thanks for doing all that hazy!
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Between Sun and Moon HPS/LED comparison grow.
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B
Bud Bug
What brand of led was that BB?
It was this one http://www.thequantumgroup.ca/Quantum/Technology.html
That light is missing a lot, so it's no wonder you have a semi-skewed view of LED's and their performance in bloom. Take a look in my signature at the grow tests that have been performed with our lights. You'll see that side by side vs other LED Grow Lights, our lights produce much better results. In one test we produced 2.4x the yield of a competitor with 35% less watts. You'll also see impressive buds grown underneath single lights by other growers, showing you again that our lights are fully capable of flowering. Hazy's test was enough to prove that, but there are more to see. A lot of companies just haven't figured out LED technology yet...
Glad to hear it Hazy, and your results are what we expected. I wanted you to see first hand how our LED's veg in comparison to other veg lights, since Blaze has been having such great success with them. One of the key advantages of our light is being able to use it throughout the entire growing process, from clone to harvest. The spectral output and intensity stacks nodes incredibly tight in comparison to other lights, preparing the plants for a healthy bloom. Plants will perform best in bloom under LED when they have also vegged under LED, due to the increased node stacking. It's for this reason that we want to show people a full LED vs HID run from start to finish, so they can see how the entire cycle looks under each light, and how each stage affects the final outcome.
As for your watt vs watt grow, you wouldn't need such a large space using the 345W with the 205W. Perhaps only 28" x 50"? If you were using the dual 205W's and a 126W, you would literally have equal light spread throughout the entire area. You would also need at least 50" of width just for the panels themselves. If it were my grow, I would probably go with dual 205W's and a 126W to keep everything more or less even. The 345W is definitely a bad ass light, and will certainly grow big nugs. It's really your call here though Hazy, as both configurations come out to about the same power wise. The best advice I can give you is to choose the best setup for your ongoing gardening needs in that room, as these are your panels to keep.
B
Bud Bug
Maybe it doesn't contain the full needed spectrum but its the same design as most of the LED array still around. Still doesn't change the fact the besides tiny grows LEDS will not replace HID lighting anytime soon. Even with my break down of the cost/hydro usage for the LED's one still wouldn't recoup the cost of the LED for a long ass time compared to an HID system.
Also there's the issues of the statements made my almost every single "hydroponic" LED manufacturer regarding how well their products produce flower growth and how they can replace HID's lights. I'm surprised no on got sued yet for all the false statements in the industry.
If anyone that says their LED will produce the same as a 1000 HID send me one of your LED arrays and I'll put it into a 20+ light grow next to HID's. These places pull off 2.1lb per light every crop, if your LED array gets to 90% of the 2.1LB with 1/2-3/4 of the power consumption you'll have up to 5 20+ light places switching to your LED's.
By the way, all critics need to understand what it's going to take for me to pull this off.
Here's the setup. I have a 5x8 room that has a 28 x 5 closet at one end. That's where the grow you saw in this thread is. The rest of the room, about 5x-5, is currently filled with my girls from the 4-20 flip. Some of the ones under that light were started a while back and will be chopped in a week. That will open up a little space and I'll move the big light over and all the girls of the 4-20 flip to one side. This will cramp them more than I care to cramp them, and I'll try not to mess up what looks to be a bumper crop by jamming them too close and losing my bud mass. This is what has to be done in order to make room for the LEDs to have a 28" x 58" space to match the one in the closet where the 400 will be. I'll have to use a piece of sheetrock or paneling or something to divide the space so the big light is contained. Oh, and take the divider out of the closet of course. Big pita. Oh, and before I can move those girls over, I have to remount my fan and change the ducting a bit because the fan's still on the floor taking up room. Was vertical last run. And move the filter. And add a new support so i can turn the hood for it's new smaller area. see, the whole PITA thing just keeps coming.
yup; you'd think it'd be as easy as slapping a tent together and throwing in some plants; makes me wish it was
keep up the hard work and enjoy the flowers of ur labors
dubbalicious
Member
Just wanted to pop in and say thanks again Hazy, was interesting to watch unfold
Sounds good. We'll get that you to you soon. How's the vegging coming along?
Whole lotta thinking going on lately. But I have most of it figured out. I'll talk about that in an upcoming post.
Thought I'd post up a few pics. Here's some mommas.
and some new clones just taken
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Some plants that have been vegging for 2 weeks under the 400 and the 205.
Now the bigger ones were under floros for a couple weeks or whatever before these lights were freed up to use for vegging.
These Purple Kushes were all about the same size when they started. There's another twin to the HID one. Looks just like this HID one.
Same as before hps on the left
Closeup of the top growth of the PK under the 400
Closeup of the top growth of the PK under the LED
A GAK under the LED
A GAK (on the left) under the HID
You say, but hazy, that GAK under the 400 is only in a cup, so that's not fair to the 400. Huh. hazy scratches his head and says well what about this one(not a GAK, but still...) in a cup under the LED?
Or these?
here's one from the 400 side
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And I thought maybe some of you might find this next pic interesting.
This Sour Diesel grew up and was touching the glass of the LED.
It got a little light burn. Right under where each led was.
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Wow. That is sad.
You could have done that with a cfl. or a 60 watt led
Thought I'd post up a few pics. Here's some mommas.
and some new clones just taken
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Some plants that have been vegging for 2 weeks under the 400 and the 205.
Now the bigger ones were under floros for a couple weeks or whatever before these lights were freed up to use for vegging.
These Purple Kushes were all about the same size when they started. There's another twin to the HID one. Looks just like this HID one.
Same as before hps on the left
Closeup of the top growth of the PK under the 400
Closeup of the top growth of the PK under the LED
A GAK under the LED
A GAK (on the left) under the HID
You say, but hazy, that GAK under the 400 is only in a cup, so that's not fair to the 400. Huh. hazy scratches his head and says well what about this one(not a GAK, but still...) in a cup under the LED?
Or these?
here's one from the 400 side
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And I thought maybe some of you might find this next pic interesting.
This Sour Diesel grew up and was touching the glass of the LED.
It got a little light burn. Right under where each led was.
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Wow. That is sad.
You could have done that with a cfl. or a 60 watt led
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Wow Hazy, that's awesome on the veg growth! It looks just like Blaze's grow journal! From what Opt1c says, his plants under LED are also outperforming the HID. So that's 3 Independent LED vs HID comparisons, all 205W vs 400W, and in every single one you find the same result. Granted this is simply veg growth, but it's easy to see how veg times can be shortened due to the explosive rate of LED when compared to HID. Once the LED lead begins, it rarely if ever lets up. No doubt the lead will continue on through bloom, and since the LED plants will have more nodes they will almost certainly produce more bud. Can't wait to see how this round pans out now that the plants have been able to veg under LED as well
Also Hazy, will you be starting a new thread for this current run? And will you be doing 400W vs 205W for bloom this time, or will you be adding the 345W into the mix as well?
Also Hazy, will you be starting a new thread for this current run? And will you be doing 400W vs 205W for bloom this time, or will you be adding the 345W into the mix as well?
I had fully intended to run both lights this time, and spent a lot of thought on how to pull it off in my space constraints. I finally decided that The monsters under the big light from the 4-20 flip just can't get crowded any more. Even when i chop 4-5 in a week or two, the girls will be begging for the extra space.
The setup would also be kind of awkward to work in and harder to get pics in. So I've decide to finish these out. They'll be done around 6-20.
The ones under the 400 and the 205, I'm not sure when I'll flip. I had hoped to put more clones in with them, but after 11 of 14 just died, maybe not.
I'll probably flip them within a week.
That will start this run going with the 400 and 205. They'll be done by 7-20+. But the big space will be clear by 6-20 to 6-25, So I will get the big hood out of the way and get it set up for the watt to watt showdown. That will give me the space to do it right. Might be tempted to get going with just the 345 in that space while waiting on the rest to finish.
So the big show won't start for a while.
Unless, I change my mind again and go back to the get them started right away idea.
lol.
The setup would also be kind of awkward to work in and harder to get pics in. So I've decide to finish these out. They'll be done around 6-20.
The ones under the 400 and the 205, I'm not sure when I'll flip. I had hoped to put more clones in with them, but after 11 of 14 just died, maybe not.
I'll probably flip them within a week.
That will start this run going with the 400 and 205. They'll be done by 7-20+. But the big space will be clear by 6-20 to 6-25, So I will get the big hood out of the way and get it set up for the watt to watt showdown. That will give me the space to do it right. Might be tempted to get going with just the 345 in that space while waiting on the rest to finish.
So the big show won't start for a while.
Unless, I change my mind again and go back to the get them started right away idea.
lol.
nice to peek in and get caught up... way to go
Any one with access to 20+ light grows can afford to buy four 205 watt lights for 700 bucks apiece. I want to see you put your money where your mouth is. i say that with all love brother. Snag up 4 of them That's 800 watts of leds. Throw them over a table like you say and see what happens.
You'll make your money back. If they do badly you'd get you money back in two grows. Might pay for itself the first run.
osecretgardeno
Member
That veg comparison makes me want to get one just for my veg room at the moment ... especially since outfitting the flower room is a big change and big $ right now.
I only have a small amount of room in the veg area and actually have two shelves. 1 shelf has large CFLs and 1 shelf has T5s. Both do ok... they get the job done. But if I got 126W or even the 63W for the bottom shelf and canned the CFLs, I feel like the results would be shockingly different from the T5s.
LEDGirl ... have you seen any adverse effects from only vegging under LEDs and then moving to HPS ?
I'd be interested in knowing if there is a shock factor in switching spectrum types as well as any other differences. I know the HPS spectrum is aimed more at flowering, not vegging so it'd be interesting to see.
Congrats on the successful grow hazy. I knew you'd be the one to show what those LEDs could do.
Thanks,
sg
I only have a small amount of room in the veg area and actually have two shelves. 1 shelf has large CFLs and 1 shelf has T5s. Both do ok... they get the job done. But if I got 126W or even the 63W for the bottom shelf and canned the CFLs, I feel like the results would be shockingly different from the T5s.
LEDGirl ... have you seen any adverse effects from only vegging under LEDs and then moving to HPS ?
I'd be interested in knowing if there is a shock factor in switching spectrum types as well as any other differences. I know the HPS spectrum is aimed more at flowering, not vegging so it'd be interesting to see.
Congrats on the successful grow hazy. I knew you'd be the one to show what those LEDs could do.
Thanks,
sg
WizeWizo
Member
Though not directed at me, I'll go head and field this one. The last 2 rounds that went under my hps were vegged with my 1st gen 126w. I too was using t5's and a small mh to veg plants before that, after switching to the 126w, I feel safe in stating that its going to help me produce more bud as there are just x amount more nodes for budsites since these led's stack internodes like I've never seen before. I am even saving up for a couple of panels over a few of my mothers, as I will be able to turn out so so so many more cuttings while using these LED's compared to my mh t5 combo. The only light source that can put on as much growth as I've seen with these led's is that great big fire in the sky...
Here's a picture from my current led comparison thread that to me, pretty much tells the whole story.
HGL 205w compared to 180w Jumbo
Tighter nodes= More Bud!
Tighter nodes= More Bud!
