Blueberry F5, all sterile males

[testuser123]

I just wanted to let anyone know that I am another person who bought DJ Short blueberry F5 and had all sterile males. I reached out to see if DJ would reconcile and was basically told nope.

Based on the number of sterile males I am reading about in DJ shorts line, I am starting to think this is an intentional "feature". A lot of old school breeders seem to think that their genetics are being "stolen" as they are the building blocks for a lot of more modern strains. In attempt to prevent this, they are creating sterile lines.

Personally, I am very bummed out. I thought that someone with OWG popularity would be a stand up guy, but it seems like he is just another strain hoarder.

Overrated, bad breeder. Anyone who knows any basics about breeding, knows that unstable offspring that are sterile are not "characteristics of fine cannabis". That is just a copout.

Don't waste your money on Old World Genetics, aka unstable genetics.

Be warned, sterility in males is common in the Blueberry line.

UPDATE:

Received some solid feedback from a few of y'all, apparently the sterility in the Blueberry line may be attributed to it ancestral Highland Thai.

Below is a quote apparently from DJ Short the breeder.

"The primary drawback to growing the Highland Thai, after its leafiness, was its hermaphroditism. Though few seeds were found, and plants grown from the seeds produced only minor quantities of seed, all of the product was hermaphroditic. Also, many of the male flowers were sterile on some of the plants, or on certain parts of certain plants."

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

Wondering if it might be genetically modified for it.......

Edit: lololol did not know the history before, the gmo thought is silly.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Someone needs to teach our local hemp farmers to do this.

 

[revegeta666]

How many sterile males did you get? If done on purpose, this would be disgraceful and would guarantee that I will never buy seeds from people who do that. If I paid for the seeds, I will reproduce them or cross them or eat them or piss on them or whatever I want. Like seeds are not expensive enough as it is right?

 

[regseeds]

Overrated, bad breeder. Anyone who knows any basics about breeding, knows that unstable offspring that are sterile are not "characteristics of fine cannabis". That is just a copout.

Don't waste your money on Old World Genetics, aka unstable genetics.

Bad breeder, because you was told nope. That's a new one

I can tell you're new here.

 

[bibi40]

A bit strange to join a forum just for complain on a first post ....
strange username too ...

 

[xet]

Tis why I always recommend real landrace seeds from https://kwikseeds.com

 

[goingrey]

How did you verify their sterility?

 

[bibi40]

How did you verify their sterility?

I' m really unsure anything was verified ,
lol

 

[Cakeboy]

did you try reversing the males to make sure all the females aren't sterile too?

 

[SUPER_HAZE]

I have already read more times about sterile males in this strain...

DJ Short Blueberry...very disappointed

First I have to say that my experience is not due to grower error. I have grown somewhere between 100-150 strains and don't make amateur mistakes like light leaks, overwatering/feeding, bad temp, etc. My recent seed run of Gorilla Biscuit and Harlesin produced 100% germination from 26 seeds and...

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[TyroneShoelace]

I just wanted to let anyone know that I am another person who bought DJ Short blueberry F5 and had all sterile males. I reached out to see if DJ would reconcile and was basically told nope.

Based on the number of sterile males I am reading about in DJ shorts line, I am starting to think this is an intentional "feature". A lot of old school breeders seem to think that their genetics are being "stolen" as they are the building blocks for a lot of more modern strains. In attempt to prevent this, they are creating sterile lines.

Personally, I am very bummed out. I thought that someone with OWG popularity would be a stand up guy, but it seems like he is just another strain hoarder.

Overrated, bad breeder. Anyone who knows any basics about breeding, knows that unstable offspring that are sterile are not "characteristics of fine cannabis". That is just a copout.

Don't waste your money on Old World Genetics, aka unstable genetics.

I understand your disappointment, but DJ has been quite open about this trait in his lines. He's been nothing but honest about what he offers. It's interesting that you want to lecture him on "the basics of breeding" when you failed to perform the most basic research into the parental lines you were about to "breed".

As much as I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, I am going to trust a proven breeder who has been collecting and sharing his work for the past 50 years, over a reactionary post from a brand new account with no post history, a novice understanding of the science, and a simplistic vision of the art of breeding.

 

[revegeta666]

I understand your disappointment, but DJ has been quite open about this trait in his lines. He's been nothing but honest about what he offers. It's interesting that you want to lecture him on "the basics of breeding" when you failed to perform the most basic research into the parental lines you were about to "breed".

As much as I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, I am going to trust a proven breeder who has been collecting and sharing his work for the past 50 years, over a reactionary post from a brand new account with no post history, a novice understanding of the science, and a simplistic vision of the art of breeding.

What did he say about the sterile males?
Thanks

 

[TyroneShoelace]

What did he say about the sterile males?
Thanks

He has frequently mentioned that sterile plants (particularly males) are one of many genetic abnormalities that exist in his lines. Here's a great place to start reading about the Blues', their heirloom roots, and about DJ's breeding philosophy before setting any expectations about what should be. In short, "The quality of the finished product" is his primary focus and all else comes second.

DJ speaks directly to the Highland Thai parent, saying:

Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis

The primary drawback to growing the Highland Thai, after its leafiness, was its hermaphroditism. Though few seeds were found, and plants grown from the seeds produced only minor quantities of seed, all of the product was hermaphroditic. Also, many of the male flowers were sterile on some of the plants, or on certain parts of certain plants.

He has also spoken about entire projects he has scrapped due to sterility:

DJ Short On Breeding

Unfortunately, the "Flodica" (and the "True Blue Moonshine") were nearly sterile–i.e. no (or very few) seeds developed, and were therefore culled.

DJ has an entire section of his book dedicated to his criteria for selecting a male. And sterility is not a part of that for, what I hope are, obvious reasons at this point.

He even bred with a "semi-sterile male" in more (1) than (2) one (3) of his recent releases.

And beyond DJ's own words, there are plenty of experiences on the web where people have learned the hard way as well. OP needs to take some ownership over their choice to purchase gear, for the purpose of reproduction, without doing any research.

 

[Douglas.Curtis]

 

[goingrey]

He has frequently mentioned that sterile plants (particularly males) are one of many genetic abnormalities that exist in his lines. Here's a great place to start reading about the Blues', their heirloom roots, and about DJ's breeding philosophy before setting any expectations about what should be. In short, "The quality of the finished product" is his primary focus and all else comes second.

DJ speaks directly to the Highland Thai parent, saying:




He has also spoken about entire projects he has scrapped due to sterility:




DJ has an entire section of his book dedicated to his criteria for selecting a male. And sterility is not a part of that for, what I hope are, obvious reasons at this point.

He even bred with a "semi-sterile male" in more (1) than (2) one (3) of his recent releases.

And beyond DJ's own words, there are plenty of experiences on the web where people have learned the hard way as well. OP needs to take some ownership over their choice to purchase gear, for the purpose of reproduction, without doing any research.

Great info, thanks.

I don't agree with your last statement though. If you buy a pack of regular seeds for $150 it's an unfair expectation that you need to research the forums on if the males in the line are sterile.

 

[TyroneShoelace]

Great info, thanks.

I don't agree with your last statement though. If you buy a pack of regular seeds for $150 it's an unfair expectation that you need to research the forums on if the males in the line are sterile.

If you are comfortable assuming that every single breeder on the planet who sells >$100 packs shares your exact perception of quality, more power to you. If I'm spending any significant amount of money on a product or service, I'm going to do the bare minimum to make sure my expectations are somewhere in the ballpark of realistic. To each their own, though.

 

[GoatCheese]

OP needs to take some ownership over their choice to purchase gear, for the purpose of reproduction, without doing any research.

BB is said to be about 80% indica on his site but it’s the Thai that ruins the line ...rather funny when you think about it.
..And it’s the buyer’s responsibility be aware of the problematic Thai when they make a purchase of 80% indica??! To me that’s a bit of fan boy-logic

You don’t think that it’s DJ’s responsibility to mention this fact on the strain description when his BB F5 seeds cost close to 150 dollars? When you go to his web page for bbf5, or to shops that are selling his seeds, sterile plants are not mentioned

Personally, i would never buy seeds costing that much if i’d know the genetics are that dodgy.

 

[revegeta666]

BB is said to be about 80% indica on his site but it’s the Thai that ruins the line ...rather funny when you think about it.
..And it’s the buyer’s responsibility be aware of the problematic Thai when they make a purchase of 80% indica??! To me that’s a bit of fan boy-logic

You don’t think that it’s DJ’s responsibility to mention this fact on the strain description when his BB F5 seeds cost close to 150 dollars? When you go to his web page for bbf5, or to shops that are selling his seeds, sterile plants are not mentioned

Personally, i would never buy seeds costing that much if i’d know the genetics are that dodgy.

I was gonna say, 150 dollars is expensive enough for the seeds to come with a "surprise" lol

 

[regseeds]

I was gonna say, 150 dollars is expensive enough for the seeds to come with a "surprise" lol

DJ is 40 years deep in the game. He's selling himself short. If you tallied up his time, $150 is cheap. Excuse the pun.

If you can do better? It begs the question, why don't you make your own seedline?

You smell like an armchair pundit, with so many options today. Your choice is to act like a bitch. Damn son!