Berry's Experiments...

[MynameStitch]

Berry; that is messed up they asked you to get it real hot and wipe it down, vinyl off gas is very toxic and is carcinogenic; They should have done this or make sure they got something that is not going to off gas...... I know most do have a gas, but it goes away; I would like to know why this particular one is not going away.....

 

[HairyTunaTaco]

Hey there, I believe the off-gassing problem does extend to other brands of huts, most probably because they use vinyl made from the same factory in china. Its happened to me using a chinese made hydrohut knock off. Check my last 2 posts for details.

 

[HairyTunaTaco]

My advise would be dont buy any type of hut at the moment untill this problem is sorted out, or you know the hut has been successfully grown in before. Huts are awesome, I really wish mine worked, but its not worth the risk right now. Over the last few months my problem cost me 1000's before I figured out what the problem was.
Also I saw someone before say they have seen ordinary plants growing in huts in shops,- be careful, this does not necessarily mean they will be safe for your weed. In one of the tests I conducted I placed a fire cracker chilli plant in my toxic hut, which grew perfectly and even yeilded a stack of chillis (which I threw out cos I dont want to be poisoned), whilst at the same time, every weed plant under many different conditions,died in exactly the same way.

 

[Sammet]

HairyTunaTaco-

Sorry but you've just signed up, you have very few posts and don't have any grow photos of your problems which have cost you 1000s (1000s of what? marbles?) and you're the first person I've heard complaining about other tents, despite 873 posts and 59 pages of HEALTHY grows in the GROW TENTS thread and healthy tents in other forums.

I don't mean to be rude, but how do we know you're not just trying to spread rumours? I've been following all these HH toxic threads and have yet to hear of anyone questioning other brands except you. If you've spent such huge amounts of money why didn't you post any photos in the infirmary to try and get others to help sort the problem.

Normally when people have a problem with something they don't keep quiet. Which mades it hard to believe that you've only just mentioned this now and without photos. Also please be aware that a post like that can cause a whole load of growers to panic and as of yet you're not a trusted member of the community and for all we know you could be affiliated with HH and trying to badmouth the competition.


So please don't be offended if I ignore your comments. As I think others should. (until you post lots of photos/grow info and make me eat my words )

 

[Verger OG]

Don't use them HH's but in school I learned that PVC can..hmm..whats is a good english word...dissolve or break down in sunlight over time. Someone should check exactly what sort of plastic this is and see if they can find anything online about the properties of this particular formula.

We use lights that have a wide spectrum and resembles sunlight as close as possible. It could be that the light is affecting the PVC molecules to become loose and evaporate as a gas of some type into the air.

That light can affect plastics, well, we had a garden set outside that became brittle over time. At some point someone on a ladder nearby dropped a screwdriver and it slammed right through the table.

Also, are there any glues used in terms of layers of plastics or between perhaps an inner plastic layer and an outer?

The easiest way to research this problem is to send a tent like that to an institute of technology or biochemistry research facility that can use detection equipment to measure particles in the air, like firemen use as well to detect if in case of a fire toxic fumes are released.

 

[HairyTunaTaco]

Thats a fair call Sammet, I dont take any offence. Its just that a question was asked which I had an answer to so I thought Id try help out.
I only found out about IC mag a few months ago and have only very recently created a user name so I could contribute some valuable information to these particular threads. Ive been weary of puttin pics up for security reasons, as alot of people are, but I may soon.

 

[MynameStitch]

Hey there, I believe the off-gassing problem does extend to other brands of huts, most probably because they use vinyl made from the same factory in china. Its happened to me using a chinese made hydrohut knock off. Check my last 2 posts for details.

Hey sammet, I do believe this person is affiliated with HH, he said it is made in the "same" factory in china, resina said this in his post back in the thread that got closed. Hey Hairytuna, how do you know the stuff is made in the same factory in china when you just posted here huh? BUSTED!

So I know he is affiliated with HH.

I don't believe all vinyl off gasses forever, all vinyl does off gas, but it's for a short period of time, if this was true your shower curtain would forever smell if it was vinyl made. So certain types of vinyl and the ingredients that are to make it to cheapen it up, is most likely the cause of these huts off gassing for a long time.

 

[HairyTunaTaco]

Mynamesstitch, I can assure you I am in no way affiliated with hydrohut, we cannot even get hydrohut's in my country as far as I know.
I can only assume that my tent uses the same material which is causing your problems from what Ive read on a number of these 'off-gassing problem threads' (including resinas post), and what Ive heard from the guy at the hydro shop who sold me my hut. Anyway guys my problems are all solved cos Im not using a hut at all now. Take care + happy growing.

 

[Sammet]

Hey BC whats the ventilation like in your HH (how much throughput does it get?), I was just wondering in general if off-gassing is occuring, maybe poor ventilation is allowing a build up of these gases in the tent? I know it seems unlikely but I'm racking my brain trying to think of what might be the cause.

and to HTT - fine be me mate, but I imagine you might come up against some skeptics until you have a bit more of a name around these parts. I don't want to sound elitest or anything, it's just quite a serious matter and you must understand the ease of which anyone out there could just make an account and start spouting off.

 

[Berry_Coughin']

So far the 3 little ladies are doin' nice....

I'm going to water them here in a little bit, and I'll snap some photos for you...

They are showing little blemishes on older growth, but I am almost positive it's not related to the problems I've seen...just is not the same symptoms in the slightest...a little discolored splotching is a bout... kinda redish... I dunno, you'll haveta see...

'til I see evidence of the same symptoms/problems as with the original plants, the girls will stay in......bbl with photos

 

[Guest]

So Berry, the Hut you are using is one that had a problem, and then was washed down properly? Now some fresh plants are placed in them to see if the washing helped? I read the thread but I'm just curious... trying to decide if I should set my new Hut they sent me back up.

-Stifler

 

[MynameStitch]

Nice to see them gals are doing alright berry, I too would like to know if this hut was the one that you were having trouble with......

 

[Berry_Coughin']

All of the plants that I moved over to Aaron143's from the hut, are recovering nicely... I didn't expect the yellowing to change back to green but it is happening...

The three ladies that I moved into the original hut that I was having problems with, are showing the same signs as the original plants.... so I have to conclude that the hut is causing them to yellow...I'm going over there today to pick up the tent for a return, and will take photos of everything before I tear it down....

took close to a week to show any signs of symptoms, but they are there no doubt...and these girls were damn near centerfold girls before going in there.... so ...no I will not accept this 'replacement tent' that the store has for me...

international grower supply or whatever told me that I could take it back to the store for credit, and I have the email, and I do intend to do so... now whether they give me credit or not.... we'll see....regardless, the tent will be left at the store....

 

[MynameStitch]

sulfur related issues recover nicely for some reason..... it's one of the rare ones that when fixed the green comes back, if you can get a magnesium problem fixed quickly the green comes back, but if you let it yellow too much it won't.

So you going to get your money back from the hut?
So you decided a replacement yet?

I feel bad for anyone who has this problem, it's a pain in the ass very bullshit situation.

 

[Berry_Coughin']

3 ladies pulled out of the hut... yes, these are the healthy ladies I put in the hut only days ago....

first, kyle kushman strawberry cough



schrom



Lemon Thai



My conclusions are that the tents are the source of my problem, so it will come down tomorrow...

If at that time I can't seem to dial anything in...then I'll look elsewhere for any variable I missed.... I'm at a loss on this one... hope the hut is the problem...kinda sucks, I spent over $500+ on the damn thing... and now I'm hoping it's what is causing problems, only in hopes of getting something growing healthy again....

I'm off to smoke with Aaron143 peace....

 

[Naturally]

Chunk that MoFo !!!

 

[AriesXX]

Berry-

Thanks for keeping us updated on all this! I was also considering buying a hut of some sort, now I'm glad I didn't. If one constructs their room from 2x4s and Panda Tarp, will the tarp give off gasses as well?

 

[Berry_Coughin']

I've not heard of anyone using the 'panda films' having any problem...

I've used the rolls of cheap poly from the hardware store, and never ran into issues like these.....

If anyone has please speak up and come forward.....

 

[MynameStitch]

Ya Berry, I agree with natrually; chuck it dude; it is the source of the problem, there is no way sulfur related issues are as common as they are recently and everyone who had them had hydro huts that were bought within the past 6 months. It is the hut, trust me. if I had a lot of money I would chuck it off the highest building there was around my town.

I would be hella pissed; hell I was very pissed when I had my first pH problem/sodium issue, I can't imagine the problem peeps had when they found out about this one.

My water had sodium in it and had no idea, the company had used it, due to buildups and breaks in the pipes in my town, I had no problems first grow, 2nd grow they added it and I had deficiencies out the ass and ruined seedlings, my cat also helped with that problem.

So when I finally found out, I had to chuck RO water in 5 gallon jugs and my problem was fixed; it was also causing me a pH problem and that is another reason how I found out about how bad those rapitest cheap ass soil p H meters were, I ordered me a hanna pH pen with a expensive probe that costed me another 50 bucks added on.


So again I can't imagine the anger you peeps have sustained, especially the people who went out and spent more money on equipment thinking that was the sole cause......

It's just unreal something like this has happened; I feel for you guys really; cause some people have a very limited amount of money to grow with and those huts are not cheap to buy, but they make them very cheaply. So a lot of peeps who bought these are med growers who rely on there crops; it's terrible they or anyone else have to go through it.

 

[Naturally]

I've not heard of anyone using the 'panda films' having any problem...

Way way to many use "panda" for there to be a prob & it not be known.