Breeding for the best stimulating effect

[bloyd]

I appreciate everyone's response and apologize for detouring the thread. I agree on both the mextiza and angolese/thai having very little comedown. I've enjoyed both but neither was very strong which I think contributed to that clean high.

Contrast that to the many haze/haze hybrids I've grown and they mostly tend to spin me out leave me fatigued physically and/or mentally on comedown. I agree the best we can do is keep searching and variety makes everything better.

 

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@Carraxe I think there are two obstacles with finding what you seek, delta9 has a biphasic dosage response that isn’t an issue with stronger agonists like thcp but these are only present in plants with a lower total thc content, longer flowering, wispy buds, unrelated to skunk.

The other is tolerance from cbd, not many zero% cbd plants with big dense buds and short flowering, it builds up on the receptors over time.

So I think you may need to sacrifice some of your perhaps incompatible criteria but I wish you luck in your quest.

Hemp papers contain residual cbd so if you are using these you might be better with the new bamboo ones? Another thought would be fermenting the buds using the tangwena cob method, this may help reduce the cbd and convert the delta9 into stronger agonists that don’t have such a problem with sedation in larger doses.

I’d try the ot1 green haze or the federation Hawaiian for a cross with your TAM, or maybe just the TA if the M has skunk in it.
Vermontman might make a trade with you for the FH, he says it’s what combined best with his Oaxaca, best wishes with your search.

 

[Carraxe]

@Carraxe I think there are two obstacles with finding what you seek, delta9 has a biphasic dosage response that isn’t an issue with stronger agonists like thcp but these are only present in plants with a lower total thc content, longer flowering, wispy buds, unrelated to skunk.

The other is tolerance from cbd, not many zero% cbd plants with big dense buds and short flowering, it builds up on the receptors over time.

So I think you may need to sacrifice some of your perhaps incompatible criteria but I wish you luck in your quest.

Hemp papers contain residual cbd so if you are using these you might be better with the new bamboo ones? Another thought would be fermenting the buds using the tangwena cob method, this may help reduce the cbd and convert the delta9 into stronger agonists that don’t have such a problem with sedation in larger doses.

I’d try the ot1 green haze or the federation Hawaiian for a cross with your TAM, or maybe just the TA if the M has skunk in it.
Vermontman might make a trade with you for the FH, he says it’s what combined best with his Oaxaca, best wishes with your search.

Well, I've already found what I was seeking, and more than once, so I can assure that there are no incompatibilities in any of the criteria I follow. I don't know what is there into Mextiza, or into Oaxaca '79, but I don't mind if it was skunk or an Afghan from the 70s, since the addition of non-sativa genes was decades ago, and proper selection in origin, between pure sativas, made its effect negligible.

I know that its crosses with purest sativas are the way for me. Tasty, fast and, no doubt, stimulating. I don't need "authenticity" or "legitimacy", I select by the effect, and I choose the ones I like. I've discovered and shared really outstanding crosses that are, no doubt, stronger and better than any landrace (I've grown plenty of them) and show the best you would expect in any pure sativa. Better flavor, more resin, more enjoyment. And also, they don't need 16 weeks.

I'm not attracted by Old Hazes, I find them unnecessarily slow and unproductive. ACE weeds are far more interesting, both the landraces (for breeding) and the hybrids made with exotic sativas (or sativa-like plants). I also believe that as a pure sativa, Thai Angola is better than any pure Haze, so it is an important breeding plant for me.

I'm pretty sure that the weeds I use are extremely low in CBD, just by its effect. I don't like CBD at all, and even my favorite Indica, Taskenti, has been made breeding out all CBD and its amount is negligible, and still the effect is sedating, so I don't think that CBD is the cannabinoid that defines the Indica/Sativa spectrum. In fact, there are sativas like Lebanese or Nepali that are rich in CBD, so I'll never use them. CBD kills the high.

Regarding the cobbing, or fermentation, I've been doing that for years, have a look at my older posts. I decided not to do it anymore, but I slightly press some of my weed.

Now I've got the Mextiza and also the TAM as basic breeding material. I have no doubt I'll find some jewels in no time, with the crosses I'm making and planning. And although I've overburnt the Mextiza, the Thai Angola and the TAM to a point I'm near immune to their effects, I know these weeds have been pointing my path, and they and their new crosses will keep doing that. If you want new experiences, you need new weeds your body isn't used to.

Breeding is a world of crossing, testing and discovering new sensing and mental experiences, but it would be stupid to think that you could smoke a single supersativa strain that could get you high and stimulated from morning to dawn, for years, with no consequences. The first consequence is that you get used to. That's how drugs work, not just cannabis. That's why this quest has no end and keeps going forever.

So, what I've been doing is to share my path along this long thread. And the best I can do, is to share some of my work with people who can get nice experiences with these special, stimulating and powerful weeds that aren't what is "normal" in the cannabis market, but way way better, from my perspective.

Thanks for sharing your vision.

 

[Carraxe]

I appreciate everyone's response and apologize for detouring the thread. I agree on both the mextiza and angolese/thai having very little comedown. I've enjoyed both but neither was very strong which I think contributed to that clean high.

Contrast that to the many haze/haze hybrids I've grown and they mostly tend to spin me out leave me fatigued physically and/or mentally on comedown. I agree the best we can do is keep searching and variety makes everything better.

Man, thanks for your contribution, that I just read. That's what we need in this thread, and not a detour at all. I share my thoughts to know what people with the same interests think.

 

[FTL]

Man, thanks for your contribution, that I just read. That's what we need in this thread, and not a detour at all. I share my thoughts to know what people with the same interests think.

Hi Caraxe

If I may ask why did you stop the cobbing and what were your experiences positive and negative with it.

Cheer

 

[Carraxe]

Hi Caraxe

If I may ask why did you stop the cobbing and what were your experiences positive and negative with it.

Cheer

Because, while I think cobbing has some interesting features, after years of experiments I prefer to process the weed the way I do it today.

Advantages of cobbing? you can store the weed quickly after harvest, is doesn't smell, it doesn't need much space, it cures fast, it gets you high faster, and it can be transported easily. Pressure also adds packing and density to the pressed buds, concentrating cannabinoids, so the way it gets you high is special. Also, these pressed buds burn really smooth. A pleasure, in my experience.

For some time, years ago, I used to ferment some batches of Jack Herer and OG's. My friends loved that unique thing, in my circle we called that weed "la negra", meaning "the black one". Unexpectedly strong for such a friendly smooth smoke.

Disadvantages? If you are growing and selecting for special herbs, you want to keep your terpenes accessible so you can value them. The cobbing breaks the cell walls and the trichomes and mixes the fluids of the plant in a physical-chemical mixture, not really a real yeast-induced fermentation. Anyway, while the cannabinoids concentrate, and the fiber gets readier to combustion, the terpenes disappear and it makes it harder to make a difference between specimens.

I don't know if you can access this album, but there are some pictures of my cured weed and I salivate remembering some of this candy.

https://www.icmag.com/media/albums/curing.15209584/

Hope this help. Merry christmas!

 

[FTL]

Because, while I think cobbing has some interesting features, after years of experiments I prefer to process the weed the way I do it today.

Advantages of cobbing? you can store the weed quickly after harvest, is doesn't smell, it doesn't need much space, it cures fast, it gets you high faster, and it can be transported easily. Pressure also adds packing and density to the pressed buds, concentrating cannabinoids, so the way it gets you high is special. Also, these pressed buds burn really smooth. A pleasure, in my experience.

For some time, years ago, I used to ferment some batches of Jack Herer and OG's. My friends loved these unique thing, in my circle we called that weed "la negra", meaning "the black one". Unexpectedly strong for such a friendly smooth smoke.

Disadvantages? If you are growing and selecting for special herbs, you want to keep your terpenes accessible so you can value them. The cobbing breaks the cell walls and the trichomes and mixes the fluids of the plant in a physical-chemical mixture, not really a real yeast-induced fermentation. Anyway, while the cannabinoids concentrate, and the fiber gets readier to combustion, the terpenes disappear and it makes it harder to make a difference between specimens.

Hope this help. Merry christmas!

Awesome answer Caraxe, thank you for that.

Merry Christmas to you too my bro

 

[Carraxe]

Now that this subject just came out, I think it would be a great idea to cob/ferment some Thai Angola. Since it helps concentrate its effects and the aroma of this cut is already subtle, it could be a good example of how a well pressed good sativa could enhance its effects.

It's curious that I never thought about pressing that one. That's because my fermenting experiments were made quite a long time ago.

The specimens I'm growing now are seeded or expect to be seeded soon, but I'll find a moment to properly grow and harvest her for pressing.

Sweet smokes

 

[Carraxe]

Several months ago I failed while trying to use TAM reversed pollen into the Thai Angola. I have the whole Thai Angola plant I pollinated, totally sinsemilla, dried and 6 weeks into curing, so I'm going to use a fermenting/pressing method I used back in the day with good results.

It isn't the best method, since the best one uses weed into the middle of drying process, instead of dried up weed, but it works and the result is quite similar.

I took the best buds, 38 grams, and sprayed them with water. After spraying and draining them, the total weight was 58g. That's like a 50% extra weight.

After that, I put the wet weed in a bag and I press it inside a little mason jar. Inside that mason jar I placed another one that will work as the press piston. I put a butane canister weighting about 20 kg over that second mason jar, and that will make pressure enough to totally break the cellular structure in just a day or two.

In several days, its colour will change to dark green, then brown and then dark brown, or even black. Probably before a week, I'll open it and spread it out, and since the herbal matter is already broken up and pressed, it will get dry in just a couple days.

I'll tell you how it goes.

Sweet smokes