a nice person or smart one.

You make claims that are not true then you get all personal and argumentative when your corrected that is the behavior of a child.

My friendship with Nevil seams to bother you and others well i suggest you all build a bridge and get over it.

I spent years talking to Nevil daily many of those conversations was on Haze and breeding.

How many conversations did you have with Nevil Piff ?

My Advice is suck your head in Piff.

This is What Nevil posted move on.

Jan 16, 2011

• #993

The Y chromosome is handed down from father to son to grand son etc. There is only one sire line.
N.

Dec 21, 2010

• #966

I would put MM in the catagory of Hazes. I hear that Joe Pietri was saying that my Haze came from Australia. After smoking the MM, it's easy to see how he came to that conclusion. But he is wrong. That's what's so wonderful, not Joe being wrong, he's wrong a lot. I mean two separate Haze lines.
Just the other day, I was visualising a separate Thai Haze line, unrelated to Haze A or C, growing in Australia somewhere, which would be the perfect mate for the NH. Hundreds, maybe thousands of people put their energy behind the vision and "Hey Presto", the universe filled the vacuum created by desire and clarity of vision. The Universe, in keeping with it's mandate to be a giant wish fulfilment machine asked, "Are you sure you didn't mean Oaxacan X MM?". The bag with the OxMM actually had a question mark on it, just in case I'd miss the obvious.
Now you can see it as coincidence, I see it as a straight forward demonstration of metaphysical mechanics. It's all clear to me now, but I have been smoking M. Madness.
N.

 

[@hempy]

But onec he got the right Tia female that was it. 2 Hazers and a Thai was and is the formula that worked.
As you said ,it was a very smart move. He knew invoking old Thai ghost genes with the old Haze ghost gene could keep things clean and pure which it did.
Like i wrote, Nevil was very inspired by following the sire lines in race horse breeding.

Who posted that Piff ?

The right Thia female your are kidding me right ?

Nevil used the only Thia female he found in the small number of seed i past on to him (10 seed ) hows them apples for you PIFF.

I even have a picture of it that Nevil had sent me.

Nevil only ever used that one female and to my understanding never germinated any more of the pure Thia seed he had made in small numbers he just stored them as back up as he had clones of the parents.

I only had a small number left to share and had promised a mates uncle the seed so i split the seed and gave Nevil half him half.

I went and made fresh seed after that and stored them and shared some more.

 

[Piff_cat]

like i said hempy ive been discussing haze and nevils work with dj9 for almost a year. actively researching multiple topics and strategies for improvement. that post is directly from him. so if you want to pick it apart and do your normal thing go ahead. im sure you kno better then him right??? came on this thread because i had knowledge to share not to play jeopardy with you. by the way you have alot to add to this project and your more then welcome to help. nothing wrong with healthy debate but this is getting ridiculous.

 

[@hempy]

like i said hempy ive been discussing haze and nevils work with dj9 for almost a year. actively researching multiple topics and strategies for improvement. that post is directly from him. so if you want to pick it apart and do your normal thing go ahead. im sure you kno better then him right??? came on this thread because i had knowledge to share not to play jeopardy with you. by the way you have alot to add to this project and your more then welcome to help. nothing wrong with healthy debate but this is getting ridiculous.

Again with the insults Piff how old are you ?

Nevil like it or not left a lot of his methods and thinking in regards to breeding and Haze for people to read over at MrNice.

I know Dj9 i also use to talk to him to but what has that got to do with what Nevil did or thought about Haze or breeding go find the info Nevil posted your self its there for all to see.

I quoted Nevil directly and you loos your shit why ?

Nevil reached out to me and made contact many years ago and we became close friends we discussed Haze breeding and more and yet if i try to share that info people like you attack me why is that.

I think your ego is in over drive Piff.

Why would i contribute to a project people like you are part of ?

 

[Donald Mallard]

like i said hempy ive been discussing haze and nevils work with dj9 for almost a year. actively researching multiple topics and strategies for improvement. that post is directly from him. so if you want to pick it apart and do your normal thing go ahead. im sure you kno better then him right??? came on this thread because i had knowledge to share not to play jeopardy with you. by the way you have alot to add to this project and your more then welcome to help. nothing wrong with healthy debate but this is getting ridiculous.

he always knows better piff cat,
because hempy is nevils mate who talked to him every day for years ,
and we will all hear about that until he dies i think ,
when your life is pathetic , and your achievements are not even worth mentioning ,
you hang on to what ever you have to make yourself feel worthy in some way ,
even if its through what others have done , but you knew them , or know them,

yes he could share his stuff to others ,
but there is a risk they may think it not as grand as he does himself ,
or as good as nevil once said,
so its best to hang onto those things and parade them around than to share them ...

your 100 % correct that adding something positive , or sharing something ,
would be much better than self promotion ,
but some folks dont understand that and go as they go ,
and get more bitter as the years roll on sadly ...

 

[@hempy]

he always knows better piff cat,
because hempy is nevils mate who talked to him every day for years ,
and we will all hear about that until he dies i think ,
when your life is pathetic , and your achievements are not even worth mentioning ,
you hang on to what ever you have to make yourself feel worthy in some way ,
even if its through what others have done , but you knew them , or know them,

yes he could share his stuff to others ,
but there is a risk they may think it not as grand as he does himself ,
or as good as nevil once said,
so its best to hang onto those things and parade them around than to share them ...

your 100 % correct that adding something positive , or sharing something ,
would be much better than self promotion ,
but some folks dont understand that and go as they go ,
and get more bitter as the years roll on sadly ...

You will never get over the fact Nevil rejecting your weed will you lol.

How is attacking members of this forum you clearly dont like a positive ?

Why would i share my genetics with people like you dream on.