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I havent seen one post here saying that any one of us dislikes you.
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Lol I edited that statement really quickly and it was in bad taste. I really honestly think you would feel better sharing the love
Let’s be honest now... you were never going to share. Just saying.. idk you know it too.
I shouldn’t have jumped into this fire pit.
You should have never of posted it full stop.
Vaping some oss x mm this morning while listening to reggae and feeling really bright and clean headed and euphoric. Smells of lemon lime mint really really like these terps buzz, I wouldn’t have kept a cutting that grows so many male flowers at times if not.
Would like to try and clean it up somehow.
tastes just like smells lemon lime with a little mint.
Would like to try and clean it up somehow.
tastes just like smells lemon lime with a little mint.
funkyhorse
Well-known member
It was very interesting and helpful to read part of the Kangativa thread, I arrived until the part where they say Mullum needs a dry finnish, it broke my heart
This is a normal dry dawn here at wetlands on autumm
Well, they crossed the Mullum to whatever they had, including NL5xHz as Maha Kala said
They selected the NH21 because it was the most sativa of the Nevil Hazes
I think they consider the Mullum as grail. I mean, it is a plant growing up to 6 mts tall, producing up to 5 pounds of weed which is more than 2 kgs!! And the high they say is like Haze. For commercial growers it is certainly grail
But the problem or the question I ask myself is what they do consider haze?
Because for instance, in the Super Laos x Haze cross they did, what they say they crossed the Laos to is a plant that they think smokes like haze and looks like haze but it is not a pedigree plant
And there are so many different things being called haze that cant be serious to call anything after what you think it smokes or looks like
Wally, my home made cross of SuperLaos x (Seedsman Hz x Ohz90) or the (Ohz90 x Seedsman Hz) males has more pedigree than theirs and it is really shocking to me that fact. You should make this interesting cross properly done, nobody better qualified than yourself
So what is a grail plant? Grail will be different if you are breeder,commercial grower, customer or home grower
In the case of the Mullum, it seems it is grail for both commercial growers and for the customers buying decent buds with decent 2 hour high or that is what I would expect after reading that Kangativa thread
If the NH21 is taming the monster size of MM and also helping for a wet grow and finnish, then I dont know if it might make sense the grail thing for me but it would be certainly an improvement at least for my environment
The NH21xMM have sexed during first week of march. All my other plants carrying thai blood are not sexed yet and I expect them to sex after equinox in 2 more weeks
A question for you guys who grew the MM outdoors. When does the MM sex outdoors in Australia? Also first week of march or by solstice?
So if MM is sexing around this time of the year, then it has adapted to their southern hemisphere location. After more than 20 generations away from Thailand, it should be considered aussie heirloom but not Thai anymore.
I have 4 girls, 2 of them are the only branchy ones I have which I think leans to NH and has a little thinner leaf and a lot more branching than the middle girl in the picture which has a little bigger size leaf.
This was last day for the boys outdoors. I expect them to grow pistils indoors in a couple of weeks like the Zamal males. I believe the NH21 x MM girls will remain sexually stable all the way
The tallest boy sexed at 1,8 meters height on a 1,3 liter pot. The tall plants on the back with very long internodes like the MM are Cambodians from MadMac. I made the mistake to put the cambodians to sex in 5 liter pots. By the time they sex they are all well over 2 meters and it is not easy to handle at all for moving or uppotting in case of the girls
I have one more strain with very long internodes like the MM also sexing outdoors. I am thinking on outcrossing long internode x long internode strain
Purple Highland Laos
Have a nice peaceful and healthy day
This is a normal dry dawn here at wetlands on autumm
Well, they crossed the Mullum to whatever they had, including NL5xHz as Maha Kala said
They selected the NH21 because it was the most sativa of the Nevil Hazes
I think they consider the Mullum as grail. I mean, it is a plant growing up to 6 mts tall, producing up to 5 pounds of weed which is more than 2 kgs!! And the high they say is like Haze. For commercial growers it is certainly grail
But the problem or the question I ask myself is what they do consider haze?
Because for instance, in the Super Laos x Haze cross they did, what they say they crossed the Laos to is a plant that they think smokes like haze and looks like haze but it is not a pedigree plant
And there are so many different things being called haze that cant be serious to call anything after what you think it smokes or looks like
Wally, my home made cross of SuperLaos x (Seedsman Hz x Ohz90) or the (Ohz90 x Seedsman Hz) males has more pedigree than theirs and it is really shocking to me that fact. You should make this interesting cross properly done, nobody better qualified than yourself
So what is a grail plant? Grail will be different if you are breeder,commercial grower, customer or home grower
In the case of the Mullum, it seems it is grail for both commercial growers and for the customers buying decent buds with decent 2 hour high or that is what I would expect after reading that Kangativa thread
If the NH21 is taming the monster size of MM and also helping for a wet grow and finnish, then I dont know if it might make sense the grail thing for me but it would be certainly an improvement at least for my environment
The NH21xMM have sexed during first week of march. All my other plants carrying thai blood are not sexed yet and I expect them to sex after equinox in 2 more weeks
A question for you guys who grew the MM outdoors. When does the MM sex outdoors in Australia? Also first week of march or by solstice?
So if MM is sexing around this time of the year, then it has adapted to their southern hemisphere location. After more than 20 generations away from Thailand, it should be considered aussie heirloom but not Thai anymore.
I have 4 girls, 2 of them are the only branchy ones I have which I think leans to NH and has a little thinner leaf and a lot more branching than the middle girl in the picture which has a little bigger size leaf.
This was last day for the boys outdoors. I expect them to grow pistils indoors in a couple of weeks like the Zamal males. I believe the NH21 x MM girls will remain sexually stable all the way
The tallest boy sexed at 1,8 meters height on a 1,3 liter pot. The tall plants on the back with very long internodes like the MM are Cambodians from MadMac. I made the mistake to put the cambodians to sex in 5 liter pots. By the time they sex they are all well over 2 meters and it is not easy to handle at all for moving or uppotting in case of the girls
I have one more strain with very long internodes like the MM also sexing outdoors. I am thinking on outcrossing long internode x long internode strain
Purple Highland Laos
Have a nice peaceful and healthy day
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Funkyhorse your growing knock off seeds that Nevil never made but others made that have shown to be very different to those Nevil him self made and past onto growers who grew them out and documented the grows OJD is just one.
Nevils Haze is far from a tame line and your not growing MM are you what your growing is a knock off hybrid of MM allegedly.
Mullumbimbi Madness is not a Thai it is rumored to be a Thia x Colombian.
For the record Thai and other sativa genetics have been preserved and grown here for many decades Asia is in our neighborhood Thais dont flower faster grown here wish they did.
I grew the MM indoors flowered under 7/17 showed sex i think 6 weeks harvested at 17/18 weeks from memory.
NH21 x MM grown by E.T in 2013
It is not known for sure what MM is, some suppose Thai, someone else Thai x Colombian, it is likely that it is a hybrid of several sativas (but also indicas) from the warmer areas of those times, moreover I do not think there was a MM only breeder, so there are likely to be several "versions", or populations, of MM ...
The fact that some f2s are considered knocks offs and others aren't (and I'm not referring to the ojd stuff) I didn't get it ....
The fact that some f2s are considered knocks offs and others aren't (and I'm not referring to the ojd stuff) I didn't get it ....
yea a bit like folks arguing over whether a variety that they dont know the exact lineage is , or who made it etc, is pure or not ,
that sort of stuff cracks me up ..
wouldnt surprise me if we got the dna tested and it had some haze in it ,
afterall kanga did loose his seed in a bust before he partnered with nevil and had to sort out from what was left ,
im sure he did his best to select what was closest to what he had before , but nevertheless , it may not be a pure unadulterated example of something we dont know what it was to begin with ,, lol ...
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
MM came from a small group of Hippies that all lived together in a commune like i said it was rumored to be a Thai Colombian hybrid and it smoked closer to a super strong haze than most realize.
We never saw indicas here until the late 80s it was all sativas up until then.
Most here did not care about the genetic back ground of a line or its name most only cared about how it smoked back then and many still do today.
Go run a search look at what people grew from the F1 seed Nevil past out of the NH21 x MM no one reported hermies.
Whilst most of the pot in Australia back then was sativa, there were most certainly indica's (NLDs). There was hash called black putty, Turkish hash (soapstone like) and Lebanese blonde. I found a seed in a block of LB and grew a hashplant in 1981, which I crossed and gave out seeds. I had friends growing a very, very, broad leaf variety in 1979, and other friends growing seed they bought back from Nepal, that had intermediate width leaves. Aussies were big travelers, mostly in Asia, but I knew people who cycled through Pakistan in the 80s and brought back seed. Indica's were in the minority but were certainly here. In the city I grew up in we had big community of Lebanese, along with Turks and Greeks, all of whom had contact with their homelands.
Who knows what MM originally was. Thai x Colombian would not surprise me, but then neither would anything else sativa. As you say, very few knew or cared what the pot was. All we cared about was the effect. My breeding consisted of growing seed from my fave smoke x other fave smoke. The only varieties I knew for sure were the hashes, Thai Stick, and compressed Colombian. I reckon whatever MM originally was, it would not likely be a stabilised strain.
I bet Nevil made his seeds indoors.... bushweed and kanga outdoors made seeds outdoors
when seeds are made outdoor and next place they grow is under lights its asking for trouble
If you need to be indoors.... in that case best to grow out mothers Flower the clones
That semi-outdoor situation funky horse has going is ideal Gives them a little of the outdoor nature With enough control and protection to get the job done
After all that's the really important part...
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when seeds are made outdoor and next place they grow is under lights its asking for trouble
If you need to be indoors.... in that case best to grow out mothers Flower the clones
That semi-outdoor situation funky horse has going is ideal Gives them a little of the outdoor nature With enough control and protection to get the job done
After all that's the really important part...
.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
I bet Nevil made his seeds indoors and kanga outdoors
when seeds are made outdoor and next place they grow is under lights its asking for trouble
If you need to be indoors.... in that case best to grow out mothers Flower the clones...
That semi-outdoor situation funky horse has going is ideal Gives them a little of the outdoor nature With enough control and protection to get the job done
After all that's the really important part...
.
I have never seen an issue with seed made out door and grown indoors or seed made indoors and then grown out doors.
Nevil made seed both indoors and out.
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
All we grew was stable true breeding lines so like i said we never saw indicas until the mid to late 80s and they were not even close to the quality of the sativas we were growing when we did see them.
You found a seed in hash good for you.
MM was a hybrid still is and the MM i grew from Kanga is far from unstable.
2 different sides to Kangas MM i found
You found a seed in hash good for you.
MM was a hybrid still is and the MM i grew from Kanga is far from unstable.
2 different sides to Kangas MM i found
I'm the kind of person who thinks (and inquires ...) before opening his mouth...
Kanga was playing with Mazari and White widow, alongside MM and crosses ....
Loads from Southeast Asia, South America and Equatorial Africa have touched your beautiful land (I'm not saying this in a derogatory sense, mind you) and many Hippies carried with them the seeds they found along the way ....
A lot of people have grown Bushie stuff without having hermie ... but my question was a little more subtle...I wasn't referring to hermies or anything,
Which f2s are knocks-offs and which are not?
Kanga was playing with Mazari and White widow, alongside MM and crosses ....
Loads from Southeast Asia, South America and Equatorial Africa have touched your beautiful land (I'm not saying this in a derogatory sense, mind you) and many Hippies carried with them the seeds they found along the way ....
A lot of people have grown Bushie stuff without having hermie ... but my question was a little more subtle...I wasn't referring to hermies or anything,
Which f2s are knocks-offs and which are not?
after talking extensively with dj9 about nevils last projects MM did not end up being what he was looking for grail wise. it had many positive characteristics but it overpowered the haze too much it changed the profile and was very dominant in outcrosses. the original goal of grail project was to find a sativa that was haze like and could open up the line without changing what nevil loved in traits- turpentine astringent liver leather old thai smells and tastes. he felt his 97 nh pairing was the pinnacle of his haze breeding. since he did not have a female to work with he had to wrap the males around nl5, and he lost haze A early which meant he had to depend on haze C. the cat piss diesel amonia looks came out when haze c was over relied on which was the big thing nev wanted to avoid. unfortunatly the MM had a menthol quality nev did not care for and it overshadowed the haze a traits he loved. however what he did with the outback haze is pretty genious. a term nev used in this process was ghost genes. others call it the cold side of the pedigree. these are genes existent in the original parental lines which were not selected for . but if both sides of a cross have the parent in it, reversing female to male and male to female you sandwich the outcross in the middle. completely opens the line back up. and thats what he did with hempys thai. 2 selections nh 21 and 36. it teased out all these traits from the female side of pedigree which were locked away due to both 69 haze being males. dj explains it alot better.
Not sure if you are deliberately trying to be rude? I am only passing on experiences that I've had, and am getting sick of you continually having a go at me. Yes I did grow a hashplant, and I would bet I'm not the only one. We had hash here from when I began smoking in 1977, and other Indica's. I saw them, grew them, saw others grow them, and knew people who traveled to hash producing regions and bought seeds back. Sativa's ruled of course but to say there were no indica's is simply wrong.
Whether you worked with stable lines or not, is irrelevant to any MM discussion. Your knowledge comes from having a friend in Mullumbimby so is not first hand, so really you have no idea and are only going on what you have been told by others.
