Blue residue on nail after dab

[SteelyMcKush]

Never seen anything look like this after a dab. Happened last two hits.

The nail is a few months old. Is this something wrong with the nail maybe oxidizing or something in the oil?

What you guys think?

 

[Gelado`]

Did you use a torch lighter? Looks like you anodized the metal.

 

[analogcricket]

did you use butane or propane to heat your nail?

propane heats up hotter than butane causing your nail to degrade after time.

 

[Elements001]

That's a Ti nail right? Only ask cause it looks pretty damn shiny for being a few months old. Mine has more of a greyish/charcoalish look to it. Even the outside even looks like a dull grey.

Have you recently refinished the nail in anyway?

 

[SteelyMcKush]

I used a vector butane torch.

Yup it's a titanium nail. Never refinished the nail or anything, I think its shiny because I had the flash on to show the blue.

Both hits tasted fine and when I reheated the nail between hits all the residue and colour burned off and it looked normal. I think I have been heating my nails way to hot, I had a quartz nail crack in half the other day and now this. I normally get the whole head of the nail fairly red hot, then let it cool to a dull glow before dabbing it in.

Should I tried to heat it up to clean it again, and should I continue to hit it?

 

[SmokinErb22]

Nail doesn't even need to be glowing. Heat it until its just barely glowing, then let it cool a bit before dabbing.

 

[Elements001]

yeah, i usually dim or turn of the lights, and wait till I barely see a glow on a corner on mine. Youd be surprised how big of a dab you can take off a nail thats not glowing. If you burn everything off the nail with every dab you lose its season. when you get it to just the right temp and dab it gets like a little coating, (kinda like a on grill). It actually improves taste by reducing contact with the actual Ti imo

 

[SmokinErb22]

^ I'm still trying to learn the right temp for mine. Just got my first dome set-up a couple weeks ago. Upgraded to a Ti nail a few days after I got it. I noticed a huge difference in my first and 2nd dab - 2nd was much hotter and harsher and a loss of flavor.

How do you keep a season layer on though, wouldn't it just burn/vape off when you heat the nail?

 

[Elements001]

Not if you heat it up to just the right temp. That and I usualy dont point the torch at the cupped part where the concentrate goes in. I usually point the torch at the side of the nail, with a slight downward angle towards the rim of the nail. Once the top of the rim gets a little red I take the heat away and its good. I kept burning my season off overheating. It took me awhile, but now I get my nail exactly where it needs to be. I can even dial in the temp for what size dab and what kind of concentrate. Works pretty well.

You may lose a few dabs with under heated nail hits, but you'll find that sweet spot. I love it when I get the nail perfect and I watch the wax melt and puddle for a moment before completely vaping off. I feel you get better hits with more air mixed in, making it easier on the lungs too. Less heat is more sometimes.

 

[Gray Wolf]

The blue appears to be Titanium dioxide, which would only be possible if your nail is not yet seasoned. How did you season it?

I season my new nails by repeatedly heating them to bright orange red and letting them cool in the atmosphere so as to form an inert alpha case of Titanium Dioxide and Titanium Nitrites on the surface.

When I use my nail, I heat it to a bright orange red often, to reduce any organics to CO2, and then let it cool down to sub red before using. In between super heating, I heat to red and let it lose all color before dabbing. If you experiment starting with delays from the red loss point, it is easy to find your sweet spot.

 

[SteelyMcKush]

The blue appears to be Titanium dioxide, which would only be possible if your nail is not yet seasoned. How did you season it?

I season my new nails by repeatedly heating them to bright orange red and letting them cool in the atmosphere so as to form an inert alpha case of Titanium Dioxide and Titanium Nitrites on the surface.

When I use my nail, I heat it to a bright orange red often, to reduce any organics to CO2, and then let it cool down to sub red before using. In between super heating, I heat to red and let it lose all color before dabbing. If you experiment starting with delays from the red loss point, it is easy to find your sweet spot.

So what is Titanium dioxide and how bad is that for you?

I don't think I have ever properly seasoned the nail, I tried putting some reclaim on it once when it was cooling off.

So you think I should just turn up my vector full blast and let it get bright orange hot and it should be good to go?

Last night I heated it up to a nice glow not fully red and just let it cool off without dabbing and looked normal, this morning I just took a dab and it left blue again.

 

[Elements001]

I've seen people repeatedly heat up their nail bright orange, then dunking it in water to cool it off. They do this several times to burn off the polish on the nails, which is what I have always believed the blue color to be, the polish reacting to the heat. Titanium Dioxide is more of a whitish color, similar to what mine looks like I believe. After dunking several times they would use a bunch of reclaim or dirty bho to season the nail. Just basically heating it up and putting a fat dab on it and letting everything kinda seep into the nail. The only problem I see with getting the nail bright orange everytime is that I seem to burn off everything on the nail, and the harshness comes back. That's why I like just heating my nail up to a certain point and not past it.

It's not good for you, but I dont think it's something to worry about unless your getting the nail so hot the Ti O2 atomizes and becomes vaporized while your inhaling the dab. I don't think it's ever a good idea to dab anything off a bright red/orange nail. It even tasted really off to me and made me cough like nothing before.

I believe titanium dioxide is actually used as a coloring agent or something like that in food products. Eating it is very different from breathing it in though.

Just tossing ideas out there.

 

[cyphaman]

could be under-purged oil. If you hit dabs fairly hot (full instant flash vaporization) then oil with higher residual ppm of butane or other hydrocarbons could leave carbon soot upon combustion.

I was getting oil that was fine for months, then noticed this. It would leave huge bubbles of carbon soot behind if I hit a big one. And the smell afterwards, foul petrol smell...

So... I did some purging, and spent months trying to convince myself it wasn't butane...but, it was. Hope this helps.

 

[cyphaman]

After a few hours in the vac, it came out as shatter instead of sap. and tasted and burned phenomenally well.

 

[SteelyMcKush]

I should note that I just recently ran out of the oil from my first bud run which came out to a decent shatter and am onto my second blast ground stuff which is a sap.

I vacuumed the sap just as long as first run, but maybe its possible its fats or something showing up on the nail.

Or maybe I should vacing it futher and seeing if it helps like you cyphaman

 

[SmokinErb22]

Thanks for sharing @Elements001 and Gray Wolf. Always happy to learn from someone else's experience. Almost out of oils now, but I got a harvest coming in a week or two so I'll definitely be finding my sweet spot then.

 

[Gray Wolf]

So what is Titanium dioxide and how bad is that for you?

I don't think I have ever properly seasoned the nail, I tried putting some reclaim on it once when it was cooling off.

So you think I should just turn up my vector full blast and let it get bright orange hot and it should be good to go?

Last night I heated it up to a nice glow not fully red and just let it cool off without dabbing and looked normal, this morning I just took a dab and it left blue again.

A titanium atom and two oxygens. Relatively inert, and is what most white paint pigment is made of.

More a matter of taste. Hot Titanium tastes like hot Titanium.

Until you fully react the surface Titanium, it will continue to react.

 

[SteelyMcKush]

A titanium atom and two oxygens. Relatively inert, and is what most white paint pigment is made of.

More a matter of taste. Hot Titanium tastes like hot Titanium.

Until you fully react the surface Titanium, it will continue to react.

So you're saying I should just get it as red hot as possible a few times in a row?

I tried superheating it yesterday once, then put a ton of reclaim on it after, but the blue is still coming thru.

 

[Gray Wolf]

I've seen people repeatedly heat up their nail bright orange, then dunking it in water to cool it off. They do this several times to burn off the polish on the nails, which is what I have always believed the blue color to be, the polish reacting to the heat. Titanium Dioxide is more of a whitish color, similar to what mine looks like I believe. After dunking several times they would use a bunch of reclaim or dirty bho to season the nail. Just basically heating it up and putting a fat dab on it and letting everything kinda seep into the nail. The only problem I see with getting the nail bright orange everytime is that I seem to burn off everything on the nail, and the harshness comes back. That's why I like just heating my nail up to a certain point and not past it.

It's not good for you, but I dont think it's something to worry about unless your getting the nail so hot the Ti O2 atomizes and becomes vaporized while your inhaling the dab. I don't think it's ever a good idea to dab anything off a bright red/orange nail. It even tasted really off to me and made me cough like nothing before.

I believe titanium dioxide is actually used as a coloring agent or something like that in food products. Eating it is very different from breathing it in though.

Just tossing ideas out there.

Titanium itself is not inert, it is so highly reactive that a ribbon of it will burn like magnesium, or zirconium.

If you take a strip of perfectly cleaned Commercially Pure Titanium and heat in the atmosphere, it will first turn vivid gold at about 100 ppm contamination, move to vivid red, then to electric blue, and finally to dull grey, as it reacts with everything, starting with Nitrogen. Titanium Nitrites are bright gold.

The vivid electric colors is one of the most notable things about Titanium. The electric blue is a perfect example.

What you have on the seasoned nail, is a mixture of colors that add up to dull grey.

Once you apply oil, it will also form Titanium Carbides, if any surface remains un-reacted.

The whole purpose of seasoning the nail, is to develop a highly inert surface to vaporize from, that doesn't add its own flavor, like for instance glass does.

If you don't periodically heat the Titanium hotter than the disassociation point of the organics that we dab on them, they build up. That is the hard porous material that accumulates on the bottom after extended use. Exactly the same principle as a self cleaning oven...............

As far as dabbing at bright orange, as I noted, I let it cool back down sub red before using. Not only does it taste better, but the aromatic hydrocarbons that we are dabbing on it are flammable and can be ignited.

I haven't, but many of ya'll may remember the U-Tube of that, which went around a few years past.

 

[SteelyMcKush]

GW how long do you keep the nail head orange hot when superheating it. I just tried getting mine as hot as I could three times in a row.

About to try a dab, hoping theres no gold or blue residue where the dab vaporizes.