Blatent election fraud thread

[eugenegreen]

thank god for the english language

 

[Hammerhead]

According to the video I watched there was a bunch of people in the parking lot and shots were just fired when he shot the bag dude so yes a mob of people were there and targeting Rittenhouse.

Im not surprised you will always find an excuse. He will do time.

 

['Boogieman']

Im not surprised you will always find an excuse. He will do time.

He will be proven innocent, perhaps a smaller charge will stick but not murder.

 

[minds_I]

He will be proven innocent, perhaps a smaller charge will stick but not murder.

Hello all,

No matter, Bubba still gonna have fun with him....

It is such a waste.

I am sure, he is thinking in retrospect that maybe he should have stayed home that night? Now, he has crossed the Rubicon, and he will pay for his actions

And regrets, I have a few.....

minds_I

 

[Absolem]

In the court system people aren't found "innocent" the are found "not guilty" or "guilty".

 

['Boogieman']

In the court system people aren't found "innocent" the are found "not guilty" or "guilty".

Not guilty, innocent, same thing but I commend you for trying to sound important.

 

[Absolem]

Not guilty, innocent, same thing but I commend you for trying to sound important.

Kinda like you trying to come up with interpretations for the 2nd amendment the SCOTUS hasn't said.

 

['Boogieman']

Kinda like you trying to come up with interruptions for the 2nd amendment the SCOTUS hasn't said.

It's not an interruption, I stated what the constitution says, my right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Nothing in the constitution bans automatic firearms period.

 

[Absolem]

It's not an interruption, I stated what the constitution says, my right to bear arms shall not be infringed. Nothing in the constitution bans automatic firearms period.

The teeth to the constitution is the court rulings. Not somebody thinking what it says. You can't yell fire in the movie theater then claim free speech. You can't go into a bank and say you have a bomb then tell the police you were "joking" it was "free speech". The constitution doesn't cover threats either.

The Tea Party nuts used to run around with their little "pocket constitution" claiming they knew what it meant.

And yet you have never posted a court ruling on the 2nd amendment. Only your opinion.

The courts say different on automatic weapons. Again. You are wrong.

 

[Absolem]

Here's an actual SCOTUS ruling.

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1900-1940/307us174

Facts of the case
An Arkansas federal district court charged Jack Miller and Frank Layton with violating the National Firearms Act of 1934 ("NFA") when they transported a sawed-off double-barrel 12-gauge shotgun in interstate commerce. Miller and Layton argued that the NFA violated their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. The district court agreed and dismissed the case.

Question
Does the Second Amendment protect an individual's right to keep and bear a sawed-off double-barrel shotgun?

Conclusion
Sort: by seniority by ideology
UNANIMOUS DECISION FOR UNITED STATES
MAJORITY OPINION BY JAMES C. MCREYNOLDS
The purpose of the Second Amendment was to maintain effective state militias; Congress could require registration of a 12-gauge sawed-off shotgun if carried across state lines

The Supreme Court reversed the district court, holding that the Second Amendment does not guarantee an individual the right to keep and bear a sawed-off double-barrel shotgun. Writing for the unanimous Court, Justice James Clark McReynolds reasoned that because possessing a sawed-off double barrel shotgun does not have a reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, the Second Amendment does not protect the possession of such an instrument.

 

['Boogieman']

Which is why I will continue to vote in pro 2A candidates. Whoever was in the Supreme Court during that ruling was dead wrong, but we have a different SCOTUS now so I remain hopeful. It's time to jump on GTA5 online for me, I love trolling people in that game, see ya tomorrow or perhaps if I get stuck on a loading screen.

 

[Guest]

My understanding is that a Class III gives up your privacy. Feds are allowed to inspect any time of day or night without notice.

Not true, really.

The Class III dealer must allow inspections of the business area & inventory (I've known some who kept their 'business shop' in a generator shed or other out-building, for that very reason).

A collector may be asked to produce the weapon to make sure it is at the address/location it's supposed to be at, but none of your 4th or 5th amendment rights are forfeited simply by owning a licensed Class III/Form 4 weapon.

The tax stamp is $200 for most Class III weapons, and $5 transfer stamp for an AOW ('Any Other Weapon'), which has some quizzical or somewhat arbitrary delineations within its definitions, which are sometimes abused by ignorant or manipulative ATFE persons... The check for the fees is stripped from your application in Chicago, and the money sent to one branch, and the forms are reviewed and stamped in D.C.

The government is no more rigorous in approving class III permits than they are about nearly anything else (*Again, some humorous stories from the past could be told).

But(!!!), as a civilian owner of such firearms, heaven forbid you report it stolen one day. Chances are very good you'll be interrogated fairly thoroughly, with the implication being that you sold the firearm illegally on the black market.

Meanwhile, ATFE, DEA, FBI, et al, often endure audits by the GAO, where they come up short on Gov-owned firearms by THOUSANDS, including Class III's, as well as lap-top and other computers, some of which contain sensitive information (*some fairly humorous stories in the past about them losing computers that had CIs names and addresses, and other brain farts of government incompetence on display.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

This is gonna sting a little, ay? buahahahahahahaha

Biden picks up small number of votes in Milwaukee County after Trump-requested recount

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/27/politics/milwaukee-county-certifies-election-result/index.html

minds_I

 

[Zeez]

Not true, really.

The Class III dealer must allow inspections of the business area & inventory (I've known some who kept their 'business shop' in a generator shed or other out-building, for that very reason).

A collector may be asked to produce the weapon to make sure it is at the address/location it's supposed to be at, but none of your 4th or 5th amendment rights are forfeited simply by owning a licensed Class III/Form 4 weapon.

The tax stamp is $200 for most Class III weapons, and $5 transfer stamp for an AOW ('Any Other Weapon'), which has some quizzical or somewhat arbitrary delineations within its definitions, which are sometimes abused by ignorant or manipulative ATFE persons... The check for the fees is stripped from your application in Chicago, and the money sent to one branch, and the forms are reviewed and stamped in D.C.

The government is no more rigorous in approving class III permits than they are about nearly anything else (*Again, some humorous stories from the past could be told).

But(!!!), as a civilian owner of such firearms, heaven forbid you report it stolen one day. Chances are very good you'll be interrogated fairly thoroughly, with the implication being that you sold the firearm illegally on the black market.

Meanwhile, ATFE, DEA, FBI, et al, often endure audits by the GAO, where they come up short on Gov-owned firearms by THOUSANDS, including Class III's, as well as lap-top and other computers, some of which contain sensitive information (*some fairly humorous stories in the past about them losing computers that had CIs names and addresses, and other brain farts of government incompetence on display.

You quoted me and said that was "not true". You say allot about Class III but did not actually have anything to do with what I said.

 

[Guest]

You quoted me and said that was "not true". You say allot about Class III but did not actually have anything to do with what I said.

What I stated, and will state again, is that privacy is not forfeited in the way you described, simply by purchasing or dealing in class III weapons.

 

[flylowgethigh]

This election fraud drama will make a great movie, or four

This election fraud drama will make a great movie, or four

Was there a fire-fight between the CIA and the military spec forces (where the CIA guys come from) as the servers in Germany were seized? People killed, still? I count Seth Rich as one also.

As you know by now, the DoD launched a raid on a CIA-run server farm in Frankfurt, Germany, to secure servers that contain proof of CIA interference with the 2020 election (i.e. backdoor manipulations of election results via Dominion voting machines). But new information is now surfacing that indicates there was a firefight at the server farm facility, involving US Army Special Forces units, engaging with CIA-trained paramilitary units that were flown in from Afghanistan in an emergency effort to defend the facility.

One CIA officer was killed during the firefight, and he is now being reported across the mainstream media as being “killed in Somalia.” Five US Army soldiers were also killed, and they are being explained away as dying in a “helicopter crash” in Egypt.

https://www.naturalnews.com/2020-11-27-situation-update-nov-27th-dod-vs-cia-covert-war.html#

Also, a few vote discrepancies.

On this Friday after Thanksgiving, the Two Mikes again had the honor of hosting Lt. General Thomas McInerney for his update on the deepening threat posed to the republic’s survival by the Democrats and their Big Tech, Wall Street, media, Chinese, and Iranian allies to steal the 2020 election. General McInerney provided fresh data on the election fraud. He noted, for example, that in the case of Pennsylvania the state government sent out 1.7 million unrequested vote-by-mail ballots, and counted 2.5 million of that type of ballot on election night, which, even for a non-math wizards like The Two Mikes, amounts to 800,000 more ballots than were mailed out.

https://noqreport.com/2020/11/27/lt-gen-tom-mcinerney-we-cannot-turn-this-government-over-to-biden/

 

[Absolem]

Which is why I will continue to vote in pro 2A candidates. Whoever was in the Supreme Court during that ruling was dead wrong, but we have a different SCOTUS now so I remain hopeful. It's time to jump on GTA5 online for me, I love trolling people in that game, see ya tomorrow or perhaps if I get stuck on a loading screen.

The current SCOTUS won't revisit that ruling. It's precedent at this point.

 

[Zeez]

Not true, really.

The Class III dealer must allow inspections of the business area & inventory (I've known some who kept their 'business shop' in a generator shed or other out-building, for that very reason).

A collector may be asked to produce the weapon to make sure it is at the address/location it's supposed to be at, but none of your 4th or 5th amendment rights are forfeited simply by owning a licensed Class III/Form 4 weapon.

The tax stamp is $200 for most Class III weapons, and $5 transfer stamp for an AOW ('Any Other Weapon'), which has some quizzical or somewhat arbitrary delineations within its definitions, which are sometimes abused by ignorant or manipulative ATFE persons... The check for the fees is stripped from your application in Chicago, and the money sent to one branch, and the forms are reviewed and stamped in D.C.

The government is no more rigorous in approving class III permits than they are about nearly anything else (*Again, some humorous stories from the past could be told).

But(!!!), as a civilian owner of such firearms, heaven forbid you report it stolen one day. Chances are very good you'll be interrogated fairly thoroughly, with the implication being that you sold the firearm illegally on the black market.

Meanwhile, ATFE, DEA, FBI, et al, often endure audits by the GAO, where they come up short on Gov-owned firearms by THOUSANDS, including Class III's, as well as lap-top and other computers, some of which contain sensitive information (*some fairly humorous stories in the past about them losing computers that had CIs names and addresses, and other brain farts of government incompetence on display.

What I stated, and will state again, is that privacy is not forfeited in the way you described, simply by purchasing or dealing in class III weapons.

First, It looks like you're either going down a squirrel hole or reading between the lines Because there is no "stated" as referenced in the "stated again".

Second, This was told to me by a guy who owns machine guns. I believe it to be true and stated it as such. As a gun owner for 45 years and one who's brother was special forces, topics like this do come up once in a while. As a matter of who's right or bravado.... meh

 

[Guest]

First, It looks like you're either going down a squirrel hole or reading between the lines Because there is no "stated" as referenced in the "stated again".

Second, This was told to me by a guy who owns machine guns. I believe it to be true and stated it as such. As a gun owner for 45 years and one who's brother was special forces, topics like this do come up once in a while. As a matter of who's right or bravado.... meh

If you look at the first 3 lines in my initial reply, you'll see that 1.) I stated your assertion is not true

2.) I explained what can be requested of a class III dealer by ATFE as far as inspections are concerned.

3.) I explained what can be requested of a collector of class III firearms without probable cause for a warrant, which is still required.

I've collected class III WHILE being an activist, a legalizer, and more.

I've hung out with class III dealers, when I was collecting.

Whether you believe it or not, those are the facts. And I am betting an on-line search will prove as much.

The entire time I collected class III weapons, I was asked to show a permit -one- time (at a public range in rural SW Alaska, away from my city of residence), for one weapon, despite my profile as an activist and much more, NO ONE ever came and asked to inspect my home or property.

So my 'as stated earlier/initially' stands.

 

[Zeez]

If you look at the first 3 lines in my initial reply, you'll see that 1.) I stated your assertion is not true

2.) I explained what can be requested of a class III dealer by ATFE as far as inspections are concerned.

3.) I explained what can be requested of a collector of class III firearms without probable cause for a warrant, which is still required.

I've collected class III WHILE being an activist, a legalizer, and more.

I've hung out with class III dealers, when I was collecting.

Whether you believe it or not, those are the facts. And I am betting an on-line search will prove as much.

The entire time I collected class III weapons, I was asked to show a permit -one- time (at a public range in rural SW Alaska, away from my city of residence), for one weapon, despite my profile as an activist and much more, NO ONE ever came and asked to inspect my home or property.

So my 'as stated earlier/initially' stands.

The person I referenced may have been a dealer not a collector.

I'm stoned as fuck and working on learning CAD CAM. This is ridiculous.
Break out your CFR book and start quoting.

Edit;
Wasting time thinking about this one. The other stuff is pretty filling.

If there was an incident involving automatic weapons and local dealers show inventory in their records, I doubt the ATF is going to be too mamsypamsy about greeting those dealers in their bathrobes and bunny slippers to check inventory and it makes perfect sense that this would be part of the agreement in being granted an FFL with automatics.

That being the case, There is probably a Standard Operating Procedure (SOPs) as to how these inspections are conducted. It's doubtful that they just wing it and more likely that they practice the procedure. Also likely is that they probably do practice this SOP in real world but not necessarily in your bunny slippers. But they could.

Regarding Collectors, One of the key components of permitting class III must be storage requirements. Obviously these are not shooting irons that get proudly displayed over the fireplace and the wrong people gaining access to these can cause untold destruction. It seems to me that there must be provisions for inspecting and verifying these storage facilities. If they told you they were coming it would defeat the purpose.

You would have to dig pretty deep in the CFR to find that, but its very believable for me.




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