Breeding for beginners

[NL5/SK1]

Wow! High School Biology. And I thought it would never come in handy. Nice work.

 

[Poker_Toker]

I have no experience in breeding and have a few questions to whoever can help. I ordered speed queen and big bud. Will Nirvana's big bud and Mandalas Speed queen make a f2? Would it be a good cross? What strain male should i use in the cross?

 

[glasspackedbowl]

What's the difference between female plants that hermi and male planta that hermi? Are the pollens the same?

I have no idea. Not into dudes that pretend to be lady's or the other way around.

 

[glasspackedbowl]

I have no experience in breeding and have a few questions to whoever can help. I ordered speed queen and big bud. Will Nirvana's big bud and Mandalas Speed queen make a f2? Would it be a good cross? What strain male should i use in the cross?

Speed queen is a new strain probably not an IBL so they wont be f2 but a hybrid. Which ever plants traits the most should be the female In my opinion.

 

[Guest]

Hi,
Nice info.

Question: What if I have a Maroc x Afgaan male and female (or any other true strain). Will this make the same seed I started with?

Question: What can you tell us about female pollen and using it on various other females?

thanks

Li'l Abner

 

[Poker_Toker]

Speed queen is a new strain probably not an IBL so they wont be f2 but a hybrid. Which ever plants traits the most should be the female In my opinion.

in your honest opinion do you think it would be worth it? The speed queen is really quick so i figured if i crossed the male big bud to speed queen the flowering would increase a bit, but bigger buds and more potent then big buds

Basically if i used the speed queen male to pollinate the big bud female the buds would basically stay the same, but get more potent

Am i looking at this correctly?

 

[glasspackedbowl]

Hi,Nice info.
Question: What if I have a Maroc x Afgaan male and female (or any other true strain). Will this make the same seed I started with?
Question: What can you tell us about female pollen and using it on various other females?

1. If the strain you started with was an IBL "In Breed Line" it will further inbreed the line. But this can lead to degradation of gene and traits making them more recessive or losing them all together. However if you pick multiple males and females that exhibit different traits they will be pretty close to the same.

2. If you are talking about female pollen( banana shaped pollen on female) if it wasnt stress induced then it should make female seeds. But if stress was the cause its a random hermie trait you really dont want. The best female pollen is from plants grown about 2 weeks too long. When the buds are picked there may be a few patches of banana sacks. This pollen on a female plant with no tendency to make female pollen should be female and not hermie. Hope that helps.

 

[glasspackedbowl]

in your honest opinion do you think it would be worth it? The speed queen is really quick so i figured if i crossed the male big bud to speed queen the flowering would increase a bit, but bigger buds and more potent then big buds

Basically if i used the speed queen male to pollinate the big bud female the buds would basically stay the same, but get more potent

Am i looking at this correctly?

Yes I think you need Speen Queen as mother. To keep plant small and to not break off branches from heavy buds. I like the idea of the cross.

With Big bud as the female the buds will get smaller plant will shorten a bit and it might be better in high as hybrids are better usually then their parents.

 

[Guest]

Hi,
Thanks very much for the reply. I thought I could make myself a stash of seeds from some seeds I bought. I did not realize, two plants from a pure strain of seeds will only produce inbred offspring that do not resemble mom and dad? How do the seed shops perpetuate their lines? will I always have to buy seeds?

Hybrids would not be a true strain would they?

You hear all the time where folks are "stressing" their plants to make it produce a male flower. I thought all of that pollen was Female...So only pollen from bud kept flowering for an extended period is worth using.

What type of pollen is this from the female? What traits does it carry? What if I pollenate a completely different female with pollen from the donor?

I got some killer bud from a local grower that was pure sinsemillia except for a couple seeds deep inside the bud. I also found some of these "bananas" in the bud. I plucked them out, busted them open and pollenated some white widow and maroc x afghani...just for the fun of it.

I hope the pollen is viable. Maybe it will turn out to be a worthwhile strain..

So one final question...

I am an old school guy...I grew up growin in cut-overs and farms and in the woods..we used to get some great strains back in the old days, "aculpoco gold", columbian gold, red bud, michoacan, etc.

I heard Skunk #1 is from this lineage...could you inbreed skunk 1 back to colombo gold?

Thanks for the great replies and info.

Li'l Abner

 

[Poker_Toker]

Yes I think you need Speen Queen as mother. To keep plant small and to not break off branches from heavy buds. I like the idea of the cross.

With Big bud as the female the buds will get smaller plant will shorten a bit and it might be better in high as hybrids are better usually then their parents.

Wow thanks alot for your reply, thats what i thought, now a question on inbreeding.

I want a wackload of big bud seeds to give to friends etc, what is the proper way to produce seeds from a 10 pack?

Can i just pollinate one female with a male in their own separate cab or is the proper way to collect the pollen from the most vigorous big bud male and pollinate a clone from the best yielding big bud female? would either way work?

 

[glasspackedbowl]

inbreeding will make more of the same strain. Just remember to keep some seeds from a first batch to back cross them back too maybe cycle the firstcrop seeds in every 5times around. Then keep lots and after inbreeding 5 times do it again.

Nope skunk #1 will always be skunk #1. But if u found a AGold cross you could cross it with s#1 and in time could get a close relative.

If its a female plant theres no X dna to share with its YY. So the resulting seeds could only have Y from one plant and Y from the other female it goes on.

 

[glasspackedbowl]

Wow thanks alot for your reply, thats what i thought, now a question on inbreeding.

I want a wackload of big bud seeds to give to friends etc, what is the proper way to produce seeds from a 10 pack?

Can i just pollinate one female with a male in their own separate cab or is the proper way to collect the pollen from the most vigorous big bud male and pollinate a clone from the best yielding big bud female? would either way work?

take the male with the best vigor and the short distance between the nodes.

yes either way would work. Also taking a clone from each female and having male pollen from all males would be the best way to keep the BIG BUDieness.

 

[Guest]

Male Pollen "Pre-Flower"

Male Pollen "Pre-Flower"

Hi,
Thank you very much for that great info "Glasspackedbowl"....that little bit goes a long way..I will be making some seed to plant back home in the cut overs and mountains where I hunt.

I was wondering how that would work using female selfed pollen on another totally diff female..that is interesting. So, if I have a Skunk #1 fem (100%) and a Haleys Comet Fem (100%) and use the selfed pollen from either plant on the other, I would get a Skunk #1 X Haleys Comet?

You or someone around here mentioned "pre-flowers" on males...I am collecting pollen and was wondering if the "pre-flower" pollen is viable? You get those first few balls that open before the "real flower" on the tips mature...it looks like good pollen, yellow and all..i take it and put it in some wax paper with some crackers and keep it in the fridge....then i will swab the specimin with a q-tip to make the seed.

If you have a vigorous healthy male that shows itself early, and pre-flowers fast and first among its relatives will this make earlier flowering females?

thats all I have for now....thanks again for the great info..sorry for so many questions all at once!

li'l abner

 

[BROKENFINGERS]

Question I had a female go threw a bad drought period when I checked it at the spot it popped some male flowers. Would the seeds from this plant be all female or would there be male seeds.It was a deep chunk cross so the strian was well bread before.

 

[crawdad]

Question:

MENDEL's first law is the principle of uniformity. It says that, if two plants that differ in just one trait are crossed, then the resulting hybrids will be uniform in the chosen trait.

How does the plant know what the chosen trait is?

If I have a fem (A) Skunk #1 that has Pinnate leaves and is kind of lanky....and I have a (B)skunk#1 that has webbed leaves and is branchy

if I cross the (A) with a (C) Haleys Comet that is tall and bushy (male) will I get some pure (C), some pure (A), some pure (B) and some with (A)X(b)X(C) and on and on and on?

I read the begininng of the post and missed the part about "Selecting for a trait"....I am not trying to be a smart aXX just cant understand that part of the statement..

No plant has just one trait.

thanks

Crawdad

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I just read the whole thread, whew...
The fight between those that know and those that want to know, but do not want to spend the time to learn first, is always a problem. I thought that Kokua was pretty polite and knew what he was talking about..

First of all might I suggest that specific methods be suggested and used to achieve specific results.
No use using a method that requires hundreds or thousands of plants when you only grow 10.

Second I have a few questions like the many mentions of homozygous plants, while I realize many of these mentions were only for specific traits only but does anyone really think they have real homozygous Cannabis plants, meaning for all traits? Because you do not. If you think you do how did you confirm this?

The bottom line to me is I don't care if proper breeding terms are used if the results are great, but I have my doubts they will be. What I like is people that can be polite to each other when talking about breeding our favorite plant. Even if the guy has no idea what he is talking about, it don't help to call him names, just point out the facts.

I might also suggest that people stop using intersexed plants as parents, and before you say you are not, have you stress tested them to try and make them express intersexual traits? If stress can make them express hermi traits then they have intersexed genes and should not be used, unless you want the progeny to carry the genes also.

Maybe I will review the whole thread again and make comments, but it is a lot of work and I don't want to get shit for it. Anyone interested?

-SamS

 

[EddieShoestring]

Maybe I will review the whole thread again and make comments, but it is a lot of work and I don't want to get shit for it. Anyone interested?SamS

as a beginner i would would be extremely grateful if you were to review the thread. I understand it is alot of work for you-but am sure that we'd all get alot out of it

thanks
eddie

 

[purcellville]

First of all might I suggest that specific methods be suggested and used to achieve specific results.
No use using a method that requires hundreds or thousands of plants when you only grow 10.

This is an area that interest me greatly. How do you efficiently go about proper selections from large pools of seeds in small batches? I have some ideas, but would love to hear of methods that are proven.

I might also suggest that people stop using intersexed plants as parents, and before you say you are not, have you stress tested them to try and make them express intersexual traits? If stress can make them express hermi traits then they have intersexed genes and should not be used, unless you want the progeny to carry the genes also.

I intentionaly allow light leaks and other stress factors to plague my grows. It is the only way to weed out the weak.

Maybe I will review the whole thread again and make comments, but it is a lot of work and I don't want to get shit for it. Anyone interested?

-SamS

I would be most interested, but it may be a painstaking effort. I would love to see a thread moderated and contributed by a few individuals such as yourself, who can properly guide beginers who want to really try at breeding. I beleive that could be a killer sticky of thread, and one I would love to participate in.

 

[Limeygreen]

If you're willing to put forth the time and effort I'm willing to listen, read and save your thoughts. Can you comment on the ratios of intersexed vs true sex plants that you have found or have knowledge of? If possible, could you estimate the likley hood of finding these plants in certain species (ie Mexican, Colombian, Afghani, Nepalese etc.) if you start from a good seed stock (not many showing intersexed traits to begin with.) What about if you start with stock that has small-medium or large ammounts of intersexed traits, how likley is it to find true sex plants in these types of populations in your expierence? Sorry to ask so many questions but you got me really interested in non intersexed plants and I want them

 

[Brastaman]

Maybe I will review the whole thread again and make comments, but it is a lot of work and I don't want to get shit for it. Anyone interested?
-SamS

^^^this would be nice. no shit slinging, i promise

rollin one up in anticipation of some nice conversation.


brasta.