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Luther Burbank

I'm a big fan of Eden Labs - I've been meaning to give them a call and see about visiting their facilities. I only found CO2 in Stumptown once that I trusted to actually be what they said it was.
 

gaiusmarius

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well it would be nice to think that the idiots out there have all blown them selves up and now we are back to people who know what they are doing being the main producers.
 

SkyHighLer

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"Honey Oil Labs a Growing, Explosive Threat by countysandiego

Published on Aug 1, 2014
It's happening more and more often in San Diego County. Fire fighters are called to the scene of an explosion caused by using butane to make a drug called honey oil. It's a very dangerous process and to prove the point the county set off an explosion of its own."

http://youtu.be/fkS94UBGUso
 

jump117

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Some both ignorant and stupid brothers and sisters aren't socio or psychopaths, they just aren't bright enough to even understand the detailed explanation of why it is a bad idea.
For this sort of brothers and sisters, this thread needs more scary pictures.
 

rasputin

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I'm sorry you see it that way Ras! You make entirely valid points re personal freedom, but heavy drug users could make the same argument. I think there's a very big difference between "tyranny of the majority" and friends looking out for friends. I don't see it as enough reason to lash out at me so meanly, but you always do seem to respond over the top when something gets stuck in your craw. You can name drop old handles all you want man; I can't help but assume you think it'd bother me by doing so, probably because once upon a time when I cared I asked you specifically *not* to - and you did it then as well. What's one nom-de-plume for another these days though? For the record I don't think this is the venue for personal bickering; you can always PM me if you have any more barbs to throw my way, but I'd rather we get on like friends.

I'm in agreement that it's here to stay and people are better off using closed-loop systems. Frankly I'd like to see it being made entirely with CO2 rather than butane, whether it's a purged closed-loop system or some idiot blasting in his car.

You would be sorry. Please, spare me your patronizing bullshit.

I was obviously exaggerating the point for effect but don't let that get in the way of your contrived narrative that I'm just calling out your shitty logic because I'm really a big bad meanie.

This issue is no sooner remedied by establishing arbitrary "middle grounds" for consumption, either through official channels or just from 'friend to friend' as you put it, or even protocols for production because as GW pointed out, dumb people are doing to do dumb shit. It's a terribly unfortunate fact of life.

We have BAC levels for motorists. There is a clear and defined point of consumption licensed drivers are not to exceed.

Do we still have drunk drivers? Alrighty then.

Do you understand that what you're really saying with the whole "moderation" bit if you apply it to another situation is akin to saying women who get raped should really pay attention to what they are wearing? If they could avoid dressing provocatively it might minimize or eliminate the risk of getting raped.

You're perilously close to making that sort of leap by saying we should encourage moderation in our "compatriots" in order to prevent overmedicating because that will somehow prevent people from blowing up cars and apartments.

You fail to grasp that it is dumb, desperate people causing the blow ups. Not hash oil itself. Not consumers of hash oil, though I know you'll say the blow ups occur because they are attempting to meet demand. Well, plenty of producers meet the demand without blowing anything or anyone up. Are they magicians or just well informed and properly prepared?

Let's look at it from another angle...

Do all people have the same appetite? Maybe one pork cutlet fills you up. But maybe Larry needs 4 to feel full because he's 6'2" 220 and you're only 5'7" 150. Two different beasts. Should Larry only eat 1 or 2 in "moderation" in order to accommodate other people and their own perception of "overindulging"?

You fail to grasp the inherent levels of subjectivity in this experience, MrSterling. That is the fatal flaw in your logic. That and you seem to think the world can be sufficiently "Nerf'd" to ensure a level of comfort and security at all times.

The deterrent is law, as is often the case. I'm all for throwing some dip shit, who blew up a family of four because he blasted indoors, in a cage. He couldn't be bothered to educate himself or he ignored the available information and said fuck it anyway? Fuck him. Lock away the key and let him rot.

What else do you propose I do to make sure dumb people do not make dumb decisions?

My plan is to educate myself and others as best I can, make informed decisions, and understand the risks I take as well as explain those risks to any others who choose to join me along the way. That's it! Neither you, me, or anyone else is owed or entitled to a neat and tidy 87.5 years of existence with zero trouble or pain.

Just curious, how much BHO have you personally consumed or produced? Considering the reaction I got in the ALSG when I mentioned I was a fan of oil, I can't help shake the feeling you're against something you don't even have any experience with just because that was the way the tide pulled that day.

As for the rest, I'll take it to PMs so as not to sidetrack this thread.
 

rasputin

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well it would be nice to think that the idiots out there have all blown them selves up and now we are back to people who know what they are doing being the main producers.

:laughing::laughing:

My worry is that the idiots are being produced faster than they are eliminating themselves.

I'm with Jump, photos of destroyed homes and cars would really drive the point home to any fool even daring to tempt fate and blow indoors.

Skyhighler, thanks for sharing that. Too bad it only has a couple hundred views almost a month later. How do we get that to go viral like the Harlem Shake?
 
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Luther Burbank

Even worse than the homes and the cars, if these people could see beforehand what a third degree burn looks like they'd never risk it. It's one thing to hurt yourself too, but when I hear that people have injured their pets, or their human loved ones? How awful.
 

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Recently the one blast caused the death of two dogs. If my dogs died due to my selfishness and ignorance id feel like shit forever. How bout this for some anti wax talk, i have high blood pressure. Ill monitor my heart rate several readings before i smoke weed or wax. Starting at 68 bpm i smoked a bowl and waited 15 minutes. My heart rate increased to 82. The next day the reading was 67 to start when i woke up...took a wax hit and waited 15 mins, it went up to 115! Thats more than double the increase! I cant even smoke it anymore or i could stroke out! I thought that was pretty crazy.
 

jump /injack

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"Originally Posted by Gray Wolf View Post
Some both ignorant and stupid brothers and sisters aren't socio or psychopaths, they just aren't bright enough to even understand the detailed explanation of why it is a bad idea."

"For this sort of brothers and sisters, this thread needs more scary pictures".
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Hey Jump117 here is some pictures for you at this site, the burn sustained by these poor people aren't all by butane but if give you an idea of what might happen when you play with odds and probabilities. "If it can happen it will happen if you do it enough times." Below is URL with the "scary pictures" that pertain to the day when their luck ran out.

Burns of a 2nd and 3rd Degree type associated with Butane type explosions below:


http://www.google.com/search?client...of+2nd+and+3rd+degree+burns&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
 

EsterEssence

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They do call it blasting, in my day that meant blowing shit up...As i said before a burn victim pic on every can...
 

Gray Wolf

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Perhaps semantics, in that I consider stupid and "aren't bright" one and the same, but I do whole heartedly recommend pictures.

Approximately 85% of the average person's sensory input is visual and some things you have to see to get full impact. The shock produces adrenalin and that shot of adrenalin more firmly imprints the memory. Some of the burn pictures certainly do that, especially when it is a child or puppy.

For the socio/phycopaths, show pictures of the horribly disfigured and long face convicted being led away in chains and as new "bitches" arriving at the prisons.

"Originally Posted by Gray Wolf View Post
Some both ignorant and stupid brothers and sisters aren't socio or psychopaths, they just aren't bright enough to even understand the detailed explanation of why it is a bad idea."

"For this sort of brothers and sisters, this thread needs more scary pictures".
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Hey Jump117 here is some pictures for you at this site, the burn sustained by these poor people aren't all by butane but if give you an idea of what might happen when you play with odds and probabilities. "If it can happen it will happen if you do it enough times." Below is URL with the "scary pictures" that pertain to the day when their luck ran out.

Burns of a 2nd and 3rd Degree type associated with Butane type explosions below:


http://www.google.com/search?client...of+2nd+and+3rd+degree+burns&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
 

jump117

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http://www.losbanosenterprise.com/2014/08/29/221360_hash-oil-lab-discovered.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1

Hash oil lab discovered

By Corey Pride

[email protected]ust 29, 2014

A residential fire in Los Banos led to the discovery of a hash oil laboratory last week, police reported.

Officers were dispatched to 1130 Nevada Ave. at 10:25 p.m. Aug. 21 following a fire at a home there.

Police arrived in time to discover a burning kitchen and hear loud explosions coming from the backyard. Police said the occupants, Austin Goldstein and Kevin Amabile, both 24, were attempting to extinguish the fire.

As the Los Banos Fire Department worked to put out the fire, police noticed evidence of a butane hash-oil laboratory.

Hash oil is a hard, sticky gel with a concentrated amount of THC, the psychoactive component of cannabis.

“Butane hash-oil laboratories are very dangerous. They can explode with the slightest spark, such as turning on a light. Thankfully, no one was seriously injured as a result of the explosion,” said Officer Marcelino Cortez.

The Merced Multi-Agency Narcotics Task Force was contacted, and it obtained a search warrant for the residence. Investigators found additional evidence indicating Goldstein and Amabile were involved in the hash-oil lab, according to police.

Goldstein and Amabile were arrested on suspicion of illegal manufacturing of a controlled substance. Both men remain in custody at the John Latorraca Correctional Center in lieu of $510,000.

Another in house extraction gone bad, when will these people learn. Don't do this in an enclosed area and follow all safety rules such as the ones GreyWolf has formulated, pooled butane when enclosed is a bomb and will make a fireball of over 3000 degree's which will melt steel or your face. There has been NO fires or explosions while using a "Closed System," the system itself contains the butane, it is not allowed to escape or pool. Such systems can be had for as little as $2000. One day in a burn ward is $6,000 to $10,000 or more, very cheap when compare it to hospital and lawyers fee's.
 

jump /injack

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https://news.google.com/news/story?...s-home-hash-oil-explosion/19081/&hl=en&geo=US



Firefighters Demonstrate Extreme Danger Of Making Hash Oil
CBS Local*- ‎2 hours ago‎
AURORA, Colo. (CBS4) – There have been more than two dozen hash oil explosions in Colorado this year, and just as many injuries. So firefighters wanted everyone to actually see how dangerous the hash oil trend can be. Within seconds the Aurora Fire*...

Fire departments demonstrate extreme danger and risk of making hash oil
kdvr.com*- ‎4 hours ago‎
DENVER — It's a dangerous but profitable trend in drug use—and it's injuring an increasing number of people. Aurora and South Metro Authority firefighters show us firsthand the explosive consequences of making hash oil. “Fire in the hole! Fire in the hole!

Colorado firefighters demonstrate risks of home hash oil explosion
The Cannabist*- ‎5 hours ago‎
PARKER — Aurora and South Metro fire investigators blew the walls, windows and door off a small structure Wednesday during a demonstration of a home explosion caused by the illegal production of hash oil. Aurora Fire Captain Wendy Lippman said there*...


Firefighters demonstrate dangers of illegal hash-oil manufacturing explosion
The Denver Channel*- ‎6 hours ago‎
Fire investigators explode a small shed to demonstrate the dangers posed when someone illegally manufactures hash oil. KMGH. Aurora Fire and South Metro Fire Authority investigators simulate the dangerous explosion caused when someone illegally*...


It has really been quiet in the burn ward, no screaming and hollering for the last month. Could it be that the folks out there that have been getting char burned, getting their dog roasted and blowing up all their stuff and paying attorneys piles of money to keep their ass out of the Cross Bar Hotel have seen the light? I fear through that this is just an interlude and that things will get hot again, sure hope not, still remember that story out of New York where the young man and his pretty girl friend were burned so bad that a fireman said, "Never saw anything like that, they had 3rd degree burns from the waist up".
 

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I hope this trend of destruction ends. Jump you rock for making this thread so up to date and informative. Thanks for giving a shit. Most people dont.
 

jump /injack

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http://www.thedenverchannel.com/new...plosions-prompt-denver-proposal_13582921_Hash oil explosions prompt Denver proposal

9:40 AM, Sep 5, 2014

DENVER - A rash of household explosions caused by crude hash-oil production has prompted a proposed ordinance in Denver to ban dangerous methods of making hash.
The proposal comes from Denver Mayor Michael Hancock and was announced Friday. It would make it a municipal violation to make hash oil at home using a solvent, such as butane, which poses enormous fire risk when not properly ventilated. The ordinance would require home hash-oil production to use only water-based or food-based methods.
Commercial marijuana production facilities would still be allowed to use solvents. Those sites undergo extensive fire-code inspections to make sure flammable gases don't build up.
Penalties for the code violation could result in up to a year in jail and a $999 fine.
Denver City Council will consider the proposal Sept. 16.


Why doesn't the City of Denver set aside some spaces where people with closed systems could do their extractions. There has been no explosions or fires within the 2 years these devices have been developed and there is no need for starting laws that aren't needed for these machines. Does the City of Denver even know what a closed system is and how it works? No one wants 2nd and 3rd degree burns or to blow up their house and the Fire Departments of Denver and others like them should teach safety and to use safe devices and especially places to extract. Has the Denver Fire Department done any public service spots on TV or Radio yet, a lot of people would who are extracting now would help as a public service.
 
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jump /injack

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/09/butane_hash_oil_explosion_susp.html

[This is a continuation of a previous story and is especially interesting because of who is doing the charging and adjudication.]

Butane hash oil explosion suspect faces federal charges in Tigard blaze



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A California man suspected of igniting a blaze*while making butane hash oil in a Tigard parking lot faces federal charges under an indictment handed up Tuesday by a grand jury.
Dale Austin Corzine, 29, of Irvine is accused of one count of knowingly and intentionally creating a substantial risk of harm to human life*in connection with the July 29 fire that destroyed his car, another vehicle and damaged three others.
Authorities have said Corzine was making the potent cannabis concentrate inside his car at a TriMet park-and-ride lot near Southwest Pacific Highway and 74th Avenue when the materials exploded.
Corzine, who was injured, also faces a count of knowingly and intentionally manufacturing and attempting to manufacture marijuana. No arraignment date has been set, and Corzine has not yet been taken into custody.
The endangering charge carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison, and the marijuana manufacturing charge carries a maximum of five years.
The indictment is believed to mark the first time the U.S. Attorney's Office in Oregon has filed charges in connection with a hash oil explosion, although federal prosecutors in other districts have begun pursuing prosecutions.
In July, one week before the Tigard explosion, federal prosecutors in western Washington*announced charges against eight people in connection with explosions in Bellevue, Kirkland, Seattle and Puyallup that were believed to have stemmed from extracting hash oil from marijuana.*
 
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