Autoflower Orgy!

[Flying Goat]

Arctic - Perhaps you misunderstood me. The Pkr will be the CENTER of my research project in its' own right, and also re crossing with WW & other standards to work into a high-CBD pain plant...

I'm working on finding a discrete lab that can analyze samples for me...

 

[arcticsun]

thats great We would be most interested in hearing the results. There may also be other strains that can serve a similar purpose in the future.

I have 15 babies coming up of them (the pehkuruder), not an awful lot, but then again you see what I am dealing with here haha, too many strains. Ill make another pollen toss with them before summer, just to have some more to play with. But Ill probably use the remaining stock of this generation for the securing of the future of the strain and to isolate the tall pheno. Ill also thoroughly test the stability of the strain, make sure it doesnt go all fruity on everyone.

Thanks for the dedication, the effort is most welcome and appreciated, I can assure you that.

 

[arcticsun]

It's not hybrid. It's cross made in finland in late -90s, I think.
It has Skunk#1, Ruderalis, and Parvati-landrace genetics in it.
When I got the seeds, it had HUGE variation in phenotypes and it was not 100% AF. Now It's very stable AF strain.

I just grow older generations of my Solid Bottom-line and there's one interesting phenotype to be found: Very stretchy Parvati type plant that is full autoflowering. It makes awesome hash, if you like charash/chilum combo. I have preferred short and skunky plants for my selections, because it's difficult to hide 2-3 meter high plants...

Sweet. Oh i like hash alrite, nice job isolation the auto pheno. This is a very interesting strain indeed, feel free to toss more pics in here. There will be a while until the budshow starts

peace m8

 

[Kaneh]

Here's couple more Solid Bottoms pics for you Arctic:

Too bad i don't have photos of the Parvati pheno. I haven't been growing that for couple years outdoors because it's too big for my backyard.

 

[Kaneh]

Sweet. Oh i like hash alrite, nice job isolation the auto pheno.

It was just luck! I didn't have a clue what I was doing at that point, I was just pollen chucking and making seeds and suddenly it was full auto! I know now it can be difficult to lock down, you can have that non-auto gene lurking in the backround (recessive) even that you select AFs for breeding...

 

[arcticsun]

wow she is a beauty alrite, huuge girl if she is fully AF.

Ive noticed how AF's grow bigger in nordic conditions, probably the lower temperatures during veg, and the long days have a lot to say in that matter. I think we will have 7foot outdoor scandinavian full autos that will yield +100g/plant in not many years. Doing guerilla outdoor seedruns with plants that yields 20-40g just will not do, so that parvati pheno sounds very interesting to me if it is fully automatic even under 24/0

thanks again for the great information, peace -AS-

 

[blackone]

40 grams of perfect nuggets on the other hand...
I hope you will keep focus on mold resistance and bud quality - especially since you seem to have mold resistance already. It's a lot less work harvesting 40 grams of nice weed... And you can just space smaller plants a little closer for the same yield per area.
20 gram plants might be too much work for most if you have to start them in pots first and transplant to the site but 40 gram plants are a nice size!

 

[UnNatuReal]

... The first FinX has shown hermies in late flowering, so im worried that this may display in the Pehkuruders later on aswell due to I think the same lowryder have been used in this version of the Finx as in the Pehkuruders. ...

Hi,

You have misunderstood something a bit. Same Lowryder males are used in Doubleruder (which is used in Pehkuruder) and in FIN 420, not in FinX. Of course I don't know Addics source for Lowryder to FinX, but surely it is not from same generation than what is on Pehkuruder.

Progeny (LRs, Doubleruders, Pehkuruders etc..) has not shown any hermaphrodite signs on me, only bunch of males what has turned permanently to female, but thats something different than hermaphrodite I think..

(I have heard FIN 420 has also some slight hermaphrodity, but it might come from somewhere else than Lowryder. Tulumi knows better about this cross)

Anyway, interesting great looking project you have here!

 

[blackone]

Hi,

You have misunderstood something a bit. Same Lowryder males are used in Doubleruder (which is used in Pehkuruder) and in FIN 420, not in FinX. Of course I don't know Addics source for Lowryder to FinX, but surely it is not from same generation than what is on Pehkuruder.

Progeny (LRs, Doubleruders, Pehkuruders etc..) has not shown any hermaphrodite signs on me, only bunch of males what has turned permanently to female, but thats something different than hermaphrodite I think..

(I have heard FIN 420 has also some slight hermaphrodity, but it might come from somewhere else than Lowryder. Tulumi knows better about this cross)

Anyway, interesting great looking project you have here!

Males turned completely into females? Sounds a lot to me like female plants showing male flowers first - that's a kind of herm although they might not be serious.

It could be great with an in-depth study of how the various kinds and degrees of hermaphrodism are enoded for by the genes.

 

[arcticsun]

40 grams of perfect nuggets on the other hand...
I hope you will keep focus on mold resistance and bud quality - especially since you seem to have mold resistance already. It's a lot less work harvesting 40 grams of nice weed... And you can just space smaller plants a little closer for the same yield per area.
20 gram plants might be too much work for most if you have to start them in pots first and transplant to the site but 40 gram plants are a nice size!

ill need to carry seedlings out to the spot I think. Getting a yield at all, is more important then getting the most potent yield in these first rounds imo. So ill definately work with cold and mold resistance first of all, and work with potency from there.

Hi,

You have misunderstood something a bit. Same Lowryder males are used in Doubleruder (which is used in Pehkuruder) and in FIN 420, not in FinX. Of course I don't know Addics source for Lowryder to FinX, but surely it is not from same generation than what is on Pehkuruder.

Progeny (LRs, Doubleruders, Pehkuruders etc..) has not shown any hermaphrodite signs on me, only bunch of males what has turned permanently to female, but thats something different than hermaphrodite I think..

(I have heard FIN 420 has also some slight hermaphrodity, but it might come from somewhere else than Lowryder. Tulumi knows better about this cross)

Anyway, interesting great looking project you have here!

Thank you for this information mate, its very reassuring, and vERY valuable to me. So thanks a lot, and thank you also for the pioneer work. Bigupp Finland, yall got true heart over there. Peace bro, ill be looking out for your grows

Males turned completely into females? Sounds a lot to me like female plants showing male flowers first - that's a kind of herm although they might not be serious.

It could be great with an in-depth study of how the various kinds and degrees of hermaphrodism are enoded for by the genes.

Indeed, I find it interesting how a "feminine" male produces female offspring. I think we can work this problem mathematically, im no big math wiz, but if we think of males in terms of + and females in terms of -.


+-= -
++= -
--= +
-+= -

correct? As I said, im no math wiz, on the contrary im a math stooge, so someone slap me with the truth please

 

[Flying Goat]

Lurking... watching... hoping to learn...

 

[blackone]

Indeed, I find it interesting how a "feminine" male produces female offspring. I think we can work this problem mathematically, im no big math wiz, but if we think of males in terms of + and females in terms of -.


+-= -
++= -
--= +
-+= -

correct? As I said, im no math wiz, on the contrary im a math stooge, so someone slap me with the truth please

Well the way it works is that sex is inherited similarly to human x and y chromosomes, so a female (xx) bred to another female would never be able to yield male (xy).
A male bred to a female on the other hand will have a 50% chance of producing either sex.

 

[arcticsun]

you are ofc correct. But how about breeding a male to a male, what outcome will that get? Thanks btw for the answer.

If the femalis is considered the positive in the equation, and not the male, like so; F=+ M=-, does it make sense then?


X(-)Y(+) * XY= ?

..


= -*- = + !


Two males should make a male! Correct?

 

[blackone]

Well if it really does work similar to xy chromosomes then it should be expected that 1/4 would be female(xx), 1/2 would be male (xy) and 1/4 would be YY males if such a thing exists (Obviously this isn't possible in humans because we need the x chromosomes)

If those YY males exist then pollen from them would produce only male offspring but I don't know if they do.

 

[UnNatuReal]

If you think about "sex chromosomes", X and Y. They are just very simplified examples of gene map, being only one part of it all and only about 2% of total genetics will affect to phenotypes while 98% being recessive, if I have understood right..

Then gender also don't come straight from genetics. Genetics and conditions tell what hormones plant generate and that determines sex.

 

[arcticsun]

If you think about "sex chromosomes", X and Y. They are just very simplified examples of gene map, being only one part of it all on and only about 2% of total genetics will affect to phenotypes while 98% being recessive, if I have understood right..

Then gender also don't come straight from genetics. Genetics and conditions tell what hormones plant generate and that determines sex.

Great observation, I have come to the same conclusion that there is more to gender determination then merely XY chromosomes. As nature shows us there is no "true" female and male, only "more" or "less" degrees of gender specification. In certain hive communities only a small % of the genotypes will be reproductive individuals while a large % of the genotypes will have the ability to become both genders upon need.

 

[Bighill]

Didn't sam the sunk man say he has had some females that just wouldn't turn herm on him even with chemical manipulation. I belive he was working the OHaze line.

I don't have much else to add to the convo, but it's interesting non the less.

I'd like a cut of that Ohaze, true breeding stock imo. I give all my hermis the axe. I've seen alot of good cuts go into the bin. However, i feel it is my responsability to only use non hermi plants while breeding.

Bh.

 

[DocLeaf]

Interesting project,, great thread Arcticsun

We were planning on letting some Diesel Ryder F2 and Roadrunner (both autos) mix it together someplace,, purely to see what happens. The seeds are already sown,, so this thread has really inspired us to pursue it further

Keep up the overgrow

 

[Gene-weaver]

Didn't sam the sunk man say he has had some females that just wouldn't turn herm on him even with chemical manipulation. I belive he was working the OHaze line.

I don't have much else to add to the convo, but it's interesting non the less.

I'd like a cut of that Ohaze, true breeding stock imo. I give all my hermis the axe. I've seen alot of good cuts go into the bin. However, i feel it is my responsability to only use non hermi plants while breeding.

Bh.

he told me the total opposite that all plants will indeed turn herm, but sometimes the buds swell so the pods cant open and you have to crack em open yourself.... although being so you say he did indeed say this im puzzled as when i told him i tryed it all to get his uk cheese skunk#1 pheno to herm and it just wont have it... maybe it was this exact same line he was talking about and maybe he didnt want me to know that hmmm

 

[Gene-weaver]

I gave up on asking sam questions as he gives a diffrent answer each time i ask him.
peace