testuser123
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Makes sense to me? The entire purpose of this forum is to discuss strains. That is what I am doing.
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Blueberry F5, all sterile males
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testuser123
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Flowered to complete fruition, literally rubbed mature open male flowers (bananas) on known viable female pistils. 0 seeds. 0 pollen.
testuser123
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Haha, well said. Fair enough. You are right, I am no expert, and perhaps my understanding for the art of breeding is simple. I am however rightfully disappointed, there was no mention of sterility on the product description. I did read about it occurring on past forums in 2017, but thought maybe it was a fluke. Based on the number of sterile males being reported, I thought hey I need to say something so others can be warned.
Sure ,
but i repeat , for ME it' s strange to come here on a first post and start to argue like that , just my feeling ...
perhaps was better to come here before your buy and ask about ,
talk with your goals and attempt for this strain ,
i have nothing after you , but i can just imagine you did subscribe a lot of forum for made a big show from your disapointment ,
i understand the deception is big , but for me all of this is just too much a drama for pretty nothing ...
i didn' t succeed at made seeds at my first try ,
but now i know it' s just my fault ...
so ley' s go to the subject :
3 males , but how many female ?
did you made an open pollination or handbrush pollination ?
testuser123
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no, reversal is not something i have ever attempted. is this done with applying chemical?
testuser123
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Fair nuff. After seeing some more info about the strain heritage my tone has changed, I have edited the post.Sure ,
but i repeat , for ME it' s strange to come here on a first post and start to argue like that , just my feeling ...
perhaps was better to come here before your buy and ask about ,
talk with your goals and attempt for this strain ,
i have nothing after you , but i can just imagine you did subscribe a lot of forum for made a big show from your disapointment ,
i understand the deception is big , but for me all of this is just too much a drama for pretty nothing ...
i didn' t succeed at made seeds at my first try ,
but now i know it' s just my fault ...
so ley' s go to the subject :
3 males , but how many female ?
did you made an open pollination or handbrush pollination ?
My goal was simple, to create a blueberry hybrid!
Surely I can take a more proactive approach in the future, good point.
This is not my first attempt at breeding/hybrid creation. I have created several in the past. I also used to have his book, but it is out of print now and has been lost in a move.
testuser123
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Creating sterile offspring in plants does not require genetic modification. Look up Polyploid Cannabis.Wondering if it might be genetically modified for it.......
Edit: lololol did not know the history before, the gmo thought is silly.
yes sir !
TyroneShoelace
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Damn right it's the buyer's responsibility. Caveat emptor, friend.
Understand that this "surprise" is due to a lack of knowledge of the purchaser and not because of anything the breeder has done. You really expect cannabis breeders to leave a disclaimer with every wild potential outcome like they do on prescription drugs? That's absurd.
Spending money does not automatically guarantee quality according to your specific standards. If you are going to spend your hard earned money on a fancy dinner and you don't like how it tastes, take the lesson and go somewhere else next time. Don't go on the internet and bash the chef. That is supreme entitlement.
Absolutely you have every right to be disappointed. But understand that you will rightfully criticized for your response to that disappointment. You are pointing your fingers in the wrong direction. It's one thing to drop cash, be disappointed in the outcome, and walk away with a lesson. But it's wholly unreasonable to feel entitled to a specific outcome simply because the cash was spent, and it is shameful to resort to broadly trashing someone's work and reputation based on the same misplaced expectations.
Y'all are something else. Throwing your money around without a care in the world until something doesn't go your way. And when shit goes differently than expected... tantrums.
Who wants to buy a bridge? I have a few available for a cool $150. I take paypal. No refunds.
Good for marketing, right
150 dollars for bag of Blueberry seeds ..”Buyer Beware”
Do you think DJ should put red ”Buyer beware” tag on his BlueBerry f5 web page? LOL
TyroneShoelace
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"The art of deflection"
revegeta666
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Of course I don't expect that, where did I say I would expect a disclaimer for every potential outcome? That has nothing to do with what we are saying here. JUST SAYING, if a cross comes with a particularity so unusual as having sterile males, which is very unexpected and in my case unheard of, i don't think it would be crazy in this particular case to have a little quote saying "not recommended for breeding".
You quoted me but I don't see where I bashed anyone. It is not entitled to have a discussion on the internet about a product. What is weird is trying to shut down attempts at having a conversation because you got personally offended that a company to whom you are giving money, could be criticized in any way. People who release a product to the public are subject to criticism, and forums are made for free discussion on these things. Again JUST SAYING, if that's ok with you, If I think $150 is too expensive for a pack of seeds, this is a valid opinion and not bashing in any way. If I was surprised that sterile males come in an expensive seed pack, it is because this is very unusual and worth commenting on it, again not bashing.
Entitlement would be to expect everyone to shut up because you can't cope with people criticising things you like
DJ Short has been around for a long time and produced some of the best known varieties, like Blueberry, Calling him a 'bad breeder' is a bit ridiculous... but at the same time, Blueberry is very well known for having a variety of problems and many people are disappointed with their expensive seeds... i think anyone who had done their research and was realistic would be prepared for the possibility of being disappointed if they had decided to drop $150 on them anyway...
I would advise the OP to reverse his favorite females and make seeds that way.. especially if there are recurring sterile males in the line.
I did find a sterile male in the my BlueDigiBerry line once... but that is one out of many decent ones ive had.
VG
I would advise the OP to reverse his favorite females and make seeds that way.. especially if there are recurring sterile males in the line.
I did find a sterile male in the my BlueDigiBerry line once... but that is one out of many decent ones ive had.
VG
TyroneShoelace
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Shutting down conversation? What the hell do you think this exchange of ideas has been? Miss me with that nonsense.Of course I don't expect that, where did I say I would expect a disclaimer for every potential outcome? That has nothing to do with what we are saying here. JUST SAYING, if a cross comes with a particularity so unusual as having sterile males, which is very unexpected and in my case unheard of, i don't think it would be crazy in this particular case to have a little quote saying "not recommended for breeding".
You quoted me but I don't see where I bashed anyone. It is not entitled to have a discussion on the internet about a product. What is weird is trying to shut down attempts at having a conversation because you got personally offended that a company to whom you are giving money, could be criticized in any way. People who release a product to the public are subject to criticism, and forums are made for free discussion on these things. Again JUST SAYING, if that's ok with you, If I think $150 is too expensive for a pack of seeds, this is a valid opinion and not bashing in any way. If I was surprised that sterile males come in an expensive seed pack, it is because this is very unusual and worth commenting on it, again not bashing.
Entitlement would be to expect everyone to shut up because you can't cope with people criticising things you like
Anyways, I realize nuance, context and comprehension can be difficult on the internet, so for the uninitiated I will summarize, for the last time... OP committed the primary offense and did the bashing. You and others justified it. Though my message was mainly for OP, it was overall a collective one for anyone else who thinks this behavior is acceptable.
There's nothing wrong with sharing experiences and disappointment. That is what normal people to do help educate others. If OP had any respect for their hard-earned money, they would have read some of those experiences before taking the plunge. But, that aside, the experience and the disappointment is understandable. Yet, that's the line where OP's legitimate constructive criticism ended. From there it was all a baseless BS hit piece which exposed a lot more about OP than DJ.
That said, you clearly disagree, and you are free to express that opinion. Others are free to support that. And I am free to call bullshit. Welcome to the real world. Might want to look in the mirror before casting stones. But based on your attitude, you would just blame the mirror for how you look and ask that someone write "not recommended for reflecting" on it.
Me too.
TyroneShoelace
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I have encountered my fair share of sterile males in his Floral lines, but I have also made some awesome crosses with other males in the exact same lines. Genetics can be a crapshoot. Sometimes shit goes well. Sometimes it doesn't.
BTW there was a recent run of his book if you want to add it back to your collection.
revegeta666
Not ICMag Donor
You can keep acting as condescending as you want if that's what you need to do to protect your feelings, but it doesn't make you right. Maybe you can try to defend your point like adults do iN tHe rEaL w0rLd instead of wasting everyone's time with your undeserved superior attitude. Your mirror comparison is just plain stupid and unrelated to the discussion in any way, and the kind of argument an 8 year old would make.
TyroneShoelace
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My apologies for hurting your feelings. It's hard to not be condescending when people cling so hard to self-defeating ideals and willfully ignore the bigger picture. It's funny that even OP got the message and here you are clinging to your pride. But it's your money. Enjoy all your future disappointment.
Feel free to take this to PM if you want to talk further.
revegeta666
Not ICMag Donor
Yea hurting my feelings... mhm... yep yep
After having a look at your thread, I’m so sorry but I have to question your authority on anything related to cannabis ok? xD Please don’t get offended again, but I don’t think I could grow plants that looked like that even if I did it on purpose. Reading how pretentious you are, one would expect to see first class plants in your thread. Had I seen how you grow I would have never wasted a second arguing with you lmfao, let alone taking it to the PMs. You can keep preaching, please don't let me interrupt you.
I would recommend you do indeed buy DJ short's growing book. And probably a flamethrower as well
