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whew ... Do ibls ever lose vigour?
just you. Idiot. Well Done Asshat.XyZ said:so you are calling yourself an idiot? well done head
I know that you cannot find me any examples of any botanist calling any progeny of an inbred line an F anything.XyZ said:nice1 head - just great
so you still think "an Ibl can't be F-anything" ? ROFL
yup... but it takes many generations and a bit of bottlenecking as well, I'm sure... That's the main reason why almost all of the corn farmed is hybrid corn, the increased vigor...slips said:whew ... Do ibls ever lose vigour?
Grat3fulh3ad said:WRONG again... What about ibls which involved a parental or generational backcross? Hmmmmm? Which is most of the ibl lines out there, btw...
What does that do to your F-scheme, there?
~what are you talkin'about lol... F4 means obviously inbred 3 times (F1XF1, F2xF2, F3xF3)... and if the result is a homozygous line for the selected traits, than it's a true-breeding ibl... what else could it be, Greathead? my seeds from the blueberry now are the F5 generation and deep chunk is fn+2 ..and if i ask Sam, im sure he knows which "F" is his original skunk line. now please stop trying to convince me that my details are wrong. maybe they are in your eyes because you learned something from a corn doctor ...but that's not my problem... when i share my Cannabis seeds, i have to make clear sometimes what is what... and all understand F5 (ibl) and fn+2Grat3fulh3ad said:"F4 is NOT IBL... your details are wrong"
~what's for you a real plant breeder and what is an unreal plant? do you have corn dreams?Grat3fulh3ad said:That's why real plant breeders never call inbred lines F-anything."
~stop pushing your self in sour~milk lol...Grat3fulh3ad said:If the IBL is an IBL and consistently produces homozygous progeny, then it does not matter if it is the 6th generation from F1 or if it is the 100th"
0wnageGrat3fulh3ad said:you're such a dumbas
Grat3fulh3ad said:Once again for all of you 'short bus' people...
the only way to have an F1 is to breed two unrelated (true breeding) IBLs.
The only way to have F2s is by breeding an F1 hybrid to itself or its siblings.
The only way to have F3s by breeding an F2 hybrid to itself or its siblings.
and so on.
PeavillePride said:Until theres personnel attacks,i just see it as two people who disagree on something.I find the passion uplifting and good to know there are people who are gonna dig this deep/one way or another/to learn all they can about this subject.Some will be wrong,but its how you learn.Keep the civil info comming guys,im liking this read imo,im learning much and can decide for myself the rest through reading both sides ..Peace and stay safe,PVP
Sure... that's a nice method of keeping up with it for personal information...TomHill said:"If there is ever a backcross (parental or generational) in the breeding project, then you cannot call any of the further progeny F anything."
G-head & XYZ, its always boggled my mind, the different words we use for the same deal. I speak Allard I don't use BX, but BC. A second backcross is BC2. Inbreed these & we are at the B2F2 (lose the C) gen, & so on & so forth. This, as far as what is correct, is, as far as I know. You should have been there tonight, in the deep jungle with the dead & phish, the magic black box, & tico shroom-zoomers- it was good my bruddahs