Basic genetics explained

[Sam_Skunkman]

There's nothing in the paper that goes against Sam's predictions. In fact, the paper does a lot of what Sam spoke on except with hops instead of cannabis. The only thing the paper perhaps suggests is that it might be more difficult than thought to get chemovars with single terpenes. For instance pinene and myrcene are in the same QTL region. Not really surprising considering the relation of the compounds and the synthesis involved.

I will go out on a limb and predict that there are "easy straight forward ways" to create single terpene+THC varieties. I will not explain my thinking here as I am gonna help make this happen and don't want to spill the beans until after we are successful.
Then the created single terpene+THC varieties can be used as the foundational building blocks to create custom tailored terpene profile varieties with just what you want for specific types of effects without any of the terpenes you do not want.
I bet I might see the first results by years end with any luck, or soon after, it will take a while for 140 single plants for all 140 of the terpenes, but I think it can be done, as I had always hoped it could be. We do believe that with the right tools maybe it could be a break through, time will tell.
The results will revolutionize Cannabis, either this work will or others later doing the similar. There are varieties which are today pretty close to some peoples desired perfection for some end goals, but I bet if you tweeked the terpene levels a bit higher of the most desired terpenes in these varieties, and altered the ratios to what was considered the best of the best, and removed any terpenes you don't want, it would be preferred by "that smoker". I understand many smokers will have different preferences in tastes, smells and effects, but I bet they fall in to effect arch-types or combos, like Up, Clear, Cerebral, Speedy, Euphoric, Psychedelic, Ceiling-less or some of the others like Narcotic, Physical, Couchlock. The combos with THC will create every different effect you have had in Cannabis and liked. The same with many medical uses.
The future is clear I hope I can be part of it.
Well, back to studying and understanding the different terpenes, it is much more complicated then just the 80 Cannabinoids, some of which we did already create single Cannabinoid varieties of, but now we are on the path to single terpene+THC varieties.
-SamS

 

[oldchuck]

Anther and pollen DH breeding, reverse breeding, SSR, ISSR, AFLP, PRC, SCAR marker assisted breeding, artificial seeds, In-vitro, genome mapping, tilling, and techniques that controls/converts the process of meiosis and/or mitosis in the mutant will all make using clones as old fashioned as Tom seemingly considers seeds for breeding. Cannabis breeding is in a state of flux in the last 50 years and the over next 100 years will continue to be so relying more and more on molecular biology.


From Sacred Seeds to this ????

I tought Cannabis was sacred.......

I guess Money is even more sacred.

Shame....

No, Harry, please let me explain.

I have been smoking weed for nearly 50 years. Only recently have I discovered the extraordinary medicinal benefits of Cannabis. I suspect this is also true for a lot of doctors and researchers. The promise is there but the specifics are lacking. We must understand this plant much better in order to reap the optimal medical benefits. There is more than money involved. People's lives are at stake. My life is at stake. We need to understand what metabolically interacts with what to cause something to happen. A scientist needs to pick that all apart and then put it back together again.

Holistically, grow your weed, smoke your great product and have a good time but serious people need serious research.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Anther and pollen DH breeding, reverse breeding, SSR, ISSR, AFLP, PRC, SCAR marker assisted breeding, artificial seeds, In-vitro, genome mapping, tilling, and techniques that controls/converts the process of meiosis and/or mitosis in the mutant will all make using clones as old fashioned as Tom seemingly considers seeds for breeding. Cannabis breeding is in a state of flux in the last 50 years and the over next 100 years will continue to be so relying more and more on molecular biology.


From Sacred Seeds to this ????

I tought Cannabis was sacred.......

I guess Money is even more sacred.

Shame....

First of all much of this can be done without GM, I have never worked with GM, much of this can be used to assist classic breeding, but I agree that the future will bring changes.
Money is not sacred to me, I am all but retired, but I do like to keep my fingers in the pie. If you think this is about money you need to wise up, it is not, not even 1%. Are you are viewing the situation through your own values, why maybe you would be doing this?
Cannabis is still sacred to me, shame you can't even see that....
It is not just Cannabis, it is every economically important plant on earth that will have molecular biology look closer, remember genome mapping and marker assisted breeding does not require GM. It can help classical breeders also.

-SamS

 

[harry74]

You are not trying to understand nature, you are trying to dominate nature.

Always same old story, not just with cannabis.

But if you believe in those ways, go ahead, is not me who is going to tell anyone what he has to do.
But you know it´s funny; when you were quasi underground you were able to breed Skunk#1 single handedly.
And now that you have acces to lab test, better conditions to work, I don´t know really what you have achieved, may it is just that you keep it for yourself.

Anyway if as you say, big changes are coming or whatever, I´m sure you will be able to shut up my bloody mounth in the near future...
will see

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You are not trying to understand nature, you are trying to dominate nature.

Always same old story, not just with cannabis.

But if you believe in those ways, go ahead, is not me who is going to tell anyone what he has to do.
But you know it´s funny; when you were quasi underground you were able to breed Skunk#1 single handedly.
And now that you have acces to lab test, better conditions to work, I don´t know really what you have achieved, may it is just that you keep it for yourself.

Anyway if as you say, big changes are coming or whatever, I´m sure you will be able to shut up my bloody mounth in the near future...
will see

Funny from some one that dominates nature, supports grinding up nature and making cardboard out of them and then as the King of Cardboard dominates all the cardboard.
I say free the cardboard, free all the sources of pulp, and go back to wrapping goods in anaimal skins like our forefathers, Oh, I forgot about all the animals that had their skins removed, well just don't dominate them as you skin them....
Me, I do want to understand Cannabis, and use the understanding to create new Cannabis varieties, I guess if I find a way to understand Cannabis so well I can use just classical breeding to create resin heads the size of small peas or grapes you would have no interest?
Give me a break, you will be first in line for the jumbo resin head variety "Beach Ball Mama" if the resin appeals to your likes with smell, taste and effects? Or am I wrong? You do not want to pick a single resin head to fill your pipe? No more hash making, just smoking.....
-SamS

 

[harry74]

Ok I´ll give you a break.

No need to say your non-arguments are poor, really poor.
Remember to say a Mantra before you spray your plants with chemicals....

I´m going to pick up muswhroom...enjoy

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Ok I´ll give you a break.

No need to say your non-arguments are poor, really poor.
Remember to say a Mantra before you spray your plants with chemicals....

I´m going to pick up muswhroom...enjoy

I have been an bio-dynamic french intensive organic grower for more then 40 years, I learned organic farming at the Alan Chadwick garden in UC Santa Cruz. I do not need or say Mantras as I have never sprayed my plants with Chemicals ever unless it was just for some kind of an experiment, and not for consumption. I only use bio-controls like insect predators, not poisons. I only use organic fertilizers, I have never grown hydro, or with chemical fertilizers, or under lights, can you say the same? Or is the money more sacred or important then just using nature to grow natural organic Cannabis?
And what about your "TCB" was that just an attempt to understand or as I thought, to dominate the pollen so you could use it anyway "you" thought best? I say free all Cannabis pollen now.
I know my non-arguments are pretty poor but as your statements are so off base it is hard for me to respond seriously or even take you seriously.
Maybe next time think a little bit about what you are trying to say and who the person is and what he stands for before you say such nonsense as that I am going to be spraying my plants with chemicals.
You have zero idea of what you are speaking about me.
Maybe back to Basic Genetics?

-SamS

 

[dannykarey]

The next step in breeding is gonna be done genetically.........as in GMO.

Pollen and anther breeding takes too long and is extremely inefficient.......GMO is the way to go.

Danny

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

The next step in breeding is gonna be done genetically.........as in GMO.

Pollen and anther breeding takes too long and is extremely inefficient.......GMO is the way to go.

Danny

Have you ever seen or smoked a GMO Cannabis product?
Why not?, I heard it is the way to go.....
Maybe there are even faster ways then pollen and anther DH breeding?
Maybe....
-SamS

 

[charlie garcia]

We have been fighting long for the medical benefits of the plant we believed in and thus freedom to grow and consumption as well for ourselves. Now that science its getting bit closer to understand reasons of this asumed benefits, would sound really hipocrital to blame against science and medical research... but if future means everything goes legal, grow your own or GM cannabis and not only one option
thx for nice info
kaiki

 

[dannykarey]

........Not yet Sam, but it's coming. I know it is...............

Danny

 

[Betterhaff]

Cannabis breeding is in a state of flux in the last 50 years and the over next 100 years will continue to be so relying more and more on molecular biology.

Legal medicinal plant breeding

The top of the box has been opened slightly, it will be interesting if it totally comes off.

 

[ozza]

you just have to use the search option.

If you used the search engine for basic genetics, it would bring up this ego inflated thread. Maybe the title should be changed. Am I stupid for going to a thread called Basic Genetics Explained and expecting a basic explanation of genetics?

Don't patronize me either. Really, You can find information in books? No shit! Well I'll be a ................

Really makes me wonder what pretentious people there will be in the future.

 

[ozza]

, some of which we did already create single Cannabinoid varieties of, but now we are on the path to single terpene+THC varieties.
-SamS

What single cannabinoid strain has been created?

 

[Only Ornamental]

If you used the search engine for basic genetics, it would bring up this ego inflated thread. Maybe the title should be changed. Am I stupid for going to a thread called Basic Genetics Explained and expecting a basic explanation of genetics?

Don't patronize me either. Really, You can find information in books? No shit! Well I'll be a ................

Really makes me wonder what pretentious people there will be in the future.

Who said anything about stupid? What DO you expect when reading about 20 pages of a thread called 'basic genetics explained'? You could have read only the first post and then realise (because you read a book) that it was kinda crappy and not really a good start for a post called 'basic genetics explained'...
I'm here voluntarily and I can do or leave whatever I want as long as it's according to the TOU. You got a problem with what I write? Call a mod if it's offensive, otherwise overlook it or add me to your ignore list .

Patronise you? If you expect me to chew the basics of genetics for you how could it be patronising of me when I'm simply pointing you in the right direction so that you could figure it out by yourself? That way, you'd really learn something and could profit from the advanced themes discussed (which BTW are harder to find in books and where for example fora come into play).

I think titles can't be changed in a useful way. And there are worse titles... like those written in l33t.
Hence, if the 'search title' doesn't spit out what you want, try different words or use the 'advanced search' .

And yes, even in these modern days where you can find nearly everything on the internet, books are still useful (also for reading).

 

[VerdantGreen]

I have been an bio-dynamic french intensive organic grower for more then 40 years, I learned organic farming at the Alan Chadwick garden in UC Santa Cruz. I do not need or say Mantras as I have never sprayed my plants with Chemicals ever unless it was just for some kind of an experiment, and not for consumption. I only use bio-controls like insect predators, not poisons. I only use organic fertilizers, I have never grown hydro, or with chemical fertilizers, or under lights, can you say the same? Or is the money more sacred or important then just using nature to grow natural organic Cannabis?
........
-SamS

Sam, i'm guessing you probably grow most of your plants in the ground... but i was wondering if you had a tried and tested organic potting mix that you were willing to share?
please and thankyou,
VG

 

[Yard dog]

What single cannabinoid strain has been created?

Bd/Bd, Bt/Bt etc... look up Ettiene de Meijer, or simply browse the GW pharma website

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

If you used the search engine for basic genetics, it would bring up this ego inflated thread. Maybe the title should be changed. Am I stupid for going to a thread called Basic Genetics Explained and expecting a basic explanation of genetics?

Don't patronize me either. Really, You can find information in books? No shit! Well I'll be a ................

Really makes me wonder what pretentious people there will be in the future.

I think you are mixing up all the people posting in this thread now with the OP Padre CH, his thread was not really followed through by him and others co-opted this thread. If you want Basic Genetics Info do a search or start your own thread with the questions you want answered, but don't think I or anyone here owes you a Basic Genetics class, just ask questions nice and I would not be surprised if you got answers, and it might be interesting to see the answers and rebuttals, try it, be creative instead of what ever you were.
-SamS

 

[harry74]

I have been an bio-dynamic french intensive organic grower for more then 40 years, I learned organic farming at the Alan Chadwick garden in UC Santa Cruz. I do not need or say Mantras as I have never sprayed my plants with Chemicals ever unless it was just for some kind of an experiment, and not for consumption. I only use bio-controls like insect predators, not poisons. I only use organic fertilizers, I have never grown hydro, or with chemical fertilizers, or under lights, can you say the same? Or is the money more sacred or important then just using nature to grow natural organic Cannabis?
And what about your "TCB" was that just an attempt to understand or as I thought, to dominate the pollen so you could use it anyway "you" thought best? I say free all Cannabis pollen now.
I know my non-arguments are pretty poor but as your statements are so off base it is hard for me to respond seriously or even take you seriously.
Maybe next time think a little bit about what you are trying to say and who the person is and what he stands for before you say such nonsense as that I am going to be spraying my plants with chemicals.
You have zero idea of what you are speaking about me.
Maybe back to Basic Genetics?

-SamS

You keep avoiding the real questions and talking me down...

I have seen this many times since 2005 that I started reading
ICMAG.

Did you know what was DYSGENIC before I posted that Word?

Don´t worry,I´m not posting again in any Thread were you are taking part, it´s a waste of time.
Keep talking with your fanboys that are like Parrots just repeating what you say Sam says... Sam this.... Sam that.....

Sorry I´ve got a basket full of Chantarellus Cibarius to clean.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

You keep avoiding the real questions and talking me down...

Actually you first accused me of spraying my plants amongst other things.

I have seen this many times since 2005 that I started reading
ICMAG.

Did you know what was DYSGENIC before I posted that Word?

No I don't use it, but I selfed single lines with STS that I have selfed a single plant each generation to S5 and so I would have an idea what accumulations of bad genes were or inbreeding depression, next time just ask me, but this is not my thread I will answer if I want.

Don´t worry,I´m not posting again in any Thread were you are taking part, it´s a waste of time.

Sorry I can't make all the people happy all the time, such is life.

Keep talking with your fanboys that are like Parrots just repeating what you say Sam says... Sam this.... Sam that.....

Sorry I´ve got a basket full of Chantarellus Cibarius to clean.

I think you have a good idea, try and stick to it.
I like Cantharellus californicus named by my friend and teacher David Arora, they can weigh more then 1 kilo. I used to pick them outside my back door, as many kilos as I want every day during season.
-SamS