Burglary suspect dies after being taped to tree by 68yr old homeowner

[Stoner4Life]

the judge ALWAYS sides with the prosecution and yet they're supposed to be fair and impartial and we all know that they are NOT.

Judge Douglas Anderson excluded evidence about the teens’ histories from the trial, including court documents that showed Brady had broken into Smith’s house and garage before. Brady and Kifer were also linked to another burglary; stolen prescription drugs were found in the car they were driving.

and so because the prick judge wouldn't allow the testimony from the above it could never be heard by the jury that these kids had stolen guns from Byron Smith in the previous break-ins @ his residence.

You might be right but don't ever think that you'll get a fair trial

 

[shithawk420]

ok but right or wrong he waited there to kill them in cold blood.what the hell happaned to a good ole beating.yeah they were punk kids.but to kill them in cold blood?im a mean son of a bitch but i dont know if even i got in me to to that

 

[Space Toker]

I know i will not be popular, but hell who cares i ain't no one ever answers my posts/threads so here goes: burglary does not deserve the death penalty... where all you seem to go to where someone stole an outdoor grow (I wish I could say I had personal experience and could sympathize but my failures of plants got eaten by insects or animals or just plain died). I see one thing, thieves are desperate or are greedy scum... I think the former in almost every case who would dare invade a house or garden if they felt they did not have any choice? I am sorry, I have always said and always say the poor and desperate need more help, and until that happens more needs to be done, and regardless war or violence is never right... I had to remind myself of that the other day, almost started a thread ranting and raving and talking all kinds of crazy violence talk after going out on a large pond we have been on before and never encountered such assholes... kids and those that wish they were, whipping around on speedboats and jet skis on a water body small enough that this should not be allowed, I have health and anxiety issues and almost tipped us over on purpose, I screamed violent words and made violent and profane motions, turned me into someone I am not, and one asshat bowed as if he put on a great performance and another stared me down for like 20 minutes straight. Hell they were scum and that's as far as I can go, jet skis and speedboats should only be allowed in restricted areas or very large bodies of water or be restricted to certain speeds... the way I know about things, the more primitive should and does have more "right of way" than those that seek to trash everything on blind selfishness alone. Pedestrians have a right not to be mowed down by cars and so should be the case in the water. I therefore had every bit as much and more right to fish with my bro as these jerks did to be idiot selfish arrogant screwballs on the water if not more.. but they basically drove us away and I almost lost it in a violent way... it is not right and they deserve the worst punishment imaginable...

But I calmed down and came to my senses such as they are thee days, and realize it is not worth it. By the same token killing a thief or anyone, biggest scumbag or not, is never right. peace is a difficult road to follow, but the violent path turns everyone into worthless fools and makes us worse than those we oppose, had a better way of putting it but except in the most dire self defense circumstances, we must fight violent urges and work toward peace as it is the only path forward as violence hate and revenge are a slippery slope downward that leads to not only others demise but ultimately our own and all we believed in and everything good in the end, and that is not the end I want for myself, anyone else, or the world.

 

[shithawk420]

Hey i never agreed with everything you say Toker but your good people in my book.unless someone is threatening my life i try not to kill them.if someone wants to rob me ill blow there fucking legs off.i wont kill them.yet

 

[Space Toker]

well thanks for agreeing with me, kind of, or at least realizing I mean well! I was reacting to the title as I so often do I admit, but even after reading it I did not have as bad an impression of the homeowner and a small part of me thought it was funny in a sick way, but did not agree in principle with what was done although I understood it better, but certainly will not celebrate the end result. I think you are good people too man!

 

[Corvette Doc]

Space Toker, I see what you are trying to say. BUT when you live in a neighborhood that is swarming with wanna-be gangsters driving expensive cars, talking on the newest cell phones and wearing $200 team jerseys and gold, while robbing little old ladies of their Social security checks...You start getting VERY POed.
This is what i see around here, the real poor are the victims of punks while the cops refuse to answer the calls for help...Around here 3-6 hours is actually an average on a good day.
] So i think maybe this guy might have the right answer.
After being robbed multiple times he set a trap, not to kill but to capture. His intent was right. So what if something went wrong??? If the punk had learned from being busted before why was he back? It was his fault the moment he crossed that line and broke in. The rest of the world has the right to protect it self from this kind of harassment and humiliation of being picked on to burglarize repeatedly.
The guy DID NOT intend to kill him just humiliate him and prove the injustice... It went wrong. If the system had slapped this punk senseless long before that night would have never happened.

 

[paladin420]

And Damn!!! Masking Tape? Taped the original guy to the tree with masking tape??

Sorry that's just been buggin me

 

[Space Toker]

yeah this sounds very BS to me too, some guy just trips over his own head or whatever (granted I am clumsy and dazed so capable of that! ) and basically the "defender" does what he wants with him? anyway, I can see that guys point a little but still does not deserve "that penalty". So I see your point CD and thanks to those that have seen mine, but while we can and should celebrate justice, I do not think that is what happened here.

S4L, forgive me for posting here if my presence and not my posts offends you. I hope neither is the case, we seem to disagree more lately but I wish you well and hope we can find common ground

 

[Stoner4Life]

no problem ST, threads are for posting your opinions thoughts no matter which end of the spectrum a person is on.

 

[igrowone]

on the old 'demented' guy that did the ambush and video record
a coup de grace type blow will get you convicted, has occurred in quite a few murder cases over the years
may not be 'right', but most juries will convict in that case

 

[944s2]

I know i will not be popular, but hell who cares i ain't no one ever answers my posts/threads so here goes: burglary does not deserve the death penalty... where all you seem to go to where someone stole an outdoor grow (I wish I could say I had personal experience and could sympathize but my failures of plants got eaten by insects or animals or just plain died). I see one thing, thieves are desperate or are greedy scum... I think the former in almost every case who would dare invade a house or garden if they felt they did not have any choice? I am sorry, I have always said and always say the poor and desperate need more help, and until that happens more needs to be done, and regardless war or violence is never right... I had to remind myself of that the other day, almost started a thread ranting and raving and talking all kinds of crazy violence talk after going out on a large pond we have been on before and never encountered such assholes... kids and those that wish they were, whipping around on speedboats and jet skis on a water body small enough that this should not be allowed, I have health and anxiety issues and almost tipped us over on purpose, I screamed violent words and made violent and profane motions, turned me into someone I am not, and one asshat bowed as if he put on a great performance and another stared me down for like 20 minutes straight. Hell they were scum and that's as far as I can go, jet skis and speedboats should only be allowed in restricted areas or very large bodies of water or be restricted to certain speeds... the way I know about things, the more primitive should and does have more "right of way" than those that seek to trash everything on blind selfishness alone. Pedestrians have a right not to be mowed down by cars and so should be the case in the water. I therefore had every bit as much and more right to fish with my bro as these jerks did to be idiot selfish arrogant screwballs on the water if not more.. but they basically drove us away and I almost lost it in a violent way... it is not right and they deserve the worst punishment imaginable...

But I calmed down and came to my senses such as they are thee days, and realize it is not worth it. By the same token killing a thief or anyone, biggest scumbag or not, is never right. peace is a difficult road to follow, but the violent path turns everyone into worthless fools and makes us worse than those we oppose, had a better way of putting it but except in the most dire self defense circumstances, we must fight violent urges and work toward peace as it is the only path forward as violence hate and revenge are a slippery slope downward that leads to not only others demise but ultimately our own and all we believed in and everything good in the end, and that is not the end I want for myself, anyone else, or the world.

Hey spacetoker,,,
totally see where your coming from
but reality is that some home invaders/ burglers have made there way of life a career,,,,
very highly skilled and ruthless whilst being totally aware what the stakes are if they are caught,,,,
if you go in to a persons house with intent to do them harm and steal/rob then you need to accept the consequences!,,,
nobody knows this more then the "career" home invader,,,s2

 

[weedaholic721]

True "career" criminals(not drug dealers), are truly quite rare, atleast where I am from. Most get caught. The ones that don't, aren't "invading" (terrible word, your house isn't a country), they are robbing real targets, not some random people with stuff barely worth anything.

Most burglaries are done by the poor and desperate out of necessity. Many can't grasp that being hungry,withdrawling from harsh substances with no resources to change can make even the strongest willed person do unthinkable things.

You should defend yourself from the truly evil and death, but killing someone who is not threatening your safety is ridiculous. Even when they are threatening your safety, killing should be the very last resort. The man at the beginning of this thread was subdued, then tied to a tree. Why escalate everything, just stop the person and move on.

Like I've said in another post today, people are way too accepting of murder and revenge.

 

[944s2]

True "career" criminals(not drug dealers), are truly quite rare, atleast where I am from. Most get caught. The ones that don't, aren't "invading" (terrible word, your house isn't a country), they are robbing real targets, not some random people with stuff barely worth anything.

Most burglaries are done by the poor and desperate out of necessity. Many can't grasp that being hungry,withdrawling from harsh substances with no resources to change can make even the strongest willed person do unthinkable things.

You should defend yourself from the truly evil and death, but killing someone who is not threatening your safety is ridiculous. Even when they are threatening your safety, killing should be the very last resort. The man at the beginning of this thread was subdued, then tied to a tree. Why escalate everything, just stop the person and move on.

Like I've said in another post today, people are way too accepting of murder and revenge.

hey weed,,,,
where i am from [East London ] career burglers are very common and very unacceptable if they are residential burglers,,,,
kill someone in cold blood after torturing them? NO but come into my home in the middle of the night to do me and mine harm in anyway,shape or form then "in the heat of the moment" i will do everything and anything to make sure they are hitting the deck/ground,,,,,,,,s2

 

[weedaholic721]

From my experience, the vast majority of people freeze up in the heat of the moment, especially when there's a gun involved. It's just stuff, if someone breaks in my house, you let them take what they want and move on. Why risk everything for stuff?

If something you own is that valuable, it should not be in your residence.

 

[944s2]

From my experience, the vast majority of people freeze up in the heat of the moment, especially when there's a gun involved. It's just stuff, if someone breaks in my house, you let them take what they want and move on. Why risk everything for stuff?

If something you own is that valuable, it should not be in your residence.[/QUOT i cant put my wife and son in a bank vault and i dont own them,,s2

 

[P-NUT]

Having been the victim of some shitheads breaking in my house and stealing about 3k worth of my sons money and a gun I have no sypathy for these assholes. 1 was like 20 and i can feel a little sympathy for him but not much the other asshole had only been out of jail for a few months and he was in his 30s. What really pisses me of is my son will never get back what he lost. Fuck jail make them slave labor till they repay their burden. I understand the poor in this country are struggling to survive but i grew up poor and still aint close to rich and I would never break in a house. There is no justice in this system. People need a culture change. Hoodlum gangbanger the world owes me a living culture is mostly the cause. I wont call the cops ever again though. They didnt do shit except treat me as a criminal. If i catch someone in my house ever again they're pigfeed.

 

[weedaholic721]

@944s2 you obviously protect your family however you can, but this is about burglary not assault.

@P-nut - 3k and a gun is really worth all that? I'm not very well off but that's nothing when compared with your life. You can definately get back 3 grand and a gun in no time.

All I'm saying is don't hurt people just because they took something materialistic from you. This thread has shown me that stuff is worth that much to some people.

I am definately NOT saying you shouldn't have the right to protect your property. However, some restraint and respect for life would go a long way.

I have been robbed myself at gunpoint. On a separate occasion, I had all my cannabis and cash stolen from someone breaking into my house in broad daylight, by what once was a friend. You learn to forgive and forget. Those events were over ten years ago, I never think about the stuff, but I damn sure am grateful I'm alive to tell the tale.

 

[Skinny Leaf]

911 call of Joe Horn

Cleared of all charges.


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[RonSmooth]

Space Toker, I see what you are trying to say. BUT when you live in a neighborhood that is swarming with wanna-be gangsters driving expensive cars, talking on the newest cell phones and wearing $200 team jerseys and gold, while robbing little old ladies of their Social security checks...You start getting VERY POed.

I assume you are using hyperbole to make a point but this sounds like fear mongering– which really bugs me.

I'd bet most petty larceny is committed by desperate drug addicts.

You don't get rich breaking into random homes & stealing outdated electronics or a couple pairs of gold plated earrings. Most times you don't know what you're going to find inside. Televisions and computers are cumbersome and obvious plus you have to find a buyer afterwards and sell them for a fraction of what they are worth. There is also a good chance the homeowner is armed.

Not defending thieves, just being realistic.

 

[Stoner4Life]

ooops