Bear's spot '09

[Brother Bear]

as i was taking cuts the other week my electrician buddy was hanging out with me
i took my cuts. then trimmed my mothers down
he scooped the cuts up from the floor where i was throwing them in a pile
dipped them in my rooting powder, put them in rapid rooters
and took them home
100% success rate

i have sent 9 casey cuts with him this time, so he can try to root them for me
if he gets 5+ i am gonna switch to the RR for awhile
oh yeah he never cloned before either

i really would like to figgure out what i am doing wrong with the EZ
gonna find my PH drops and check that
my temps are in the low 70's right where they should be


hello hazy my friend it's been awhile brother :friends:

 

[krushonkush]

Yea sometimes my Ez just dont cut it! When I have this prob I just bust out the RRs and dome them. If I forget about them they root 100% but if I check everyday its like 80%
one more thing Bear we all having cloning problems right now, swamp was just about
to offer up his house just to get the Chem rooted!! lol good luck

 

[whiskeytango420]

Mornin' B.B. Sorry to hear that you're still having cloning trouble. I assume you're using a rooting hormone? Do rooting hormones get old? IDK. Just my $0.02, but I think clones need to be kept covered for the first week or so. Warm and moist. I use those flimsy, clear, plastic containers that cookies come in from the bakery as a dome over my clones. Hope that helps some

I would toss rooting hormone after a few months. I tried using year old gel...NO BUENO...lol. Weird, seems hella f.a.m is having rooting problems, lol. I lost all 4 of the chem#4 cuttings I got gifted....
hope it works out for ya BB!
good vibes

KoK-...LOL I just read your post after typing....I will give my left nut to have em root too!!!....lol

 

[Tonatiuh]

dont feel bad bruh bear i been clonin in my easy for years and the last two runs have been rootin so slow idk wtf is the deal.i changed the bulbs and i washed it out....the thing i have it dialed down to is too much N in the mamas when i take the cuts,when theres a good amount of N in the mama plant when you take the cuts theres a less chance of a high success rate because of slower rooting.
and i have been giving my mamas more N then i use to because i was trying to get them on a better schedule...
just thought id let you know my easy is givin me a problem right now too so you dont get frustrated with it...i been usin mine for years with 100 success rate until these last 2 runs.
i lost like 5 last time and it looks like imma lose a few this time too.
also tango is right yo...if ur usin clone X or other gels,if you are dippin the cut right into the jar,them gels get contaminated real easily...they already have a short shelf life and the contaminents even shorten it further yo...sorry about all the readin LOL...just tryin ti help.peace-T-

 

[hazy]

funny, everywhere, I go around here, folks are having cloning trouble. Not newbs, just alla sudden experienced clonesmen, having trouble. I'm in the just kicking ass stage of my cloning edu.
I cleaned mine out with a little bleach the other day, to try to ward off crud building in the pipes and pump.
Think of it as a time to expand your knowledge and learn a different cloning method, such as RRs.
Sending them good time vibes your way to help you along.

 

[khaleel]

funny, everywhere, I go around here, folks are having cloning trouble. Not newbs, just alla sudden experienced clonesmen, having trouble.

i second that. don't know what the fook is going on. i started using the rapid rooter trays. had good results last november or thereabouts, but after the new year something started happening. getting algae on the rooter cubes, not really sure what it was. so i scrapped it and went back to the Sunleaves Float and Grow. also adding some miracle grow perlite to the water (any powder grow fert would do, but i have some of the MG perlite so i used it. think it's working. :fingers crossed:

(looking good brother bear, just stopping in to say hello! why not, something new. hehe )

 

[cellardweller]

:friends:

 

[swampdank]

I been having trouble cloning in RRs. High N could be the culprit. Or just the fact that it is ass freezing cold wintertime. IDK.

 

[UBER21]

Bro Bear I find that rapid rooters are the way to go bro if ur having issues with the Ez-cloner....My way is like this......with about 98% success rate

Step 1 make sure u have some alcohol, scissors, and ur clonex gel....

Step 2 grab a rooter soak it in water or in a clonex solution...Do this with every rooter u decide to use...

Step 3 squeeze the excess water solution out of the rapid rooter they should be moist but not soaked

Step 4 turn the rapid rooter upside down and make a hole in it so that ur cut slides effortlessly withought damaging it I do it this way so the rooter is flat and doesnt tip over when u place the cut in it....placing a cut on the top side of the rooter was a pain because the cuts would fall all over the place due to be being uneven so I just flip it upside down and no problems with the cuts falling....

Step 5 take ur cuts with the sterile scissors and immediatly place in the clonex solution DO NOT DIP UR CUTS IN THE CLONEX BOTTLE MAKE A SEPARATE CONTAINER FOR DIPPING THE CLONES that way u dont risk contaminating ur clonex gel with anything...

Step 6 after u take all ur cutz mist them ONCE to get them threw any shock they may have encountered and prepare a dome for them..Mist the inside of the dome with water from a spray bottle......Do this every day until the roots start appearing....DO NOT MIST THE CUTS...ONLY THE DOME DAILY...in 8 to 10 days u should have roots on all ur babies...Also dont forget to lift the dome daily to get them some fresh air for about 10 min a day...then seal them back up....make sure the dome is properly misted on a daily basis to keep the humidity levels up.....After u have established a nice amount of roots and ur comfortable lose the lid on the dome.......and you should have a very high success rate......Also make sure u do not have them close to the light a simple cfl would do the job just fine until ur ready to veg keep the light hitting the dome indirectly about 10 inches high and u will be golden....Hope this helps bro...its my method and works pretty well ...peace

 

[Old Soul]

Hey Bear, I have been having trouble with clones lately as well. I have been reading many posts with other people having trouble as well. Hope you get it worked out.

Uber21-thanks for the rundown on your method. I think I need to go get a dome, it is too dry here.

peace all

 

[whiskeytango420]

funny, everywhere, I go around here, folks are having cloning trouble. Not newbs, just alla sudden experienced clonesmen, having trouble. I'm in the just kicking ass stage of my cloning edu.
I cleaned mine out with a little bleach the other day, to try to ward off crud building in the pipes and pump.
Think of it as a time to expand your knowledge and learn a different cloning method, such as RRs.
Sending them good time vibes your way to help you along.

i second that. don't know what the fook is going on. i started using the rapid rooter trays. had good results last november or thereabouts, but after the new year something started happening. getting algae on the rooter cubes, not really sure what it was. so i scrapped it and went back to the Sunleaves Float and Grow. also adding some miracle grow perlite to the water (any powder grow fert would do, but i have some of the MG perlite so i used it. think it's working. :fingers crossed:

(looking good brother bear, just stopping in to say hello! why not, something new. hehe )

Here, here.... Thought I was the only one. Gotta be some weird shit. Lost quite a few clones these past 2 weeks. 15 querkles, 3 Chem#4s...dunno man, hope yours tighten up, I had to bust out some more beans...lol
good vibes

 

[UBER21]

Hey Bear, I have been having trouble with clones lately as well. I have been reading many posts with other people having trouble as well. Hope you get it worked out.

Uber21-thanks for the rundown on your method. I think I need to go get a dome, it is too dry here.

peace all

NO problem bro....I hope it helps out....

 

[johnipedestran]

just alla sudden experienced clonesmen, having trouble.

Experienced clonesmen......great appreciation for your word smithery good sir.

BB you a mouseman how did you get that mouse????

peace
jip

 

[WhoMan]

Hope you get it figured out Bear. I dont know much about what could be wrong but its worth a start, I dont know much about the EZ but can you raise your temps a lil for the clones?

 

[cocktail frank]

keep the cloner CLEAN and COOL.
2 biggest things.
i had to shut down the cloner in the summer and convert to RR's
but the cloner in the cooler months got me roots in under a week.
but ONLY with clean h20.

i never ph the water, i never add nutes, straight tap.
screw gel, u dont need it.

 

[accessndx]

BB: Sorry I guess I haven't been keeping up with the cloning saga here lately....didn't know you were still having issues brotha....
I was speaking with Cella last evening and amongst the funny shit we usually talk about.....he mentioned that you were using "well water"...that that the water itself may be part of the problem.
Pretty much what Frank said is accurate. That EZ-Cloner SHOULD be able to handle all the hard work in a turn-key way. You shouldn't have to do much more than keep it clean, fill it with water, cut the plants and stick them in there.
I know people are citing that temperatures are a problem, but I've never personally experienced that. Sometimes the temp can get upwards to 90+ degrees in the summer. I've never altered the natural ambient room temperature, never added ice or cold water. I do use clonex or olivia's to dip my tips in, but this is more superstition...because as Frank eluded to: you don't really need it...and honestly the high pressure water from the spickets washes everything off the submerged tip of the plant in the neoprene collar.
If you remember...the entire reason I wanted to get that cloner off to you was because you were having issues.....it blows that it's not working out that way...but if we put our heads together we can isolate the problem and get it going in the manner you expect it to.
My water is actually quite crappy here, what you'd consider really "hard" water...and there's a signficant chlorine content. As a result, I let the water sit in the air a bit before I run the motor. Once again, this is probably superstitious because the high pressure air pump and the jet sprayer should move the chlorine out of solution rather quickly.

I will say that there are a few strains that have been clasically 'resistant' to being cloned....independent of the methods used to root them....
Opium has be a really chop buster for me to keep alive. I love the plant so much that I spend alot of my time coddling it, and giving it attention that I simply don't have to with other strains. Some, I couldn't kill if I wanted to.....
I could throw an unwatered Ed or Lios in a dark bag for a week or two, come back and it's still kicking with some piss and vinegar! Those mofos clone like without any assistance whatsoever...I swear you could hack a piece of and drop it on a cement block and those strains would just root up in the middle of the desert. Amazing ability to thrive.
Opium sounds alot like what people say regarding the "white".
Now if you're experiencing problems across the board....we may need to go back to formula.
What I'd do under those circumstances is attempt multiple different methods serially or in parallel to clone, so I have redundancy and backup. I'd go with stuff right in moist soil, I'd put stuff in coco, I'd drop stuff in moist pH adjusted rockwool, and the ez-cloner.
See what works best.
For YEARS, I would just put clones in NON pH adjusted Dangro rockwool cubes without the plastic cut off. I'd keep them in STANDING WATER with an air pump going. The first few days I'd keep a dome on top, and then as the plants stabilized I'd wean them off the dome so they can establish proper hydrostatic pressure. I'd keep them right next to my momma plants under their shade. Worked like a charm forever.
When I changed setups and went smaller, I had alot of problems getting the same method to work...and I decided to get that EZ-Cloner.
Since that time, I haven't looked back and I've been getting excellent results without fail....minus the strains that have issues with cloning to begin with.

Anyway, I'll pick your brain at length when we have some face to face time. We'll get to the bottom of it and you'll be a happy camper again.

 

[MeltingPOT]

Hope all gets better with the clone wars you all are having. I find it takes longer to get roots in the cold dry months, but I don't like having to mist or use a dome. Bubble cloner has had the highest success rate IME. Tap water Ph'd to 6.0. Definately not getting roots in a week, but not losing cuts either. Hope all yer genes get preserved BB...
MP

 

[Peat]

What I'd do under those circumstances is attempt multiple different methods serially or in parallel to clone, so I have redundancy and backup.

I'll second that.

 

[xOOx]

hmm well water..? maybe strange chemicals in the groundwater? just go to the store and buy a few gallons of deer park bottled water, fill, and stick the clones in?

i was vacationing out in your area at one time, and the water reeked like rotten eggs coming out of the showers and sinks. but it was more rural area - bear country. i'm sure the cities have water i'm used too tho. lol.

use spring water.. bet it works better for ya bro..

xoox

 

[Brother Bear]

thanks for all the suggestions my friends :friends:
to many posts to reply to you each individually sorry
i have another problem now though "SPIDER MITES"
i found some eggs under the lower leaves of my bubbaK

could they stay there this long and just be from the last batch ?
you know dead eggs ? thats what i am hoping

i am honestly thinking about flowering out my mothers
forgetting about cloning for awhile
and just running from seed for awhile
its starting to not be fun anymore

i would hate to lose my moms though
i dunno ?