bobblepods v2.0. bobbleracks revamped.

[GhettoGospel]

Bobble could you please elaborate on the design of your drip system. BTW, does it work?

peace

 

[AOD2012]

Ghetto, check out bobbles stats, and look at the threads he has created. He has gone over it multiple times, with multiple people chiming in on the subject. Also look at what DHF has said in the thread, both of their posts are huge sources of info.keep it green.


aod

 

[Ghudda]

Gotta admit, as a future grower myself, I feel the pain. It's pretty hard to keep track of everyone's growing methods, equipment, feeding schedules, etc. Reading through 3-4 threads 30+ pages each trying to get a good feel for an entire (ever-changing) setup is tough for a noob.

 

[DHF]

Well.....First off let me address Ghetto`s query and the answer to does the drip feed setup work ?.......Since Bobbles just hit 1 gpw regardless of still dealing with dialage issues throughout the cycle , I`d say .......uh....Yeah........

Is it dialed ?....No...Not until he`s satisfied that each and every run/rotation yr in and yr out will deliver the same crop results time after time religiously , so that`s why things change but stay the same and he`s gettin there ....bet on it.........now........

Ghudda........from a "future" growers standpoint , I applaud your research and homework that it takes before ever turning a wrench so to speak , but....

Bobble`s setup is definitely NOT "everchanging" , but rather dialing in the fine points of every aspect on environment , plant placement , feed setup , and total pkg working in harmony with medium/substrate used for dialed results across the board....so.....

With that said.....Vertical walls of nugz are not for the weak of heart or novice grower IME due to the runs under yer belt required to get past the point of actually pullin down a crop for your first time using ANY setup........

Not that it can`t be done , only that runnin bare bulbs with increased plant numbers takes a certain amount of experience to realize when things aren`t going according to plan healthwise , and then knowing what to do to adapt and change said plant health to get back on track and prevent impending total crop loss.....

This shit don`t happen overnight , and since Bobbles has been growin for 5 yrs + but only got serious in the last yr or so shows his determination and dedication to what he`s set out as goals to achieve , and believe me......

You can`t be a "Stoner" and achieve goals to any extent growin dope IME , so the 2 separate personalities of growin yer ass off for production and the small amount of down time yas have to relax and medicate are few and far between for the commitment it takes to accomplish great things in reasonably short amounts of time/10 yrs or less.........so....

Bobbles is still in dialage mode.......Ya`ll best watch out once he gets shit the way he wants it hoonin harvey after harvey set it and forget it with side by side pods monocroppin his lil ass off and......yet....

He still maintains identity in the real world while juggling portfolio tactics on the side in his spare time.....yeah rite.....spare time.....

Runs under yer belt Ghudda.....remember that.....You can read till you`re blue in the face , but breakin ground and doin it is what`s most important.......now......Get ta growin .......what`s YOUR game plan......

Peace.....Freds........

 

[bobblehead]

Heinous

I don't use the red misters - I use the green & yellow. Which red ones? Do they have a moving part? Or just a sprayer?

lol... they're sprayers... don't worry about the color, it's the same thing. I figured I need to do exactly what you guys are doing and not my interpretation... but I'm seeing the flaws in my interpretation and want to try it again! lol...

Bobble could you please elaborate on the design of your drip system. BTW, does it work?

peace

Does it work? Well it's not built yet, so I guess not... However, it's the design DHF originally gave me, +2 levels... I'll elaborate when it's done. That would make more sense, wouldn't it?

You question struck a cord with me when I read it a few days back, so I didn't reply... cause I've been in a pissy mood lately and I'm likely to rip ur throat out. I'll not repeat Krusty's errors though...

Like DHF said, my last design worked well enough to pull 4lbs and some extra smoke with 1800w of light. If the drippers hadn't clogged on a few plants, I would have been pushing 5lbs, but I didn't bring that up cause I don't live in woulda-coulda-shoulda-land. Water was delivered to every plant site, and pressure was controlled... As long as there wasn't a blockage, at the point of delivery. The weak point was the drippers in the end so they have to go.

1gpw is baby-shit, and most growers are talking about that 1 time that they came close to 1gpw... but they could never do it again. I did it on a flawed run. Not that I'm bragging. My designs work well enough to meet and even exceed many growers benchmark goals.

Gotta admit, as a future grower myself, I feel the pain. It's pretty hard to keep track of everyone's growing methods, equipment, feeding schedules, etc. Reading through 3-4 threads 30+ pages each trying to get a good feel for an entire (ever-changing) setup is tough for a noob.

Well really it's not that hard. You filter the thread by DHF's posts, and you get all of mine and his posts.. which no offense to anyone, but are the most informative in the thread. Then all the information and pictures are condensed into nothing but a few pages. If you want something, you have to do the work. Nobody read pico's, or NorthernFarmer, or yamaha_fan1, RedSpaghetti, Krusty, Heath, SoQuick, LL, Theresa, backcountry, blazeoneup, tokeoneup, *******, etc etc... 's threads for me.

My setup is evolving, not ever-changing. If you don't evolve, you're stuck in the past. As the Detroit 3. They used to be known as the Big 3.

and now this leads me into a little rant to all you millennials... Cause I'm one of the older ones, and you're all pissing me off.

Nothing comes without hard work. I'm not gonna come build this shit for you (unless you pay me a consulting fee, and my time is valuable, I have pieces of paper that cost me a bunch of money to say so). I've done countless hours of research. I paid, and have sold my ass to the federal government to be this enlightened. I have paid in time. When you were out drinking and fucking that twat that you don't even remember her name... I was reading. Maybe I was sleeping at the time, cause it was 3am after you left the bar and you were hitting that shit... but I was well rested the next day so I could read and retain the information. That's not to say that I didn't party, cause let me tell you... I was in a fraternity, and I hosted 500+ person parties at my house... and as risk management chair, I ran that shit. When the police came to my house, I dealt with them and sent them on their way. I'm over that lifestyle, cause it didn't lead anywhere. Eventually all the parties look the same. How the fuck are you supposed to impress a girl telling her how great you are... when you don't have shit to show for yourself. Who the fuck are you that you're so special?

We have the highest self esteem of any generation. Mommy and Daddy told you guys how special you are and gave you everything that they never had, and you didn't have to earn any of it. You got that shit handed to you on a silver platter. We all want to be famous. That's why Facebook, Youtube, even icmag is so big. I'm guilty of it myself. Keeping this thread strokes my ego when you guys are telling me what a great job I'm doing...

You "future growers" need to do some more work before you try stepping on the playing field with me. I've paid a lot of dues to get here, and I'm not gonna let you step on my toes. It's not as easy as plants+dirt+water+light+fertilizer= money. There's work involved.

So millennials... You have to be more like Jenna Marbles (if you don't know, look her up on youtube. I would fuck her into tomorrow. Just saying. If the opportunity presented itself.)
20% of the population in the US has a 4 year degree, but 30%+ of the millennials have a 4 year degree... 1 degree isn't gonna cut it anymore. You're gonna have to diversify, and make something of yourself. Do some work.

Grow rooms don't build themselves. I'll be gone a few more days.

 

[bobblehead]

I almost forgot...

I said I had something big... well I spent like $500 on chemistry lab glass and isomerized some thc... which means I filter that shit to CBD, THC, and CBN, (THCA was decarboxylated to THC ahead of time) and then dropped the pH to 1 with sulphuric acid and cooked it, rotatiting the CBD into THC...

Tell me Chem131&132 didn't teach me anything...

and a 47" LED tv... cause NOW I can afford to have a few nice things. I have a solid vehicle and a house already btw... I didn't buy the TV first. Got it?

 

[5th]

...looks like the stickiest of the icky bobble....literally lol

 

[Anti]

If you want something, you have to do the work. Nobody read pico's, or NorthernFarmer, or yamaha_fan1, RedSpaghetti, Krusty, Heath, SoQuick, LL, Theresa, backcountry, blazeoneup, tokeoneup, *******, etc etc... 's threads for me.

"Thou Must Needs Spread Thy Karma Around Before Attempting to Imbue it on Bobblehead again."

On that note: Guys you will learn SOOOOO MUUUUUCH if you just go through those long ass threads and read them. Here's how to know which ones to read... Go to the topic you want to learn about (vert/colosseum for example, since you're here) filter the threads by # of views and/or # of replies. Those are going to be some threads that were either influential, controversial, or both. That is where you are going to learn all the major opinions on any given subject and then form your OWN opinion. If you try to do something just like Bobble (or Heath or whoever), you need to know why he's making the choices he's making or you might not account for a variable between your setup and his that makes the crucial difference.

Knowledge must be earned. The price is reading and thinking. Get to it. (If you wanna learn quickly, take notes on the best "gems" you find so that you can review them later.)

 

[~Shhh~]

That stuff looks sick bobble, cant say I understood the chem class, but I know that looks dank!

 

[Choc]

sup bob you got them racks filled up yet or what.... i wanna see this shit rockin bro....

you takin us mofo's to school and gonna give us a lesson in cooking shit up too or you keeping all the secrets to your self...

Bobble Long Racks FTW

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Hey bobble I use camomile tea to kill or prevent damping off. Learned it on garden web. Make a cup of tea and drink it. Then take the bag and make another cup, then dilute to one gallon. Use this to water with. The tannic acid in it kills damping off. Don't know how it works with the funny tomatoes you are growing but it works for my tomatoes.

 

[Shcrews]

You "future growers" need to do some more work before you try stepping on the playing field with me. I've paid a lot of dues to get here, and I'm not gonna let you step on my toes. It's not as easy as plants+dirt+water+light+fertilizer= money. There's work involved.

Honestly, I'm not sure about the purpose of these kind of comments.

That TV does look nice though. And the oil too.

"Pride, that opposite resident to humility, is at fault for our failure as human beings to act nobly."
-B Price

keep up the good work, i'm diggin the new drip!

 

[megayields]

Is that pure THC? Or just some bomb ass oil/bidder???

That shit looks tight.

 

[Ghudda]

Well let me explain a bit where I'm coming from, since I don't mean to offend

First off, yep I'm still new. Still looking for info and answers. Some of the best information I've seen (judging on yields, automation) has been in these vert forums. I'd be naming off half the people posting to this thread as having contributed a ton to my knowledge. I literally knew nothing a couple months back. Not only are these threads chock full of information, they have a good feeling to them. People are generally in good spirits and when problems arise it's inspirational to see all the positive responses.

I saw Ghetto's post asking about the drippers and that just struck a chord with me at the time I read it. Exactly what I want to do with my first setup is to try and strike gold with at least the feeding method. If I can build a relatively useful setup that I can preferably expand upon (example, one vertical rack, one or two lights) and get the feel for using drippers, figuring out a feeding schedule, probably making a big effing mess and then cleaning that up... would be great.

I know I don't want to hand water or let plants suffocate in oxygen depriving dirt. And I'm hoping to make use of a convenient space vertically for the experience needed to go places and do things. Less power = more stealth to me. I think I share the same thoughts with more than a few posters here that the cards are just there for being able to move about... in my state having enough cards to legally grow 100+ plants is an obscene amount of cards lets just say.

Anyways I clicked the last page here and worked my way back, saw that post and said, "Shite, Bobble's changing his feeding method?" I felt defeated (lol) and posted the comment to make myself feel better, pretty much

DHF I fully intend to share my game plan once I have one. At the moment I'm determining what all equipment I want to buy with my initial outlay and trying to avoid a catastrophe by going back through threads and taking proper notes. I had a venus flytrap once, it lived awhile, then it died... I was like 8. Now I'm nearly unemployed and in my early thirties, I'll figure her out.

 

[Ghudda]

GD I'm going through so many proxy servers when I post here, won't let me edit. Also wanted to say that yes, I probably am being a baby when I open a vertical grow thread and expect to see equipment, feed schedules, nutrients used, drill bit used, hammering angle, color of growers underwear, etc. all listed on the first few pages, is just my bad.

 

[Shcrews]

Well let me explain a bit where I'm coming from, since I don't mean to offend ......

I had a venus flytrap once, it lived awhile, then it died... I was like 8. Now I'm nearly unemployed and in my early thirties, I'll figure her out.

i LOVE your attitude.. good luck growing!

 

[AOD2012]

Ahhhh Bobble, a man of my own ilk. You know, when I decided to get back into school, and stopped doing the crazy shit that was my life, many people around me thought I was copping out, and being a pussy. Haha, honestly, I spend more time on ICMAG researching, then I do anything else. I wont lie, I was one of those 15 year olds on OVERGROW back in like 2001, but I have evolved and matured.

I have spent thousands of fucking dollars on a plethora of nutrients, equipment, anything you can think of. The firs tyear of serious growing was plagued with bullshit, because instead of trying one thing and DIALING it in like Bobble and DHF say to do, I tried a million different things when one did not work.

After the 12th insane electric bill, and basically only having enough to cover that, I realied research is a huge part of this game, but implemenation and discovering what really works for YOU through trial and error is the the real name of the game.

So dont wanna jack bobbles thread(not like thats possible:smile, but yea, bobble is right, and I just wanted to chime in. KEep it green homey.


aod

 

[bobblehead]

...looks like the stickiest of the icky bobble....literally lol

Yeah bro, I don't think it gets anymore sticky than this.. ha ha... I have a lot more trim to work with, this was my first try at it.

"Thou Must Needs Spread Thy Karma Around Before Attempting to Imbue it on Bobblehead again."

On that note: Guys you will learn SOOOOO MUUUUUCH if you just go through those long ass threads and read them. Here's how to know which ones to read... Go to the topic you want to learn about (vert/colosseum for example, since you're here) filter the threads by # of views and/or # of replies. Those are going to be some threads that were either influential, controversial, or both. That is where you are going to learn all the major opinions on any given subject and then form your OWN opinion. If you try to do something just like Bobble (or Heath or whoever), you need to know why he's making the choices he's making or you might not account for a variable between your setup and his that makes the crucial difference.

Knowledge must be earned. The price is reading and thinking. Get to it. (If you wanna learn quickly, take notes on the best "gems" you find so that you can review them later.)

I appreciate you reading between the lines and adding the bits that I forgot, which make me look like less of a raving lunatic. lol

That stuff looks sick bobble, cant say I understood the chem class, but I know that looks dank!

yeah, it's not like I brought my trim to the lab... lol... but I did learn how to use all the equipment and handle the chems safely in the lab.

sup bob you got them racks filled up yet or what.... i wanna see this shit rockin bro....

you takin us mofo's to school and gonna give us a lesson in cooking shit up too or you keeping all the secrets to your self...

Bobble Long Racks FTW

I knew you hadn't gone far bro... School is in session, I'm just waiting on the clones to finish rooting. The cuts in coco are STILL not rooted... I don't have to do anything for the cuts to root in perlite, so idk what the problem is. Once they're rooted I'll give them a 1 week veg and flip.

No lessons in thc isomerization coming from me... It's a very dangerous process if you don't know what you're doing, you could blow yourself up with the petroleum ether, or burn yourself with the sulfuric acid. I'm not gonna be responsible for that.

I'll post the instructions I used though... I used Naphtha (petroleum ether) for the whole process, no acetone or alcohol.

TETRAHYDROCANNABINOL (THC)
found in marijuana, the psychoactive stuff
prop: bp 200 C @ 0.02mm Hg (other cannabinoids may have bp's lower than 185 C)
sol: polar solvents, acetone, alcohol’s, etc.
note: this is an oily substance, not water soluble

Well it is time to get on with the extraction of tetrahydrocannabinol and the conversion processes.....

A LIST OF LABWARE:

1 CONDENSER 300 MM JACKET
1 FLASK, FLORENCE (FLAT BOTTOM), 500 Ml
1 SEPARATORY FUNNEL 500 Ml
1 FUNNEL
FILTER PAPER
A LIST OF CHEMICALS THAT YOU WILL NEED:
ETHYL ALCOHOL / METHANOL (wood alcohol)
SULFURIC ACID (Concentrate 96 to 98 %(you can use a weaker acid but the delta-9 conversion is greater with the stronger sulphuric acid)).
TOLUENE
WATER
SODIUM BICARBONATE (baking soda)

NOTE: The most easy to find solvent for the extraction of the THC from the plant matter, is denatured alcohol which is ethyl alcohol that has been made Poisson with methanol (sunny side is a good brand of denatured alcohol). Methanol can cause blindness and death ! So don’t drink this stuff, and make sure when you separate the layers as described later on in this process, you don’t get any of the alcohol solvent layer in with the toluene layer.
Well, now that we have gathered all these solvents and glass ware, we will have some of the best hash oil in about 8 hours that you will ever find. So on to the process of extracting and izmerizing the cannabis essence.


STEP #1
You must dry your plant matter to a state where it will crumble into a fine powder.

TIP use your microwave oven, heat the plant matter for 1 to 2 min at a time then let cool, do this till it is completely dry. To crumble the plant matter, place it in a 1 gallon plastic zip-lock bag and proceed to crush it with your hands. This works very well.

STEP #2
Place the powdered plant matter into your 500 Ml flat-bottomed flask.


STEP #3
Add enough denatured alcohol solvent to completely cover the plant matter, so that it floats freely in the solvent.

STEP #4
Connect your condenser to the flask. (Connecting the condenser to a water source).

STEP #5
Now, slowly heat the solvent / plant matter to reflux. Let this reflux for about two hours.

STEP #6
Turn the heat off your reflux equipment, let every thing cool down to room temperature.

STEP #7
Remove the condenser from the flask.

STEP #8
Now add your sulfuric acid to the solvent / plant matter solution, use one drop sulfuric acid per 50 ML solvent used.

STEP #9
Replace your condenser to your flask and heat to reflux once more, leave it at reflux for 4 more hours.

Note: this is where all the magic takes place.

STEP #10
turn off heat, let every thing cool to room temperature.

Note: The alcohol will have a dark black color at this point, it will seem to be almost thick.

STEP #11
Neutralize the alcohol with sodium bicarbonate.(baking soda)

Tip: When it stops fizzing you will have a neutral or slightly basic solution.

STEP #12
Filter the solvent from the plant matter with the use of your funnel and filter paper.

Note: If you are going to be doing a lot of oil production you should get a filter flask, aspirator and a buchner funnel. See the watchers chemistry works for information on filtering.

STEP #13
Add as much water as you have alcohol/THC extract.

Note: Toluene mixes with alcohol in all parts so you will not be able to separate the alcohol/toluene layers if you don’t add this water.

STEP #14
Add about 1/3 as much toluene as you have alcohol/water to your flask.

STEP #15
Mix all this well for about 30 seconds.

Note 1: As the THC dose not want to stay in the alcohol/water layer it will move with ease into the toluene layer.

STEP #16
Now use your separatory funnel to sperate the two layers. (see the watchers chemistry works for information on this procedure.)

Note: The toluene/THC layer will be on top. Also the bottom layer should be a light green color.

Important: If the bottom layer still has a black color you should do steps #14 to # 16 one more time, but once is usually enough.

STEP #17
Evaporate the toluene/THC layer till you can no longer smell any trace of toluene.

Note: when the toluene has evaporated you will have left in the bottom of your glass baking dish a black oil with a slight spice smell.

Well people, there you have it the over night process for the extraction/manufacture of some of the finest hash oil anywhere.

Hey bobble I use camomile tea to kill or prevent damping off. Learned it on garden web. Make a cup of tea and drink it. Then take the bag and make another cup, then dilute to one gallon. Use this to water with. The tannic acid in it kills damping off. Don't know how it works with the funny tomatoes you are growing but it works for my tomatoes.

Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

Honestly, I'm not sure about the purpose of these kind of comments.

That TV does look nice though. And the oil too.

"Pride, that opposite resident to humility, is at fault for our failure as human beings to act nobly."
-B Price

keep up the good work, i'm diggin the new drip!

Thanks bro. I'm not trying to be cocky... I could have said it a little less aggressively, but that's just my personality and it's something I've had to work on for a long time, and am still working on. My point about not jumping on the field with me... was that my playing field, and yours and the other experienced growers... Isn't an easy one to play on and the knocks come hard. If you're not ready, you'll be listing your equipment on craigslist and ebay for me to buy @ $110 a ballast.

I have growers with no experience questioning my design... They haven't grown 1 plant let alone more than 100... RJ99 is the perfect example of a new grower trying to take on large numbers for his first grow. I'm happy for him that he's making it happen, but he should have started smaller and I think he knows that now.

Is that pure THC? Or just some bomb ass oil/bidder???

That shit looks tight.

pure delta 9 THC brother... a little CBN and other inactive stuff, but it should be 90%+ THC.

Well let me explain a bit where I'm coming from, since I don't mean to offend

First off, yep I'm still new. Still looking for info and answers. Some of the best information I've seen (judging on yields, automation) has been in these vert forums. I'd be naming off half the people posting to this thread as having contributed a ton to my knowledge. I literally knew nothing a couple months back. Not only are these threads chock full of information, they have a good feeling to them. People are generally in good spirits and when problems arise it's inspirational to see all the positive responses.

I saw Ghetto's post asking about the drippers and that just struck a chord with me at the time I read it. Exactly what I want to do with my first setup is to try and strike gold with at least the feeding method. If I can build a relatively useful setup that I can preferably expand upon (example, one vertical rack, one or two lights) and get the feel for using drippers, figuring out a feeding schedule, probably making a big effing mess and then cleaning that up... would be great.

I know I don't want to hand water or let plants suffocate in oxygen depriving dirt. And I'm hoping to make use of a convenient space vertically for the experience needed to go places and do things. Less power = more stealth to me. I think I share the same thoughts with more than a few posters here that the cards are just there for being able to move about... in my state having enough cards to legally grow 100+ plants is an obscene amount of cards lets just say.

Anyways I clicked the last page here and worked my way back, saw that post and said, "Shite, Bobble's changing his feeding method?" I felt defeated (lol) and posted the comment to make myself feel better, pretty much

DHF I fully intend to share my game plan once I have one. At the moment I'm determining what all equipment I want to buy with my initial outlay and trying to avoid a catastrophe by going back through threads and taking proper notes. I had a venus flytrap once, it lived awhile, then it died... I was like 8. Now I'm nearly unemployed and in my early thirties, I'll figure her out.

Thanks for explaining bro... I didn't mean to be as aggressive as I was... but I'm under a lot of pressure right now with school, work, and the grow. I easily work 80hs a week between the 3.

That's my point behind my last post... I work very hard to make these things happen. I suggest that when you get started, you do some basic weed donuts or a bare bulb stadium first. I grew for 4 years before I decided to go big. I didn't put nearly as much effort into my gardens as I do now, and the extra effort shows.

The only state I know of that you can legally grow like I do.... is umm... none of them? Balls to the walls! Just don't get caught.

I guess I could have left it at that... ha ha... Early 30's huh? I guess that makes you more of a genX type... And if that's the case, well you probably have what it takes to make it happen. lol... Good luck.

Ahhhh Bobble, a man of my own ilk. You know, when I decided to get back into school, and stopped doing the crazy shit that was my life, many people around me thought I was copping out, and being a pussy. Haha, honestly, I spend more time on ICMAG researching, then I do anything else. I wont lie, I was one of those 15 year olds on OVERGROW back in like 2001, but I have evolved and matured.

I have spent thousands of fucking dollars on a plethora of nutrients, equipment, anything you can think of. The firs tyear of serious growing was plagued with bullshit, because instead of trying one thing and DIALING it in like Bobble and DHF say to do, I tried a million different things when one did not work.

After the 12th insane electric bill, and basically only having enough to cover that, I realied research is a huge part of this game, but implemenation and discovering what really works for YOU through trial and error is the the real name of the game.

So dont wanna jack bobbles thread(not like thats possible:smile, but yea, bobble is right, and I just wanted to chime in. KEep it green homey.


aod

Thanks bro. Still waiting to see what you have going on...

 

[LouDog420]

watch out sniffing too much of that toulene.... sure you already know that though bobble

Looks like some gooey goodness despite the aromatic hydrocarbons

 

[bobblehead]

watch out sniffing too much of that toulene.... sure you already know that though bobble

Looks like some gooey goodness despite the aromatic hydrocarbons

lol... I purged the oil in the oven at 250F for like 8hs... It took a lot to get the petroleum ether out, cause the boiling point is so much higher than butane... The BP of THC is 385F, so purification isn't that difficult... IF you know what you're doing.