Broad Mites?

[Some old dude]

You are rite on

You are rite on

Cucumeris are much cheaper than swirskiis. You can try them. But be warned they are far more sensitive to high temperatures than swirskii. I didn't have good results with them. They may be of use in a veg room where temps are usually lower than in flower!

Ya ,I hear ya. When I get my claw's into something I go "all in". I have been on the phone to three different mite suppliers in Oregon and reading my ash off about this new direction for me of predator protection. I am ordering the "Swirkii's" today after learning from you and reading everything I can find about them. And as I have said I will probably try many different combinations of preventative natural bugs and sprays and anything that comes down the line. There are actually more predators that are available to help fight the broads.Because I have a limited science background I even played with supplying "Milivolts" electricity current to plants in pre-scheduled daily charges wondering if it would kill the bugs or make the bugs leave but got to lazy with the idea. What a wonder life it would be If the "swirskii's would take over in my yard plants. I will be on a regime of monthly ordering of combinations of predators over the next year to see if this thing is going to work out...Peace.

 

[Some old dude]

Actually, My "mothers room" (veg room) is not temp controlled except for a exhaust and fans as I don't need to worry if the temps for mothers gets above 80. Sometimes in summer gets to 95 or so with little effect as my stable is highly selected and not susceptible to hermie from the start. It does not matter if my stable mothers get a little stressed from heat. (I just move the light way up in the worst part of summer). Flower room 68-80 constant.And one last very important observation to ponder. I have been growing a long time and only in resent years have I had this horrible problem first spider mites and PM then the god awfull deadly "broads"...whats next...? it use to be so easy never had any of these problems...would go out and work in the yard and then visit the indoor garden never a worry. Now can't grow a decent grow without a major problem unless you want to use poison...This in my opinion is more than a coincidence... Just my thoughts.

 

[moses wellfleet]

It could be the DEA or CIA?

IMHO it is due to globalization. Produce is being shipped around the world like never before, and pests hitch a ride along with it.

broad mites are a tropical species and probably native to some obscure corner of the earth, the local rain forest is slashed and burned and a mango farm opens up. Mangoes are exported to the US and before you know it some old guys favorite canna plants are infested with the dreaded broads.

I think we can expect more horrible critters to show up in the future!

 

[moodster]

I thought broad mites came from Australia flaming dingos

 

[moses wellfleet]

Sorry mate can't blame the Aussies for this one!

Sorry mate can't blame the Aussies for this one!

I thought broad mites came from Australia flaming dingos

http://ipm.ncsu.edu/AG136/mite1.html

 

[RetroGrow]

It could be the DEA or CIA?

IMHO it is due to globalization. Produce is being shipped around the world like never before, and pests hitch a ride along with it.

broad mites are a tropical species and probably native to some obscure corner of the earth, the local rain forest is slashed and burned and a mango farm opens up. Mangoes are exported to the US and before you know it some old guys favorite canna plants are infested with the dreaded broads.

I think we can expect more horrible critters to show up in the future!

Broad mites are indigenous to Florida & Southern California, hence the spread throughout Cali through cuttings. Their favorite foods are fruit trees: citrus, mangoes, etc., so if you live in one of those areas, they are all over outside. Wouldn't put anything past the DEA. They are as low as it comes, and once tried to poison people with paraquat.

 

[Some old dude]

Paraquat

Paraquat

Broad mites are indigenous to Florida & Southern California, hence the spread throughout Cali through cuttings. Their favorite foods are fruit trees: citrus, mangoes, etc., so if you live in one of those areas, they are all over outside. Wouldn't put anything past the DEA. They are as low as it comes, and once tried to poison people with paraquat.

Funny you should mention "Paraquat" I can still remember that strange taste of those mexi composted pressed bricks that had it soaked all over them. Lucky I had friends who would bring the "Querrean Bats" (spelling) that had these giant black seeds in them. And the Acapulco gold, and the puerta vallarta, And of course the Colombian red (my personal favorite) And will never forget the legendary "Oaxaca"...Those where the daze yup.But sometimes even the Colombian had that paracrap on it. Ya , us old dudes use to smoke that poison sometimes ...not often , that stuff was murder man.

 

[RetroGrow]

Funny you should mention "Paraquat" I can still remember that strange taste of those mexi composted pressed bricks that had it soaked all over them. Lucky I had friends who would bring the "Querrean Bats" (spelling) that had these giant black seeds in them. And the Acapulco gold, and the puerta vallarta, And of course the Colombian red (my personal favorite) And will never forget the legendary "Oaxaca"...Those where the daze yup.But sometimes even the Colombian had that paracrap on it. Ya , us old dudes use to smoke that poison sometimes ...not often , that stuff was murder man.

You can thank "tricky" Dick Nixon for that. That's why I say, I would put nothing past the DEA. They have shown that they are willing to poison people.

 

[jonez]

Week five of flower - 6 out of 40 of the plants buds have gone from hairy to no hair and a little broccoli looking - thought for a day or two the were turning hermaphrodite. What is best way to treat them? I've been moving them around and feel certain they had to have spread. Will I be able to raise temperature in room to kill them off? Should I spray or is it too late??? Help me! I'm a newly doting mother

 

[GK1]

Week five of flower - 6 out of 40 of the plants buds have gone from hairy to no hair and a little broccoli looking - thought for a day or two the were turning hermaphrodite. What is best way to treat them? I've been moving them around and feel certain they had to have spread. Will I be able to raise temperature in room to kill them off? Should I spray or is it too late??? Help me! I'm a newly doting mother

Dont spray anything this late in flower. That never goes well. Consider heat treatment as many here have used it successfully. Do something or you wont harvest much. Bummer, brother. Good luck.

 

[RetroGrow]

Week five of flower - 6 out of 40 of the plants buds have gone from hairy to no hair and a little broccoli looking - thought for a day or two the were turning hermaphrodite. What is best way to treat them? I've been moving them around and feel certain they had to have spread. Will I be able to raise temperature in room to kill them off? Should I spray or is it too late??? Help me! I'm a newly doting mother

Remove the worst plants and burn them or trash them. 5 weeks into flower, you cannot use chemicals. Really your only option at this point is heat treatment, and you may be able to salvage something, although it's late to be just discovering them. Confirm by checking undersides of leaves with 100X scope and look for eggs. Plenty pf photos in the thread or Google Broad mite eggs and see pictures. Act quickly or you will end up with nothing.

 

[ojd]

i did heat treatment 4-5 weeks in flower with great success but mine deff was not as bad as yours

id already done a heat treatment just as i went into flower and i guess a few survived so a few burnt pistil at 4-5 weeks and i did a 2nd heat treatmentin 4-5 and harvested good

peace

 

[LEDNewbie]

i did heat treatment 4-5 weeks in flower with great success but mine deff was not as bad as yours

id already done a heat treatment just as i went into flower and i guess a few survived so a few burnt pistil at 4-5 weeks and i did a 2nd heat treatmentin 4-5 and harvested good

peace

Did you notice any ill effects from doing a heat treatment 5 weeks into flower?? I did heat treatments all through veg. Did one right when I flipped to flower. Was thinking of doing another at the end of week 3. Think thats enough to take me to harvest or should I do another in week 5?

 

[Phillthy]

i burned the tops of some buds as flower got to 130ish before veg got to 120.

 

[LEDNewbie]

Here's how my lady's look this round.

Week 1 of veg

Week 2 of veg


End of week 3 veg. Start of flower


End of week 1 flower

 

[jonez]

I found a few broad mites... They weren't easy to find. After throwing away the plants, that were obviously infected, we attempted to burn them out by turning off the carbon fan, filling trays with water, (so plants would not dehydrate) and leaving lights on. The room would not climb above 100 f, but humidity reached 97%.
A few days later, an experienced grower recommended diamatacious earth for mites. I heard it would not hurt buds and leaves and sprinkled the powder on the plants. Not a mite in sight! My buds are looking good. However, last night I noticed my leaves were extremely dry, brittle and taco like. If it isn't one thing to worry about it's another!. Is it possible that the diamatacious earth could have thrown off my nutrients or added something to damage the plants? I cant find any info.

 

[GreenGuySF]

No Pest Strips against broad mites?

No Pest Strips against broad mites?

Hi everyone! Happy Friday. Quick question:

Has anybody used Hot Shots No Pest Strips against the broad mites?
I had these my last round, so I assume they are present on my current round, despite not having seen many symptoms yet.

Would leaving some NPS Strips near all my plants for a week or so
eliminate these fuckers? I read somewhere the lifecycle is 3 days I think.

ALSO: Regarding the leaf distortion caused by these fuckers, will that heal eventually,
if using aspirin in irrigation? Meaning, is the leaf cupping a definite sign that broad mites are currently active?

 

[RetroGrow]

I found a few broad mites... They weren't easy to find. After throwing away the plants, that were obviously infected, we attempted to burn them out by turning off the carbon fan, filling trays with water, (so plants would not dehydrate) and leaving lights on. The room would not climb above 100 f, but humidity reached 97%.
A few days later, an experienced grower recommended diamatacious earth for mites. I heard it would not hurt buds and leaves and sprinkled the powder on the plants. Not a mite in sight! My buds are looking good. However, last night I noticed my leaves were extremely dry, brittle and taco like. If it isn't one thing to worry about it's another!. Is it possible that the diamatacious earth could have thrown off my nutrients or added something to damage the plants? I cant find any info.

I don't believe diatomaceous earth will kill broad mites, and 100 degrees is not hot enough. You need space heaters to bring temps up to 120F.

 

[Tokesome]

Are Broad mites found in the UK?

I've been fighting what I believe, and still do, is off gassing in a new place with new glued down carpets, but I must say my plants look very much the same, waxy leathery blistered and contorted leaves, so shiny they look like they've been sprayed with a plastic coating. Then larger leaves dying off from the centre outwards until totally washed out. I'm getting no brown spotting on the leaves.

The plants have been stunted badly too.

They're small clones stunted in early veg, these girls should be ready for flowering into biggish plants.

The problem has slowed down in that the speed at which the larger leaves are dying off has decreased, although there are many dark green waxy blistered leaves that wont be able to survive long term, having already been so badly damaged.

I think I;m right with the off gassing, I dealt with it for 2 years at a place a couple of years back, but once I sealed the room and ventilation similar to what I have now the problems disappeared, much faster growth and yields more than trippled. Same issues here but worse, stunted growth, very dark green, clawed and deformed leaves etc, except for the glossyness and blistering here are new to me.

I was drawing air from through the building at first with not much air flow, just a 4" RVK and one 600MH, as I was still building the 2+m x 3+m room when the cuts arrived, the last place had off gassing from glued down carpets that were a good few years old, whereas this place has just had carpets glued down in the last 3-4 weeks so I imagine the toxins are at much higher levels.

So I''ve virtually sealed off the room and fitted substantial ventilation, 8"RVKL1 (990cm3) with a 1200cm3 Phresh scrubber, air coming from the attic and scrubbed and vented to outdoors, though the neg pressure is very high and I need to try and up the intakes, I have three 6" ducts in 5m lengths passively bringing in the air into different areas of the room. They don't keep up with the RVK though, I've added a spare 4" RVK to the end of one of the 6" ducts to boost it, but still the black and white plastic is really trying to be sucked into the room. I have it totally battoned down and well sealed, but if I don't assist intake it will eventually need constant checking for leaks due to punctures whilst walking in it and sticky foil tape becoming less affective over time etc. I hope to borrow a 6" fan and add that to the intakes and see if that brings the neg pressure to reasonable level.

I also gave all the clones a liberal spraying of Plant Vitality, which is a standard treatment I give to all plants, works completely on the more common spider mite, kills them stone dead and is a good precautionary measure against spider mites and thrips. Though I don't think we have issues with thrips here in the uk. Its all good stuff though and feeds the leaves some handy stuff.

I think it seems to have arrested the problem, but the girls aren't drinking or growing much at all. and the little new growth is showing signs of being waxy etc. Maybe I've sorted it and they're just taking time to get over the near death experience they've had, I do hope so, but I've never seen pictures of leaves so uncannily like mine as in the early stages of this thread so I need to check this out. I have my nutrient strength runnig at 5, was ec9 then ec 7, now ec5, with 3/4 strength Rhizotonic, res temps between 18.6c and 20c. I have two MH bulbs on now, 600's to keep the temperatures in the room up, with one it felt cold in there. The roots on those I inspected look lush and white, and are spreading into their new 6" pots, a bit slowly but healthy looking.

Perhaps the nutrient deficiencies/lockouts are similarly caused by both and many other problems.

These are the worst plants I've had to deal with, except for one hydro grow with pithyum several years back.

I'll post a few photos later in the week.

The main question I have, is are broad mites natural inhabitants of the UK?

I have been to SE Asia and did use a bag I traveled with to collect the potted clones, stupid looking back but it was months ago, so I doubt there'd be anything surviving in there.

Broad mites in the UK? The answer to that may help me eradicate something that looks so very similar.

How would I find them, I have no jeweler's loop?

Thanks, TS

 

[RetroGrow]

Are Broad mites found in the UK?

I've been fighting what I believe, and still do, is off gassing in a new place with new glued down carpets, but I must say my plants look very much the same, waxy leathery blistered and contorted leaves, so shiny they look like they've been sprayed with a plastic coating. Then larger leaves dying off from the centre outwards until totally washed out. I'm getting no brown spotting on the leaves.

The plants have been stunted badly too.

They're small clones stunted in early veg, these girls should be ready for flowering into biggish plants.

The problem has slowed down in that the speed at which the larger leaves are dying off has decreased, although there are many dark green waxy blistered leaves that wont be able to survive long term, having already been so badly damaged.

I think I;m right with the off gassing, I dealt with it for 2 years at a place a couple of years back, but once I sealed the room and ventilation similar to what I have now the problems disappeared, much faster growth and yields more than trippled. Same issues here but worse, stunted growth, very dark green, clawed and deformed leaves etc, except for the glossyness and blistering here are new to me.

I was drawing air from through the building at first with not much air flow, just a 4" RVK and one 600MH, as I was still building the 2+m x 3+m room when the cuts arrived, the last place had off gassing from glued down carpets that were a good few years old, whereas this place has just had carpets glued down in the last 3-4 weeks so I imagine the toxins are at much higher levels.

So I''ve virtually sealed off the room and fitted substantial ventilation, 8"RVKL1 (990cm3) with a 1200cm3 Phresh scrubber, air coming from the attic and scrubbed and vented to outdoors, though the neg pressure is very high and I need to try and up the intakes, I have three 6" ducts in 5m lengths passively bringing in the air into different areas of the room. They don't keep up with the RVK though, I've added a spare 4" RVK to the end of one of the 6" ducts to boost it, but still the black and white plastic is really trying to be sucked into the room. I have it totally battoned down and well sealed, but if I don't assist intake it will eventually need constant checking for leaks due to punctures whilst walking in it and sticky foil tape becoming less affective over time etc. I hope to borrow a 6" fan and add that to the intakes and see if that brings the neg pressure to reasonable level.

I also gave all the clones a liberal spraying of Plant Vitality, which is a standard treatment I give to all plants, works completely on the more common spider mite, kills them stone dead and is a good precautionary measure against spider mites and thrips. Though I don't think we have issues with thrips here in the uk. Its all good stuff though and feeds the leaves some handy stuff.

I think it seems to have arrested the problem, but the girls aren't drinking or growing much at all. and the little new growth is showing signs of being waxy etc. Maybe I've sorted it and they're just taking time to get over the near death experience they've had, I do hope so, but I've never seen pictures of leaves so uncannily like mine as in the early stages of this thread so I need to check this out. I have my nutrient strength runnig at 5, was ec9 then ec 7, now ec5, with 3/4 strength Rhizotonic, res temps between 18.6c and 20c. I have two MH bulbs on now, 600's to keep the temperatures in the room up, with one it felt cold in there. The roots on those I inspected look lush and white, and are spreading into their new 6" pots, a bit slowly but healthy looking.

Perhaps the nutrient deficiencies/lockouts are similarly caused by both and many other problems.

These are the worst plants I've had to deal with, except for one hydro grow with pithyum several years back.

I'll post a few photos later in the week.

The main question I have, is are broad mites natural inhabitants of the UK?

I have been to SE Asia and did use a bag I traveled with to collect the potted clones, stupid looking back but it was months ago, so I doubt there'd be anything surviving in there.

Broad mites in the UK? The answer to that may help me eradicate something that looks so very similar.

How would I find them, I have no jeweler's loop?

Thanks, TS

BMs are found in the UK. Need pix to tell, but does sound like off gassing from description.