Autoflowering lines based on Auto Zamaldelica

[bonghopper]

Hi Maria Sanchez,
thank you for your comment.
I'm more and more happy this F1 grow works like. The line (PZam x A5) x GT 80 has hardly shown any ruderalis characteristics in the 8 plants I have seen so far. The three selected here were the ones with the longest pistils in the early flowering stage, which reminded me of the PZam-dominant mother. I could not assign the only male plant in this regard. But habitually, everything was quite sativa-dominant with long inflorescences. I have not had such a clear sativa dominance in any of my autoflowering lines so far.

Great progress, look forward to your smoke tests

 

[paisajedehierba]

Great progress, look forward to your smoke tests

Hi Bonghopper,
so far I´ve only tested buds of the Puprle Zamal dom plant. The other two are still flowering (getting close). Very strange ... 24 weeks. The early smoke tests are promising stimulating, energetic with a denser finish. Duration round about 2 hours. Little to no hang over next morning. Curing time!

 

[bonghopper]

Hi Bonghopper,
so far I´ve only tested buds of the Puprle Zamal dom plant. The other two are still flowering (getting close). Very strange ... 24 weeks. The early smoke tests are promising stimulating, energetic with a denser finish. Duration round about 2 hours. Little to no hang over next morning. Curing time!

24 weeks is impressive! Effect sounds great

 

[dilettante]

Did anyone do a Bangi Haze x Auto Zamaldelica cross? How did it turn out?

 

[paisajedehierba]

Hi dilettante, I don´t know any one growing Bangi Haze x Auto Zam. You should try it.

 

[paisajedehierba]

Currently I´m pushing forward the "automation" of a Kali China-dominant line. Based on their growth and health, I chose 5 of the original 11 plants F1 plants (KC x (KC x (AZam x GT3)) ... better KC75. They are on day 22 after producing the first pistils. Of these 5 plants, only one male has emerged. I had expected 2 or 3 males. All 4 female plants are very resinous, typical for KC. 3 plants have developed the typical fruity-spicy smell of KC in the early flowering phase. One plant hardly develops any smells (plant 2). 3 of 4 plants show a rather tall growth (including the weakly smelling one) with medium to long internodes (for an indica-dominant plant). The other plants in the tent are 1x Malawi (fem.), 1x Zam x KC and a poinsettia (Euphoriba pulcherina). Poinsettia can produce red flowers when the daylight length is short. bracts develop.

 

[dilettante]

Hi dilettante, I don´t know any one growing Bangi Haze x Auto Zam. You should try it.

I'm on it. I'm waiting for the f1 seeds to mature. I had a few clones on hand and wanted to see if the pollen was viable.

 

[paisajedehierba]

Out of originally a total of 25 seedlings (seeds soaked between 2024-11-25 and 2024-11-28), in 2l pots for deep rooting plants, with 18 hours of light and 6 hours of darkness, here are:
• 1x (F3 auto) GT80 (Golden Tiger 80%),
• 10x (F2 every 4th plant auto) ZamTigerHaze ZTH ((PZamxA5)xGT80(F2auto)) and
• 7x (F1 not auto) MExGT80 ((Mauritius x Ethiopian) x GT80 (F2 auto)).
and 1x Afghan Lemon.
Goals:
GT80 (F3 auto) and Afghan Lemon are supposed to fill my jars.

ZTH is expected to produce seeds in an F2xF1 generation, with an average of every 2nd plant flowering automatically. Selection in direction of sweet-smelling hazey plants, with purple colours on ripe flowers. I hope to find 2 autoflowering girls out of 8 plants. The ZTH-F1-mother had purple flowers. The smoke is stimulating, slightly energetic at first, later more introspectiv and dreamy, next morning you need more time to stand up.

MExGT80 is said to produce an F2 generation of seeds, with an average of every 4th plant flowering automatically. The selection direction is lanky, long-flowering with airy voluminous flowers with a good flower/leaf ratio. I am loving the ME smoke with clean uplifting and very active effects.

As soon as the non-automatic flowering ZTH males have donated pollen under 11/13 (light/dark) in the second, larger tent, the 7 MExGT80 plants are placed in the second tent, after which they have stayed under 18/6 with the auto-flowering plants in the first tent.

This is a bit complicated and raises the question of why I don't take one line after the other a generation further.

 

[Maria Sanchez]

All the best for this new round.
Hope the F2 plants give you more than just 2 or 3 autos!

 

[bonghopper]

Out of originally a total of 25 seedlings (seeds soaked between 2024-11-25 and 2024-11-28), in 2l pots for deep rooting plants, with 18 hours of light and 6 hours of darkness, here are:
• 1x (F3 auto) GT80 (Golden Tiger 80%),
• 10x (F2 every 4th plant auto) ZamTigerHaze ZTH ((PZamxA5)xGT80(F2auto)) and
• 7x (F1 not auto) MExGT80 ((Mauritius x Ethiopian) x GT80 (F2 auto)).
and 1x Afghan Lemon.
Goals:
GT80 (F3 auto) and Afghan Lemon are supposed to fill my jars.

ZTH is expected to produce seeds in an F2xF1 generation, with an average of every 2nd plant flowering automatically. Selection in direction of sweet-smelling hazey plants, with purple colours on ripe flowers. I hope to find 2 autoflowering girls out of 8 plants. The ZTH-F1-mother had purple flowers. The smoke is stimulating, slightly energetic at first, later more introspectiv and dreamy, next morning you need more time to stand up.

MExGT80 is said to produce an F2 generation of seeds, with an average of every 4th plant flowering automatically. The selection direction is lanky, long-flowering with airy voluminous flowers with a good flower/leaf ratio. I am loving the ME smoke with clean uplifting and very active effects.

As soon as the non-automatic flowering ZTH males have donated pollen under 11/13 (light/dark) in the second, larger tent, the 7 MExGT80 plants are placed in the second tent, after which they have stayed under 18/6 with the auto-flowering plants in the first tent.

This is a bit complicated and raises the question of why I don't take one line after the other a generation further.

You sure are getting into those, great work! The ME sounds great, your cross or seeds you bought? So.. tell us more?

 

[AcrylicGoblin]

I'm happy to see that this project is still moving along. I'm doing some similar stuff and am planning to start a journal in a few months. Thanks for all of your documentation, I've enjoyed reading it.

 

[paisajedehierba]

Hello dear weed growers, I am very pleased about your interest in my attempts to develop autoflowering lines with little space and only a few individuals per line. I hope the cultivation considerations that I write down here are not too dry or absurd for you.

The ZTH line has only produced one (presumably) autoflowering female. It is a healthy plant that is willing to branch. Since Purple Zamal is also involved and the F1 generation was already round about 50% semi-autoflowering, it is difficult to find the ones that actually flower automatically. You have to observe them for a longer time to see whether they remain in a kind of pre-flowering stage under 18/6 or whether they really start to flower at some point.

I am not happy with the males. One male shows deformations on the leaves even when reaching flowering phase. The second male is not well supplied with nutrients, which makes me think that the roots have developed less well than all the other plants. Neither of these are good conditions for promoting an auto-flowering line with a few individuals.
Since I´ve decided to prioritize MExGT80, there is no room in tent two with the 12/12 regime to look for photoperiod ZTH-males. So I will probably only pollinate individual female ZTH inflorescences and produce some fully automatic offspring with possibly 50% not "fit". A new round of exclusively healthy ZTH-F2 plants could then be crossed (F3-F2).

Next post will show the progress on ME x GT80 (F1 not auto).

 

[paisajedehierba]

Hello everyone,
here is a quick look at the MExGT80 F1 ((Mauritius x Ethiopian) x (Golden Tiger 80% F2 auto)) development. On 2025-01-01 the first male preflowers and female pistils could be seen (flowering day 1). On 2025-01-17 the female target plants were repotted from 2l to 11l. One fast and one slower flowering male have remained in 2l pots. That was too late overall. The plants showed yellowing, which led to slightly increased fertilization and subsequently burnt leaf tips. Now the three target females are sprouting deeper green again.

I cut off the flower shoots of the slower male, placed them in a glass of water on the windowsill, let them throw pollen for a few days and collected it on paper. This morning I pollinated individual flowers with the brush. The slower male still has no open flowers and and continues to grow in the tent. Yesterday I have fertilized him carefully. The "shoes" have become much too small in the meantime.

There are still about 70-80cm of growth height left until the LED lamp. Since I expect 12-14 weeks of flowering at first and do not yet know the stretch properties of the line, I will probably cut back the three girls in between. The Mauritius x Ethiopian mother plant has responded great to pruning. All in all, on flowering day 24, it can be said that about 1/4 of the flowering period is over, unless the slow-flowering ones turn out to be very long-bloomers leaning towards the Mauritius side ... longer flowering period could also come from the Thai side (in GT80).

 

[Stone Locust]

Very cool, I love your thread.

I read that GT80 stands for GT 2 x (Auto Zam x GT 3).

So if we say that (roughly) Auto Zam is 75% sativa,
then Auto Zam x GT 3 is 87.5% sativa
and GT 2 x (Auto Zam x GT 3) alias "GT 80" is 93.75% sativa

Which is already impressive if you can get that line stable autoflowering in further generations I would say.

I kind of wish there wasn't a Northern Lights present in the original cross so you wouldn't have to breed out an "unclean high".

 

[paisajedehierba]

Thank you for your input Stone Locust, I look forward to exchanging ideas. GT80 seems already to flower automatically and stably in the F3 generation (4 popped F3 seeds, 4x autoflowering plants). Golden Tiger 80% does indeed contain Norther Lights genes. In Auto Zam, this was very nice on some occasions, first an energy kick, then dreamy, slightly psychedelic and also physically slightly relaxed waters. With GT80, the sativa content has indeed increased to around 94%, but the high from the phenotypes that I have harvested so far is not particularly "clean". This could be due to the "NL residues" or the almost 50% Malawi content in the genetic cocktail. Thai-dominant GT2 flowers for me also leave a bit of a dull feeling at the end after all the crazy energy at the beginning. That's why I'm looking forward to the results of ME x GT80. The concept behind this line is somewhat copied from Zamaldelica... a clean "African" energetic psychedelic base with moderate landrace THC content crossed with a Golden Tiger dominant hybrid (higher THC content, voluminous flowers, more resinous. Sativa content of genetic cocktale approx. 97%. Maybe I'll find phenos here with a decidedly clean energetic up high. I'm willing to continue crossing "clean sativas" until I find something that is roughly comparable to 100% sativas. Mauritius x Ethiopian would be a good reference in terms of the quality of the high which I hope to find or get close to from an autoflowering plant.

 

[paisajedehierba]

ME x GT80 (F1 not auto flowering) ((Mauritius x Ethiopian) x auto Golden Tiger 80%
week 6 since first pistils, 13,25 h dark and 10,75 h light since one week. Pictures taken today.
Pheno 1 (on the right in tent) Mauritius x Ethiopian leaning, very airy buds and slow flowering, lanky appearance, very light scent of hops and lemon. Low to no resin production up to date. Pheno 2 is intermediate one between GT80 and Mauritius x Ethiopian, slightly more on the Mauritius Ethiopian side regarding branching, size and smells, slighthly faster flowering. Pheno 3 (on the left) GT80 leaning, early flowering stretch already over, fastest flowering, more voluminous buds, less branchy, a bit stronger musky, oily, hops scent because of already significant resin production.

 

[paisajedehierba]

(Mauritius x Ethiopian) x autoflowering GT80_F1 grow
Beginning of the 11th week after the first pistils. The faster-flowering, resinous phenotype was harvested at the end of the 9th week. The flower-to-leaf ratio had ultimately shifted very much in the indica direction. The remaining plants are hungry ... more than anticipated. I counter slight N deficiency with HESI flowering complex. So no more purely organic cultivation. The large leaves tend to yellow, but the flowers remain deeper green. The resin development is good for this type of plant. The flavours range from slightly citrusy to musk to hops. The large plant smells a little more intense. I have already harvested more than enough F2 seeds from both plants to find autoflowering males and females next cycle. An outdoor test cultivation in summer is secured. Pictures taken this morning

 

[paisajedehierba]

(Mauritius x Ethiopian) x (auto Golden Tiger 80%) MExGT80
End of week 13 since first pistils. The larger girl on the right side still has month to go. Her buds are a bit larger, less resinous. The other is bit faster ... perhaps 2 weeks to go, and a bit more resinous. I am in love with both. The smells are low to medium strong, citrussy, floral, slightly musky. Hops has disappeared.